Haven’t decided if I like Shurmur as HC yet. Clearly better than McAdoo, clearly not as good as Coughlin was. But, I heard something the other day that’s disturbing about Shurmur’s hiring with regard to coaches who were previously fired as HCs. Other than Belichick and Shanahan, not many have been successful in their new jobs. I must be missing others and not sure about coaches who quit before they were fired. Was Coughlin fired in Jacksonville or did he quit before he was fired? What about
Andy Reid? If there aren’t many who have done well, would that be another statement of John Mara screwing up? You
This guy has to be a 16 year old kid. He wanted no part of Gase during the Jets coaching search. After the Jets hired him he's been raving about him here for some reason.
He admitted that he didn't want Le'Veon Bell in free agency. After the Jets signed him he has been raving about the impact he will have on the team and even claimed that the Jets got him "cheap." I guess being the 2nd highest paid player at your position is considered cheap to this dipshit.
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and the best record he had was 5-11. McAdoo as a rookie head coach went 11-5. Possibly further if someone other than Eli showed up In Green Bay.
So again, what makes Shurmur clearly better than McAdoo? Shurmur hasn’t done shit as head coach so far in the NFL.
What makes shurmur better? How about for starters, none of shurmurs teams quit on him and shurmur never lost control of a locker room. Shurmurs teams despite lacking talent busted their asses for him.
McAdoos team quit on him the second year. Maybe Shurmurs will too this year if the team goes 4-12. Shurmur isn't clearly better than McAdoo. At all. He has a horrible record as a head coach.
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and the best record he had was 5-11. McAdoo as a rookie head coach went 11-5. Possibly further if someone other than Eli showed up In Green Bay.
So again, what makes Shurmur clearly better than McAdoo? Shurmur hasn’t done shit as head coach so far in the NFL.
What makes shurmur better? How about for starters, none of shurmurs teams quit on him and shurmur never lost control of a locker room. Shurmurs teams despite lacking talent busted their asses for him.
McAdoos team quit on him the second year. Maybe Shurmurs will too this year if the team goes 4-12. Shurmur isn't clearly better than McAdoo. At all. He has a horrible record as a head coach.
Mcadoo was head coach for 2 seasons, well got fired before end of 2nd season. Pat shurmur was a head coach in Cleveland for 2 seasons and that team didn't quit on him and he didn't lose control of the locker room. The inmates were running the asylum here under mcadoo and yet a lot of the issues that arose under mcadoo didn't repeat itself under shurmur last season with a losing record. Until shurmur loses a locker room and his team quits on him, don't give me hypotheticals. THEY DID quit on mcadoo!! That is fact
There is a reason shurmur quickly landed back on his feet after getting fired from Cleveland and mcadoo is still unemployed.
What makes shurmur better? How about for starters, none of shurmurs teams quit on him and shurmur never lost control of a locker room. Shurmurs teams despite lacking talent busted their asses for him.
When a Pat Shurmur-coached team wins 11 games in a season, then you can say that. The Giants had the second-best record in the NFC in 2016. The second year with Mac sucked completely, but the first season is clearly better than anything Shurmur has done to this point in his career.
Playing hard and that not adding up to anything isn't much to brag about. Heck, I could argue part of the reason the 2017 team fell apart so badly was higher expectations than any team Shurmur has led.
I get that the results are not there yet with Shurmur, but MacAdoo was clearly never head coach material. He wasn’t even a proven OC.
I could list many reasons for this, but it doesn’t take much to be better than Mac. It’s like saying something clearly smells better than a pile of shit.
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What makes shurmur better? How about for starters, none of shurmurs teams quit on him and shurmur never lost control of a locker room. Shurmurs teams despite lacking talent busted their asses for him.
When a Pat Shurmur-coached team wins 11 games in a season, then you can say that. The Giants had the second-best record in the NFC in 2016. The second year with Mac sucked completely, but the first season is clearly better than anything Shurmur has done to this point in his career.
Playing hard and that not adding up to anything isn't much to brag about. Heck, I could argue part of the reason the 2017 team fell apart so badly was higher expectations than any team Shurmur has led.
This record thing is total BS!! First of all, it was the defense that played lights out....our offense which was supposed to be mcadoos strength was 26th in points, 25th in yards. The following year 31st in points, 21st in yards.
Andy dalton has more wins than Andrew luck are you going to tell me that dalton is/was a better quarterback than luck?
There is no bigger indictment for a coach then a team that flat out quits on him. It shows a severe lack of leadership, communication and discipline.
This record thing is total BS!! First of all, it was the defense that played lights out....our offense which was supposed to be mcadoos strength was 26th in points, 25th in yards. The following year 31st in points, 21st in yards.
Andy dalton has more wins than Andrew luck are you going to tell me that dalton is/was a better quarterback than luck?
There is no bigger indictment for a coach then a team that flat out quits on him. It shows a severe lack of leadership, communication and discipline.
Terrible analogy. In this scenario, there is no Andrew Luck. McAdoo is Andy Dalton and Pat Shurmur (at least to this point in his career) is Akili Smith.
Our beloved former coach's most famous quote is, "You are what your record says you are." You can try and say whatever you want. 11 wins is 11 wins. Shurmur hasn't come close to that yet. When he does, then we can say he's better. It's really simple.
He and Gettleman both deserve credit so far.
Agreed.
One coach was employed after being fired and the other one is now entering his 2nd season of being unemployed.
Overall he's been something of an average coach. And average doesn't really get you to the next level
Overall he's been something of an average coach. And average doesn't really get you to the next level
Cool story. Go talk about Gase with your fellow Jets fans. Maybe you can even discuss segments of the population that you find disgusting.
There have only ever been 6 coaches to be fired and later win a superbowl. Mike Shanahan was the first of these. Although in his case it was because of a feud with Al Davis. So Shanahan should get a pass on that.
Bill Belichick of course was fired by the Browns, but he turned the team around, and it was the Browns after all
Other Coaches to be fired and later win a SB:
Tony Dungy
Tom Coughlin
Pete Carroll
Gary Kubiak
Retread coaches to win a SB is a recent phenomenon. I think the Salary Cap and the CBA has a lot to do with this. Teams are harder to run. Coaches get blamed when the issues were really with the Front Office. The CBA limits their ability to teach and get teams prepared.
There have been many SB winning coaches who were later fired.
Here is the list:
Vince Lombardi
Weeb Ewbank - fired from colts after a championship, later won SB with Jets
Hank Stram - Won SB but after left KC before being fired, later fired from Saints
Don McCafferty - fired midseason 1 1/2 years after SB win
Tom Landry - fired after 29 seasons and 2 SB
Don Shula
Chuck Noll
John Madden
Tom Flores - After 2 SB wins forced to front office, moved to Seattle, Fired after 3 seasons
Bill Walsh
Joe Gibbs
Mike Ditka - Fired from Bears 7 seasons after SB, Fired from Saints after 3 seasons
Bill Parcells
George Seifert - Essentially fired in favor of Marriucci, Was given a bad choice and chose leave after 9 seassons and 2 SB, Retired/Fired after 3 seasons from Panthers
Jimmy Johnson
Barry Switzer - Resigned before getting fired after 4 seasons and 1 SB
Mike Holmgren
Mike Shanahan* - Fired from Raiders before SB, Fired from Was after
Dick Vermeil
Brian Billick - Fired from Ravens 7 seasons after SB
Bill Belichick* - fired from Browns
Jon Gruden - Fired by Bucs 6 seasons after SB
Bill Cowher
Tony Dungy* - Fired by Bucs
Tom Coughlin* - Fired by Jaguars, Fired by Giants 3 years after 2 SB
Mike Tomlin
Sean Payton
Mike McCarthy - Fired 8 seasons after SB
John Harbaugh
Pete Carroll* - Fired by Jets, Fired by Patriots
Gary Kubiak* - Fired by Texans
Doug Pederson
The notes tell you their history of being fired. No notes... Never fired. Not that hard.
The list of names is superbowl winning head coaches. There is a notation next to the coaches who were fired or moved on.
I didn't realize he made both dumb responses. He clearly didn't read the first line of the post.
Dumbass, tell me what is not clear about this line, the very first line
Let me explain something to you.
That list isn't something I pulled off a website and posted here.
I made the list of SB winning coaches
Then I researched the careers of each and every one
I made the nodes on the list myself
The whole thing took time and effort
I don't need anybody's eternal gratitude,
But also don't need some dumbass jerk, thinking he is going to show me up and call me out on how stupid I am.
Especially when said dumbass didn't read the post or understand what they were looking at.
So when you call somebody a Dick, You should be looking in the mirror.
Overall he's been something of an average coach. And average doesn't really get you to the next level
average is actually an improvement for the Jets as a franchise.
373-439
There is no answer as they were both just horrible.