Be realistic and take off the uber fan glasses.
Week 1 @ Cowboys W No Zeke.
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W Oline is a mess.
Week 5 vs Vikes L Minn def will show up and too many weapons
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W.
Week 8 @ Lions L
Week 9 vs Cowboys L Zeke back
Week 10 @ Jets W Jets still not good
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers L
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W Worst team in Football
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L
I put us as 8-8. We could easily come out sluggish vs the boys and be 7-9. 8-8 is respectable while it wont net us the playoffs we have a change until the end. Look for Eli to play the whole season and DJ to start next year.
Eli I love you, but if you don't pull off a miracle playoff season including a post season win it's time to turn the page.
Lions
Miami
Buffalo
Arizona
TB
Jets
These are probably the 8 easiest games on schedule. If the Giants want to be contenders for the playoffs, they need to win 5 of them.
Eagles 2x
Dallas 2x
Obviously the two best teams in the division. A split has to happen, because the next 4 can be rough.
NE
Minny
GB
Chicago
At NE, at Chicago are going to be absolutely brutal. Minny is more talented than us and GB has Rodgers who can pick us apart.
I dont see many wins there, so its tough to see us getting to 10. 8-8 is probably the best course.
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It’s not all about obj.
We have to play defense as well
Snacks, Collins and Vernon are talented guys.
Hey, I hope we can overcome a talent deficit with team work as well. But it seems like few teams other than the patriots pull that off.
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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.
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It’s not all about obj.
We have to play defense as well
Snacks, Collins and Vernon are talented guys.
Hey, I hope we can overcome a talent deficit with team work as well. But it seems like few teams other than the patriots pull that off.
I understand that - but when it comes to Beckham, he only impacts one side of the ball one way or another. Regardless of him being here or not - the defense is totally independent of that.
I feel we've replaced Snacks with a younger, more versatile player in Lawrence who can play both NT and DE. Snacks is strictly a 2-down run stuffer. Our front now is cheaper and has more upside.
And yes, Collins is gone - but again - wouldn't you prefer Bethea/Peppers to Collins/Riley? I would. Peppers can actually cover. He's more versatile than Collins and Bethea is a pro's pro. Similar to what Deon Grant was when he was here.
I think the secondary as a whole is certainly better this year - or should be.
Vernon... yeah, we lost him, but the tradeoff was a massive upgrade @ RG. So, it wasn't just a one-sided scenario where a good player left and nothing good came back. It's not like he was great here anyway. He was overpaid and not worth the cap space when all was said and done. Good player who was being paid like a great one.
I agree we don't have the collective talent to win 10+ games or compete for a championship quite well - but I'm not sure we lost more talent than we brought in. In fact, I think the inverse is true.
They didn't seem to miss him that much.... they looked like a more cohesive unit down the stretch and they put points on the board for the most part.
I really don't think we'll miss Beckham all that much, and I don't feel like a whole lot of talent left here. More entered than departed if you ask me...
Culture also matters. And there seems to be a very major difference in that department. All of these guys keep stressing the "team" aspect and you can even see in preseason that they all have eachother's backs.
It was cool to see Tate run out there and try to get Simonson the ball he caught for the TD when he was getting carted off.
It just seems like a much more cohesive team with the common goal of "TEAM" which I hadn't seen from these guys in recent years.
It’s just sad at this point.
Honestly don't care about the record, they aren't making the playoffs, just want Jones to get some experience.
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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.
They didn't seem to miss him that much.... they looked like a more cohesive unit down the stretch and they put points on the board for the most part.
I really don't think we'll miss Beckham all that much, and I don't feel like a whole lot of talent left here. More entered than departed if you ask me...
Culture also matters. And there seems to be a very major difference in that department. All of these guys keep stressing the "team" aspect and you can even see in preseason that they all have eachother's backs.
It was cool to see Tate run out there and try to get Simonson the ball he caught for the TD when he was getting carted off.
It just seems like a much more cohesive team with the common goal of "TEAM" which I hadn't seen from these guys in recent years.
they beat up on a redskins team that led the league in players on IR led by mr butt fumble. They were then shut out by the Titans. Following that the offense played decently against the colts and cowboys but could not take advantage of chances to win with the ball down one point at the end. Flash back to 2016, Odell would be the guy to pull off an insane catch and run late in the game to seal a number of wins. He’s a difference maker. We will see how this plays out but I think people are minimizing his loss. Most teams need to double cover him which opens things up for the rest of the offense.
Odell was not the same guy in 2018 that he was in 2016. Whether he ever is that guy again remains to be seen. He's still really good, but that explosion and burst we saw in 2016 where he was taking quick slants to the house just was not there.
And if he's such a difference maker, why did we get off to a 1-7 start? Obviously he wasn't moving the needle in terms of wins and losses.
I don’t want to become know as that guy who hates peppers but my prediction for him this year is he will appear often in the highlight reels, occasionally doing something good for the giants.
The pass rush is non existent, the LBs are at best JAGs and there is a lot of inexperience in the secondary. Remember it only takes one guy making a mistake to give up a big play.
To me this all spells disaster on the def side of the ball
On O, is Zeiter a huge upgrade over the guard we picked up mid year? He played pretty well.
They should be able to play efficient mistake free ball, but Eli doesn’t have the ability or weapons to win a bunch of shoot outs.
Nothing has changed? That's a joke right?
+1...that would set us up for some added confidence in 2020
I want to party with you, cowboy.
I don’t want to become know as that guy who hates peppers but my prediction for him this year is he will appear often in the highlight reels, occasionally doing something good for the giants.
The pass rush is non existent, the LBs are at best JAGs and there is a lot of inexperience in the secondary. Remember it only takes one guy making a mistake to give up a big play.
To me this all spells disaster on the def side of the ball
On O, is Zeiter a huge upgrade over the guard we picked up mid year? He played pretty well.
They should be able to play efficient mistake free ball, but Eli doesn’t have the ability or weapons to win a bunch of shoot outs.
I don't think Dex having immediate impact is even close to a stretch. He's coming from a college team with championship pedigree. He's NFL-ready and will be a factor in Game 1. What Snacks has done in the past is irrelevant. All that matters is what each guy is going to do going forward - and if you gave me the choice, I am taking Lawrence. He's younger, he's cheaper, and he can play 3 downs.
I am willing to go out on a limb and say that Dexter Lawrence will have more of an impact than Damon Harrison does this season and be a better player. I believe that.
Also, you don't think Zeitler is a sizable upgrade over Jamon Brown? Brown did an admirable job for us last year, but Zeitler is the better player and by a decent margin.
Maybe the pass rush will be nonexistent, maybe it won't be. How do we know what Carter, Golden or Ximines will do?
Lastly, I doubt Peppers will be in highlights for bad reasons when it comes to coverage any more than Collins.
I find it strange that we seem to be looking at Collins as someone who wasn't flawed suddenly... he was poor in coverage. He had one really excellent year here. Otherwise, he was good. Not great. Near the box SS with a bad shoulder?
I'm confident saying that Collins will never replicate his 2016.
For all the talent we let walk out the door, Beckham is the only guy I don't feel we have a better player in place of now. And WR is the last position I am concerned with when it comes to offense.
I understand the logic of trading him but it’s a loss and I think he’s going to have a huge year in Cleveland even if it’s like a gulag for him :)
I'm not saying peppers was a perfect player and I agree he won't replicate 2016, but peppers needs to cover the run as well as the pass and I'm not as convinced as you guys that he will be a plus cover guy. If you want to prepare yourself for the downside, watch the the KC Cle highlights from last year. Some really really bad play there.
But I agree I rather have dex than snacks at this point and he could match his impact this year and will certainly pass him going forward. so I'll give you that point.
I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.
They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.
I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.
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I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.
They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.
I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.
Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.
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Nothing has changed? That's a joke right?
No not a joke. I’ve maintained all spring and summer that this is still one of the 5-10 worst teams in the league. Nothing I’ve seen in preseason has changed my opinion. They’ll play hard, no doubt. But that alone won’t overcome the talent shortages at WR, LB, and rushing the passer. I saw our starting DL get run on a bunch this preseason too, and by 2nd stringers (Chicago). I’m also not expecting a 38 year old QB to start playing well again after years of poor play. Now can I be wrong? Sure. Of course I can. But I’ve been right every year I’ve participated in this yearly exercise of predicting the team’s record on BBI.
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I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.
They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.
I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.
Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.
I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.
I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.
9 with luck.
I honestly don't care, just no 1-7, 0-6 starts please. With this schedule that would be a disaster and trigger another coaching change
Eliminated from wild card by Eagles in week 17. I get in a fist fight in the parking lot no the way out of that game and go to jail.
Week 1 @ Cowboys L
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W
Week 5 vs Vikes L
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W
Week 8 @ Lions W
Week 9 vs Cowboys L
Week 10 @ Jets W
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers W
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L
Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.
I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.
I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.
This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?
WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.
A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
+1!
Don't you mean 23-0?
I think a lot of people here are just counting on the best case scenario across the board. A perfect example is Remmers. Everyone's assuming he's going to be this great upgrade at RT. He might be, but he's been truly awful the past two years. Plus he's coming off a back injury. We're all just assuming he becomes the player he was 3 years ago at RT. What if he sucks? Or gets hurt? Would put a major dent in our offense.
Also, our defense has the potential to be one of the worst in the league. We might very well have the worst pass rush in the league. That's kind of a big deal. We also have one of the worst groups of LBer's in the league, which is kind of a problem when you're running a 3-4 defense. Do we even have a single pro-bower on defense?
Having said that I'm honestly very excited for the season....I do think the arrow is pointed in the right direction....lots of good young talent....but we've got a ways to go yet in my opinion.
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Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.
I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.
I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.
This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?
WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.
A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
(and I use the term polyanna as it was on here back in the 90s when we had the polyanna vs. realist debates, and the polyannas wore the label proudly! :) So don't be offended by the term)
Every year is different. Comparing to last year is a bit of a fools errand. Our record may not be much better and yet the Giants may be a significantly better team. Here's why.
1) Lets not forget that the Giants were more or less gifted 4 wins last year play against backup QBs and teams that were severely hurting in general (moreso than the Giants were when they played them, the Giant's injuries came after those wins). So personally I don't view last year's team as a 5 - 11 team. I think it was more like a 2 or 3 win team.
2) There is a lot of young talent on the Giants, that's a good thing - the needle is moving in the right direction. However the downside of that, is there are going to be lots of mistakes as these players transition to young vets. The Secondary is littered with rookies (I am including Beal in that). Expect rookie mistakes. The only pass rushers are Zo and X. Again I think they will improve over time, but they need that time. It's going to be a very bad combination of a poor pass rush, and rookie coverage mistakes.
3) Exacerbating 2, Jenkins and Bethea are on the downsides of their careers. They may still be good players, but they won't be the players they were in the past.
4) The OL on paper is far superior to last years version. Even the improved version that ended the season. Doing nothing but replacing Wheeler with a player that belongs in the NFL is a huge upgrade, not to mention Zeitler. However, they still need to play together and gel. Only Solder and Hernandez spent significant time together last year. It will take time before this line comes together. Also, Solder and Remmers are on the wrong side of 30, they can break down without notice, and there is very little backing them up. If either goes down, this offense is in big trouble.
5) Special teams were significantly better than league average last year (Football outsiders had us ranked 3rd). Our punter is meh, and we lost some of the special teams aces, and going into the year the players we were counting on for ST are banged up. Expect Special Team play to revert to somewhere near average (although Rohas is awesome, so maybe a bit above)
So I don't see 6 - 10 as showing no improvement. In fact, I see 6 - 10 as proof that the team is moving in the right direction. I see going from what I believe was really a 2 or 3 win team with very little talent, to a 9 or 10 win team as unrealistic. Going to a 6 win team this year and 9 or 10 wins next year is perfectly within reason.
6-10 if all goes wrong
i know, not very in depth analysis, but this would be the standard deviation. any other record would be freaky. :)
As the secondary firms up, the pass rush will seem to improve. In reality, the pass rush will be the same but there will be more coverage sacks.
From the start of the season, the offense will be better than most people think, mostly because of upgraded line and Barkley. They will miss OBJ's big-play ability but not as much as some think.
There's going to be a point in the first half of the season where the team's record says it's time to play Jones, but Eli's playing too well to sit him down. They will stick with Eli.
A lot like 2018, 2019 will feature a slow start and a faster finish. Media will overreact to the slow start.
The team sticks together throughout and never quits on Shurmur.
Spot on.
6-10 to 8-8.
And I actually think a quantum leap ala 2016 to 10-6 and a wild card would be WORSE long term.
I don’t want this franchise getting ahead of itself and thinking they’re one step away too soon.
but with Eli looking sharp behind a revamped line
influx of youth and talent good mix of veterans .
If we stay healthy BIG IF especially the O-line
I think were gonna surprise a few teams looking
for a breakout MVP season from Barkley young
and second season with the new system and better culture.
With a little luck we could secure a wildcard .