Now that Preseason is done predict our record

I see this as a gritty game with them edging us out.

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that's based on Eli playing every game.

Trying to accurately guess if and when a switch happens and the results after are above my predictive powers

Our defense is still rebuilding and offense will be inconsistent

Bettcher has his guys, albeit young, to accomplish what he did in Az..

Playoffs.

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or 6 - 10.

9-7 with a chance at a wildcard. The offense is going to be able to move the ball and put points on the board. The defense will have its ups and downs, but will be good enough to keep us in games.

Looking forward to this season and seeing how it all plays out.

but he's not reporting to Ariens - I wish he was our head coach.

8-8

Arrow is pointing up... we just don't have the personnel to win 10+ and compete for the division yet.

Everyone should expect this team to be a real contender as soon as 2020, though. We're close.

We need pass rush help and more help at the 2nd level of the defense. A little more line depth on both sides, a true #1 WR. But outside of that stuff, we're not far off.

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The young D will improve as the season progresses, but we still can’t cover a TE or get to the QB. Still won’t be able to get off the field on third down.

By the second game. If Jones then a playoff run with tiny bit of growing pains

same as last year.

Week 1 @ Cowboys L
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs L
Week 4 vs Skins W
Week 5 vs Vikes W
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W
Week 8 @ Lions L
Week 9 vs Cowboys W
Week 10 @ Jets W
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers W
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W
Week 16 @ Skins L
Week 17 vs Eagles W

9-7

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It is all on the D IMO. I hope they don't let Eli down.

I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly...

How do you guys see no improvement here from last year?

We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2...

This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done.

thing is usually pointless but i will say, this schedule is quite favorable. No west coast trips, no 3-4 game stretches against all really good teams, and our travel is pretty awesome throughout.

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Week 1 @ Cowboys W Eli opened Jerrah's World with a win and starts his final season with a win signing the same spot in the locker room.
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W Winston feeds our young defensive secondary with turnovers.
Week 4 vs Skins W Fowers vs. DLaw. Keenum barely lives.
Week 5 vs Vikes W Captain Kirk still sucks.
Week 6 @ Pats L Checkmate by the Chessmaster
Week 7 vs Cards W
Week 8 @ Lions W
Week 9 vs Cowboys L Payback from Week 1.
Week 10 @ Jets W We peel back the curtains after Woody's lame attempt to hide our past glory.
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers W Rodgers overrated.
Week 14 @ Eagles W - Wentz has missed Week 14 the past 2 years. He is still a China Doll and we steal the win from McCown.
Week 15 vs Dolphins W Tua is in their sights. They won't complicate matters with a win.
Week 16 @ Skins W Gruden has been fired. Keenum is on IR. The Sweaty Statue Sux.
Week 17 vs Eagles L. We rest our starters and DJ gets his first start.

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but I think we steal a game we should lose. 9-7.

In comment 14550690 Diver_Down said:

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Week 1 @ Cowboys W Eli opened Jerrah's World with a win and starts his final season with a win signing the same spot in the locker room. Week 2 vs Bills W Week 3 @ Bucs W Winston feeds our young defensive secondary with turnovers. Week 4 vs Skins W Fowers vs. DLaw. Keenum barely lives. Week 5 vs Vikes W Captain Kirk still sucks. Week 6 @ Pats L Checkmate by the Chessmaster Week 7 vs Cards W Week 8 @ Lions W Week 9 vs Cowboys L Payback from Week 1. Week 10 @ Jets W We peel back the curtains after Woody's lame attempt to hide our past glory. Week 11 BYE Week 12 @ Chi L Week 13 vs Packers W Rodgers overrated. Week 14 @ Eagles W - Wentz has missed Week 14 the past 2 years. He is still a China Doll and we steal the win from McCown. Week 15 vs Dolphins W Tua is in their sights. They won't complicate matters with a win. Week 16 @ Skins W Gruden has been fired. Keenum is on IR. The Sweaty Statue Sux. Week 17 vs Eagles L. We rest our starters and DJ gets his first start.

puff puff give Mother fucka!!! I want some of that shit!!!

In comment 14550657 Britt in VA said:

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explain how you got here!

Offensive line is improved.

I choose to believe they will be good and not miserable.

In comment 14550702 Britt in VA said:

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I choose to believe they will be good and not miserable.

I see 8-8 as good. Especially from where we were two years ago.

is going to exceed expectations. I think our offense is going to be explosive this year. If our defense can be just average, we're going to surprise, I think.

Shurmur took over a 3-13 team with a brutal locker room. 5-11 last year. Anything 8 wins or over would be awesome in my opinion, with the notion that we are building for sustained success and a serious playoff contending team in 2020 with our cap space and DJ.

3-3 in NFC East, split with each team

7-3 against the rest, losses to Pats, Bears and one other of Bucs, Lions, Vikes (probably Vikes)

I think Giants are one of the teams that sneaks up on people this year

In comment 14550687 arcarsenal said:

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I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly... How do you guys see no improvement here from last year? We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2... This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done.

OL depth is paper thin, plus people overrate the starters. Solder, if he plays like last year, is a liability and OC is even for the optimists, largely unknown.

WR depth is paper thin, and not very good

Pass rush is suspect

S position is questionable going from Collins to 36 year old Bethea

LB is still a weak unit

And Eli. Not going into this one, but I don't consider him a positive at this point.

the team improved, but I don't think they're a contender this year, and in the NFL it's a game of inches, 8 - 8 can be 5 - 11 with a few bad bounces and my prediction is the Giants will get those bad bounces.

I'd love to be proven wrong, but even optimistically I think 8 - 8 is best case

The Defense looks bad.

8-8

2nd year in the system for a bunch of guys and a sturdy o-line from the get go. The offense is much closer to the unit the back half of the season last year, not the first. The secondary isn't a joke this year -- that alone is worth an extra win. I expect Love and Ballentine to notch 10+ starts each.

The passing game is going to struggle. Shepard has never had to be the guy over 16 games, a lot rides on his and Engram's ability to draw out the extra defenders from the box.

I expect to see a defenses spy Barkley like a QB with a safety and force the Giants to beat them deeper.

The linebackers need to help out much more in coverage. The safeties last year were picking up a lot of slack. Peppers can't patrol the tight end area of the field on his own. I expect to see that as a big vulnerability.

predicting W/Ls by game.
We all should know by now that the NFL is a week by week affair. Injuries have major impacts on the games each week. No one has any idea what the situation will be 9 weeks from now.

In comment 14550716 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14550687 arcarsenal said: Quote: I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly... How do you guys see no improvement here from last year? We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2... This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done. OL depth is paper thin, plus people overrate the starters. Solder, if he plays like last year, is a liability and OC is even for the optimists, largely unknown. WR depth is paper thin, and not very good Pass rush is suspect S position is questionable going from Collins to 36 year old Bethea LB is still a weak unit And Eli. Not going into this one, but I don't consider him a positive at this point. the team improved, but I don't think they're a contender this year, and in the NFL it's a game of inches, 8 - 8 can be 5 - 11 with a few bad bounces and my prediction is the Giants will get those bad bounces. I'd love to be proven wrong, but even optimistically I think 8 - 8 is best case

We didn't even have 5 good offensive line starters last year, though. the secondary this year has a lot more than it had a year ago. I don't believe we've taken much of a step back @ either safety spot either (if any).

Eli might not be a 'positive' but is he a negative? He actually played fairly well last year. He didn't carry the team or win us games, but he certainly wasn't bad. And unlike last year, we actually have what appears to be a viable alternative should he falter.

LB is still weak - but it's certainly no worse than last year. I'd like to think we could see at least slight improvement there.

If we are no better this year than last year, I'll be very surprised - something will have to have gone fairly awry - like losing Barkley for me to see only 5 wins here.

I said very clearly that I don't think this is a contender. But 5 wins seems low and very pessimistic to me.

I think the Giants have a 9 win ceiling this year (this is like... minimal injuries, a few lucky bounces and things generally going our way)

So, I think 8 is realistic.

7 wouldn't surprise me.

But 6 wins or fewer, that would... I think this team is and should be better than that. We do not have a difficult schedule. No reason we shouldn't be better this year.

Next year is our year, but we'll play competitive football this year.

and the idea he’s for real, 10-6.

With Eli, 7-9.

But it could go either way a positive 7-9 or a disaster 3-13. Hard to get a true read..but Defense likely to be a major let down as season goes on

But would bet 6-10
7-9 maybe

Linebackers lead concerns about defense
Lots of hopes
But Hope is not a strategy

In comment 14550687 arcarsenal said:

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I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly... How do you guys see no improvement here from last year? We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2... This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done.

Even if they were all complete assholes, a lot of talent walked out the door.

And jones isn't going to help us win games this year.

Predicting a poor year this year doesn't necessarily equate with the sentiment that the team isn't building towards something better.

Fuck it. Shoving the chips into the middle of the table.

* Barkley is going to be unstoppable
* The receivers, let by Engram, are going to do enough
* The defense will give up points but also create enough turnovers
* Cream puff schedule
* Eli will be fine, one last time

...Unless Bettcher is leaving a lot of tools in the bag, I see our DBs getting carved up and no pass rush. Really concerning.

So I see 6-10 with the Giants 3-6 before the Jets game. I can see Jones starting for that one, let him play against a lousy team for his first win.

In comment 14550762 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14550687 arcarsenal said: Quote: I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly... How do you guys see no improvement here from last year? We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2... This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done. Even if they were all complete assholes, a lot of talent walked out the door. And jones isn't going to help us win games this year. Predicting a poor year this year doesn't necessarily equate with the sentiment that the team isn't building towards something better.

Eh.. how much talent really walked out the door?

The Giants have been really bad for the majority of the last 6-7 years... did we really have a whole lot of talent to let walk away in the first place?

Beckham is gone... our WR group no longer has that top flight WR1 - but it's not like Tate and Shepard are bad players. Maybe Slayton can help.

I really don't think we're any weaker @ safety without Collins. I'd much rather have Peppers and Bethea than Collins and Riley.

BW Webb started 13 games opposite Jenkins last year. Don't you think the CB depth is markedly better now and restocked with young talent?

Isn't the OL better now?

Isn't the defensive line better now with the addition of Lawrence?

Where are we notably weaker now because of talent that left? I don't really see many arguments for that other than WR - and Beckham might just be addition by subtraction at this point. It's been nice to have this entire summer be about football and nothing else.

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Get the legit start to take the helm. Could be a good transition or a nightmare..the main theme of 2019

In comment 14550687 arcarsenal said:

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I'm baffled by the 5 win predictions, quite honestly... How do you guys see no improvement here from last year? We also don't have a difficult schedule. There are a lot of winnable games. We play Miami, Arizona, Detroit, Washington x2... This probably isn't a playoff team, but I'm just not understanding how people who follow this team can feel like this team won't be any better than last years' when you consider that we've upgraded the OL, have a lot of young talent working in, and also have what looks to be a very viable solution @ QB should Eli struggle or not be able to get the job done.

38 year old Eli behind a line that I think some people are overrating here, with no legit number one receiver (and barring injury Eli will play until the Giants are out of playoff contention). A new secondary that will take time to gel. Questions about the pass rush. A head coach who has not exceeded 6-10 in three seasons. We traded away our best receiving threat. Will Barkley leap forward or have a sophomore slump? I would love to see this team exceed expectations but I don’t see it happening.

Defense will improve as the year goes on, but they're at least a year away from being good. Pass rush and linebacker coverage over the middle is lacking.

In comment 14550778 Britt in VA said:

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They went 1-3 with the one win coming against mark sanchez

O might have played better but the def was atrocious.

All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.

They didn't seem to miss him that much.... they looked like a more cohesive unit down the stretch and they put points on the board for the most part.

I really don't think we'll miss Beckham all that much, and I don't feel like a whole lot of talent left here. More entered than departed if you ask me...

Culture also matters. And there seems to be a very major difference in that department. All of these guys keep stressing the "team" aspect and you can even see in preseason that they all have eachother's backs.

It was cool to see Tate run out there and try to get Simonson the ball he caught for the TD when he was getting carted off.

It just seems like a much more cohesive team with the common goal of "TEAM" which I hadn't seen from these guys in recent years.