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superspynyg : 8/30/2019 8:49 am
Be realistic and take off the uber fan glasses.

Week 1 @ Cowboys W No Zeke.
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W Oline is a mess.
Week 5 vs Vikes L Minn def will show up and too many weapons
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W.
Week 8 @ Lions L
Week 9 vs Cowboys L Zeke back
Week 10 @ Jets W Jets still not good
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers L
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W Worst team in Football
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L

I put us as 8-8. We could easily come out sluggish vs the boys and be 7-9. 8-8 is respectable while it wont net us the playoffs we have a change until the end. Look for Eli to play the whole season and DJ to start next year.
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7 to 9 wins  
Torrag : 8/30/2019 10:03 am : link
Jones plays sometime in November.

Eli I love you, but if you don't pull off a miracle playoff season including a post season win it's time to turn the page.
My breakdown if the Giants need 10 wins to make the playoffs...  
dep026 : 8/30/2019 10:05 am : link
Skins 2x
Lions
Miami
Buffalo
Arizona
TB
Jets

These are probably the 8 easiest games on schedule. If the Giants want to be contenders for the playoffs, they need to win 5 of them.

Eagles 2x
Dallas 2x

Obviously the two best teams in the division. A split has to happen, because the next 4 can be rough.

NE
Minny
GB
Chicago

At NE, at Chicago are going to be absolutely brutal. Minny is more talented than us and GB has Rodgers who can pick us apart.

I dont see many wins there, so its tough to see us getting to 10. 8-8 is probably the best course.
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ron mexico : 8/30/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14550808 arcarsenal said:
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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.

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It’s not all about obj.
We have to play defense as well
Snacks, Collins and Vernon are talented guys.

Hey, I hope we can overcome a talent deficit with team work as well. But it seems like few teams other than the patriots pull that off.

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arcarsenal : 8/30/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14550821 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14550808 arcarsenal said:


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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.

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It’s not all about obj.
We have to play defense as well
Snacks, Collins and Vernon are talented guys.

Hey, I hope we can overcome a talent deficit with team work as well. But it seems like few teams other than the patriots pull that off.


I understand that - but when it comes to Beckham, he only impacts one side of the ball one way or another. Regardless of him being here or not - the defense is totally independent of that.

I feel we've replaced Snacks with a younger, more versatile player in Lawrence who can play both NT and DE. Snacks is strictly a 2-down run stuffer. Our front now is cheaper and has more upside.

And yes, Collins is gone - but again - wouldn't you prefer Bethea/Peppers to Collins/Riley? I would. Peppers can actually cover. He's more versatile than Collins and Bethea is a pro's pro. Similar to what Deon Grant was when he was here.

I think the secondary as a whole is certainly better this year - or should be.

Vernon... yeah, we lost him, but the tradeoff was a massive upgrade @ RG. So, it wasn't just a one-sided scenario where a good player left and nothing good came back. It's not like he was great here anyway. He was overpaid and not worth the cap space when all was said and done. Good player who was being paid like a great one.

I agree we don't have the collective talent to win 10+ games or compete for a championship quite well - but I'm not sure we lost more talent than we brought in. In fact, I think the inverse is true.
8-8  
Sean : 8/30/2019 10:18 am : link
Competitive and meaningful games late.
RE: .  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14550808 arcarsenal said:
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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.

They didn't seem to miss him that much.... they looked like a more cohesive unit down the stretch and they put points on the board for the most part.

I really don't think we'll miss Beckham all that much, and I don't feel like a whole lot of talent left here. More entered than departed if you ask me...

Culture also matters. And there seems to be a very major difference in that department. All of these guys keep stressing the "team" aspect and you can even see in preseason that they all have eachother's backs.

It was cool to see Tate run out there and try to get Simonson the ball he caught for the TD when he was getting carted off.

It just seems like a much more cohesive team with the common goal of "TEAM" which I hadn't seen from these guys in recent years.
they beat up on a redskins team that led the league in players on IR led by mr butt fumble. They were then shut out by the Titans. Following that the offense played decently against the colts and cowboys but could not take advantage of chances to win with the ball down one point at the end. Flash back to 2016, Odell would be the guy to pull off an insane catch and run late in the game to seal a number of wins. He’s a difference maker. We will see how this plays out but I think people are minimizing his loss. Most teams need to double cover him which opens things up for the rest of the offense.
I love how fans  
dep026 : 8/30/2019 10:21 am : link
Shit on scoring 40 points in 3 quarters on the road.

It’s just sad at this point.
5-11,  
Default : 8/30/2019 10:23 am : link
probably worse.

Honestly don't care about the record, they aren't making the playoffs, just want Jones to get some experience.
7-9 or 8-8.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/30/2019 10:23 am : link
With us coming on in '20.
19-0  
mattlawson : 8/30/2019 10:25 am : link
;)
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14550857 Les in TO said:
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All that matters is how the offense performed without Beckham. Him being gone had no bearing on the defense... we already knew they were below average.

They didn't seem to miss him that much.... they looked like a more cohesive unit down the stretch and they put points on the board for the most part.

I really don't think we'll miss Beckham all that much, and I don't feel like a whole lot of talent left here. More entered than departed if you ask me...

Culture also matters. And there seems to be a very major difference in that department. All of these guys keep stressing the "team" aspect and you can even see in preseason that they all have eachother's backs.

It was cool to see Tate run out there and try to get Simonson the ball he caught for the TD when he was getting carted off.

It just seems like a much more cohesive team with the common goal of "TEAM" which I hadn't seen from these guys in recent years.

they beat up on a redskins team that led the league in players on IR led by mr butt fumble. They were then shut out by the Titans. Following that the offense played decently against the colts and cowboys but could not take advantage of chances to win with the ball down one point at the end. Flash back to 2016, Odell would be the guy to pull off an insane catch and run late in the game to seal a number of wins. He’s a difference maker. We will see how this plays out but I think people are minimizing his loss. Most teams need to double cover him which opens things up for the rest of the offense.


Odell was not the same guy in 2018 that he was in 2016. Whether he ever is that guy again remains to be seen. He's still really good, but that explosion and burst we saw in 2016 where he was taking quick slants to the house just was not there.

And if he's such a difference maker, why did we get off to a 1-7 start? Obviously he wasn't moving the needle in terms of wins and losses.
On iPad so can’t be as wordy as would like  
ron mexico : 8/30/2019 10:27 am : link
I like big dex but it’s a stretch to think that as a rookie he will be more impactful than a multiple time all pro, and I doubt he plays more snaps than snacks this year barring injury

I don’t want to become know as that guy who hates peppers but my prediction for him this year is he will appear often in the highlight reels, occasionally doing something good for the giants.

The pass rush is non existent, the LBs are at best JAGs and there is a lot of inexperience in the secondary. Remember it only takes one guy making a mistake to give up a big play.

To me this all spells disaster on the def side of the ball

On O, is Zeiter a huge upgrade over the guard we picked up mid year? He played pretty well.

They should be able to play efficient mistake free ball, but Eli doesn’t have the ability or weapons to win a bunch of shoot outs.
Nothing has changed  
The_Boss : 8/30/2019 10:28 am : link
Anywhere from 4-12 through 6-10
RE: Nothing has changed  
ryanmkeane : 8/30/2019 10:30 am : link
In comment 14550886 The_Boss said:
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Anywhere from 4-12 through 6-10

Nothing has changed? That's a joke right?
RE: 8-8  
ryanmkeane : 8/30/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14550850 Sean said:
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Competitive and meaningful games late.

+1...that would set us up for some added confidence in 2020
6-10  
Oscar : 8/30/2019 10:34 am : link
Don’t think this team is very good, don’t believe in Shurmur. I think it was a mistake to not just go to Jones immediately but the Giants are completely unwilling to just rip the band-aid off with Eli.
6-10  
jgambrosio : 8/30/2019 10:38 am : link
I think our offense will put up points but our defense will give up more. Secondary hasn't had any time together with the injuries to Beal and Baker, Ballentine missing the start of camp; we may be able to clog up running lanes, but without a great pass rush, we'll need to blitz which will expose the young secondary.
RE: Nothing has changed  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/30/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14550886 The_Boss said:
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Anywhere from 4-12 through 6-10


I want to party with you, cowboy.
RE: On iPad so can’t be as wordy as would like  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14550884 ron mexico said:
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I like big dex but it’s a stretch to think that as a rookie he will be more impactful than a multiple time all pro, and I doubt he plays more snaps than snacks this year barring injury

I don’t want to become know as that guy who hates peppers but my prediction for him this year is he will appear often in the highlight reels, occasionally doing something good for the giants.

The pass rush is non existent, the LBs are at best JAGs and there is a lot of inexperience in the secondary. Remember it only takes one guy making a mistake to give up a big play.

To me this all spells disaster on the def side of the ball

On O, is Zeiter a huge upgrade over the guard we picked up mid year? He played pretty well.

They should be able to play efficient mistake free ball, but Eli doesn’t have the ability or weapons to win a bunch of shoot outs.


I don't think Dex having immediate impact is even close to a stretch. He's coming from a college team with championship pedigree. He's NFL-ready and will be a factor in Game 1. What Snacks has done in the past is irrelevant. All that matters is what each guy is going to do going forward - and if you gave me the choice, I am taking Lawrence. He's younger, he's cheaper, and he can play 3 downs.

I am willing to go out on a limb and say that Dexter Lawrence will have more of an impact than Damon Harrison does this season and be a better player. I believe that.

Also, you don't think Zeitler is a sizable upgrade over Jamon Brown? Brown did an admirable job for us last year, but Zeitler is the better player and by a decent margin.

Maybe the pass rush will be nonexistent, maybe it won't be. How do we know what Carter, Golden or Ximines will do?

Lastly, I doubt Peppers will be in highlights for bad reasons when it comes to coverage any more than Collins.

I find it strange that we seem to be looking at Collins as someone who wasn't flawed suddenly... he was poor in coverage. He had one really excellent year here. Otherwise, he was good. Not great. Near the box SS with a bad shoulder?

I'm confident saying that Collins will never replicate his 2016.

For all the talent we let walk out the door, Beckham is the only guy I don't feel we have a better player in place of now. And WR is the last position I am concerned with when it comes to offense.
10-6  
Dr. D : 8/30/2019 11:00 am : link
I'm an optimist (and pretty much always predict 10-6).
16-0  
Anakim : 8/30/2019 11:02 am : link
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Arc  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 11:02 am : link
I agree with that - he was not the same player last year compared to pre injury at least towards the beginning of the year. The entire offense struggled. That said, he started to come on before the quad injury, threw two touchdown passes that were partially available because of the attention defenses provided. Made some big catches in the games the Giants did win.

I understand the logic of trading him but it’s a loss and I think he’s going to have a huge year in Cleveland even if it’s like a gulag for him :)

I'm sure zeiter is better  
ron mexico : 8/30/2019 11:04 am : link
But blocking largely has a binary outcome, either you do your job good enough or you don't. The fact that zeiter will be able to do his job slightly better in a slightly more consistent basis is not going to be transformative.

I'm not saying peppers was a perfect player and I agree he won't replicate 2016, but peppers needs to cover the run as well as the pass and I'm not as convinced as you guys that he will be a plus cover guy. If you want to prepare yourself for the downside, watch the the KC Cle highlights from last year. Some really really bad play there.

But I agree I rather have dex than snacks at this point and he could match his impact this year and will certainly pass him going forward. so I'll give you that point.
RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
christian : 8/30/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14550778 Britt in VA said:
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I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.

They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.

I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.
RE: RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
Britt in VA : 8/30/2019 11:06 am : link
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I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.

They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.

I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.


Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.
RE: RE: Nothing has changed  
The_Boss : 8/30/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14550890 ryanmkeane said:
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Anywhere from 4-12 through 6-10


Nothing has changed? That's a joke right?


No not a joke. I’ve maintained all spring and summer that this is still one of the 5-10 worst teams in the league. Nothing I’ve seen in preseason has changed my opinion. They’ll play hard, no doubt. But that alone won’t overcome the talent shortages at WR, LB, and rushing the passer. I saw our starting DL get run on a bunch this preseason too, and by 2nd stringers (Chicago). I’m also not expecting a 38 year old QB to start playing well again after years of poor play. Now can I be wrong? Sure. Of course I can. But I’ve been right every year I’ve participated in this yearly exercise of predicting the team’s record on BBI.
6-10.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/30/2019 11:08 am : link
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6-10  
Marty866b : 8/30/2019 11:18 am : link
Is our defense that much, or any better then the same time last year? Poor depth on the defensive line, one of the worst linebacking corps in the league and some very inexperience in the secondary. Will they ever get off the field?
7-9.  
yatqb : 8/30/2019 11:29 am : link
I think our defense while porous will be better for the addition of our new DBs, but without a pass rush or athletic LBs we will be exploited once again. One more draft anf FA period and we'll be competitive in the division.
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ron mexico : 8/30/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14550968 Britt in VA said:
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I get that feeling, but Beckham was also a huge part of 4 of the 5 wins the Giants had.

They might have been more balanced, but he and Barkley were the only difference makers.

I take a step back and think, if Barkley is bottled up, now what.



Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.


I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.

I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.
easy schedule helps  
family progtitioner : 8/30/2019 11:45 am : link
6 wins at worst
9 with luck.

I honestly don't care, just no 1-7, 0-6 starts please. With this schedule that would be a disaster and trigger another coaching change
9-7  
Karl Hungus : 8/30/2019 11:56 am : link
(or 7-9 if we get fooked by the officials more than average)

Eliminated from wild card by Eagles in week 17. I get in a fist fight in the parking lot no the way out of that game and go to jail.
9-7 , I think we head in the right direction this season  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/30/2019 11:56 am : link
Still not sold on beating the Cowgirls or Filthy at all though.

Week 1 @ Cowboys L
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W
Week 5 vs Vikes L
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W
Week 8 @ Lions W
Week 9 vs Cowboys L
Week 10 @ Jets W
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers W
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L
I  
AcidTest : 8/30/2019 11:56 am : link
agree that 8-8 seems likely. We're still a year away.
9-7  
Ryan in Albany : 8/30/2019 12:04 pm : link
2nd worst team in the league? MY ASS.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
christian : 8/30/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14551046 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14550968 Britt in VA said:

Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.

I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.

I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.


This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?

WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.

A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
RE: I choose to be excited about the team.  
T in NJ : 8/30/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14550702 Britt in VA said:
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I choose to believe they will be good and not miserable.


+1!
RE: 16-0  
ron mexico : 8/30/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14550956 Anakim said:
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Don't you mean 23-0?
6-10...  
Tesla : 8/30/2019 12:29 pm : link
but our schedule really looks like a cake-walk this season, so 7-9 or even 8-8 is not really out of the question. Wouldn't be at all shocked to see us go 4-12 either though.

I think a lot of people here are just counting on the best case scenario across the board. A perfect example is Remmers. Everyone's assuming he's going to be this great upgrade at RT. He might be, but he's been truly awful the past two years. Plus he's coming off a back injury. We're all just assuming he becomes the player he was 3 years ago at RT. What if he sucks? Or gets hurt? Would put a major dent in our offense.

Also, our defense has the potential to be one of the worst in the league. We might very well have the worst pass rush in the league. That's kind of a big deal. We also have one of the worst groups of LBer's in the league, which is kind of a problem when you're running a 3-4 defense. Do we even have a single pro-bower on defense?

Having said that I'm honestly very excited for the season....I do think the arrow is pointed in the right direction....lots of good young talent....but we've got a ways to go yet in my opinion.

8-8  
Kev in Cali : 8/30/2019 12:42 pm : link
Eli's last game will come week 6 vs the Pats....that's my prediction.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14551107 christian said:
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In comment 14550968 Britt in VA said:

Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.

I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.

I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.



This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?

WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.

A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
yup. This and the fact that some people think the Giants offensive line will look like the cowboys are why I’m also not expecting a return to a winning season.
In 2003  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 1:06 pm : link
The 49ers got rid of TO in part because of his diva ways and his desire to leave. They went from 7-9 in his last season to 2-14. Meanwhile he took the Eagles yo the brink of winning the Super Bowl. Not saying that the situations are identical; this Giants team does have talent on paper and the Niners also let Garcia go that offseason. But I won’t be surprised if our record is in the same ballpark as last season. Culture is important but so are elite playmakers
I'm sticking with my earlier 6 - 10  
.McL. : 8/30/2019 1:21 pm : link
To the folks who are the polyannas on this thread...
(and I use the term polyanna as it was on here back in the 90s when we had the polyanna vs. realist debates, and the polyannas wore the label proudly! :) So don't be offended by the term)

Every year is different. Comparing to last year is a bit of a fools errand. Our record may not be much better and yet the Giants may be a significantly better team. Here's why.

1) Lets not forget that the Giants were more or less gifted 4 wins last year play against backup QBs and teams that were severely hurting in general (moreso than the Giants were when they played them, the Giant's injuries came after those wins). So personally I don't view last year's team as a 5 - 11 team. I think it was more like a 2 or 3 win team.

2) There is a lot of young talent on the Giants, that's a good thing - the needle is moving in the right direction. However the downside of that, is there are going to be lots of mistakes as these players transition to young vets. The Secondary is littered with rookies (I am including Beal in that). Expect rookie mistakes. The only pass rushers are Zo and X. Again I think they will improve over time, but they need that time. It's going to be a very bad combination of a poor pass rush, and rookie coverage mistakes.

3) Exacerbating 2, Jenkins and Bethea are on the downsides of their careers. They may still be good players, but they won't be the players they were in the past.

4) The OL on paper is far superior to last years version. Even the improved version that ended the season. Doing nothing but replacing Wheeler with a player that belongs in the NFL is a huge upgrade, not to mention Zeitler. However, they still need to play together and gel. Only Solder and Hernandez spent significant time together last year. It will take time before this line comes together. Also, Solder and Remmers are on the wrong side of 30, they can break down without notice, and there is very little backing them up. If either goes down, this offense is in big trouble.

5) Special teams were significantly better than league average last year (Football outsiders had us ranked 3rd). Our punter is meh, and we lost some of the special teams aces, and going into the year the players we were counting on for ST are banged up. Expect Special Team play to revert to somewhere near average (although Rohas is awesome, so maybe a bit above)

So I don't see 6 - 10 as showing no improvement. In fact, I see 6 - 10 as proof that the team is moving in the right direction. I see going from what I believe was really a 2 or 3 win team with very little talent, to a 9 or 10 win team as unrealistic. Going to a 6 win team this year and 9 or 10 wins next year is perfectly within reason.
6-10  
Greg from LI : 8/30/2019 1:31 pm : link
WRs are mediocre at best, line is better but not actually good, I suspect the defense will be trash again.
8-8, maybe 9-7 if our injury luck is better  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/30/2019 1:32 pm : link
than several of our opponents'.
6 to 10 win range  
xtian : 8/30/2019 1:36 pm : link
10-6 if all goes right and we are in the playoffs
6-10 if all goes wrong

i know, not very in depth analysis, but this would be the standard deviation. any other record would be freaky. :)
I'm not going to predict a W-L record, but I have a few predictions:  
81_Great_Dane : 8/30/2019 2:20 pm : link
Defense is very young and inexperienced, struggles early but is better in the second half of the season.

As the secondary firms up, the pass rush will seem to improve. In reality, the pass rush will be the same but there will be more coverage sacks.

From the start of the season, the offense will be better than most people think, mostly because of upgraded line and Barkley. They will miss OBJ's big-play ability but not as much as some think.

There's going to be a point in the first half of the season where the team's record says it's time to play Jones, but Eli's playing too well to sit him down. They will stick with Eli.

A lot like 2018, 2019 will feature a slow start and a faster finish. Media will overreact to the slow start.

The team sticks together throughout and never quits on Shurmur.
RE: I;m thinking 6-10 to 8-8  
Rover : 8/30/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14550794 rnargi said:
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Defense will improve as the year goes on, but they're at least a year away from being good. Pass rush and linebacker coverage over the middle is lacking.

Spot on.
6-10 to 8-8.

And I actually think a quantum leap ala 2016 to 10-6 and a wild card would be WORSE long term.
I don’t want this franchise getting ahead of itself and thinking they’re one step away too soon.
8-8  
section125 : 8/30/2019 2:26 pm : link
is about right.
Arrow pointing up ..  
Bluesbreaker : 8/30/2019 5:49 pm : link
9-7 I was thinking more on the line of 6-10
but with Eli looking sharp behind a revamped line
influx of youth and talent good mix of veterans .
If we stay healthy BIG IF especially the O-line
I think were gonna surprise a few teams looking
for a breakout MVP season from Barkley young
and second season with the new system and better culture.
With a little luck we could secure a wildcard .
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