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NGT: In defense of Antonio Brown

weaverpsu : 9/5/2019 2:51 pm
A lot of us, including me are coming down pretty hard on AB right now. I recently have realized, through introspection and having deep conversations with others, that everything we have experienced in life contributes to who we are as human beings.

Antonio Brown did not have his father in his life at a young age, he grew up in a rough neighborhood, and when his mother re-married, he essentially got thrown out of his house and was homeless for about 6 months as a teenager.

I would just like us, including me, to be more thoughtful when we are bashing another human being. AB has not had a wonderful upbringing and who he is today is certainly a result of this.

I'll just reiterate again. I'm including myself in this criticism. Because of my recent change or perspective and my experience as a teacher, I googled him and it definitely shed some light on his character and recent troubles.
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Are you serious?  
figgy2989 : 9/5/2019 2:54 pm : link
There are many other stories of professional athletes who had hard upbringings and don't act like assholes.

Antonio Brown is a big boy who  
johnnyb : 9/5/2019 2:55 pm : link
should know the difference between right and wrong. regardless of his difficult childhood and experiences growing up, he has been blessed to play a kid's game for a king's ransom. His behavior is inexcusable, dating back to his time in Pittsburgh, and if he cannot realize his good fortune, then his agent should remind him.

Blaming current behavior on a tough upbringing is shifting blame, which I cannot support. He is an adult, responsible for his own actions and therefore the responsibility that goes along with it.
I signed in just to say  
sjnyfan : 9/5/2019 2:57 pm : link
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Umm no  
eli4life : 9/5/2019 2:58 pm : link
He’s a giant douche
Now this is funny  
pjcas18 : 9/5/2019 2:58 pm : link
Quote:
TMZ
@TMZ
O.J. Simpson Says Antonio Brown Is Murdering His Fantasy Team


you have to be pretty much a lunatic  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/5/2019 2:59 pm : link
if Tomlin would give up on a talent like that

at one point weverspu -- a kid's got to grow up -- I'm not sure I'm ready to feel sorry for or defend Antonio Brown
I'd buy that  
Matt in SGS : 9/5/2019 3:00 pm : link
for him going to college and even coming into the NFL. He's a 31 year old man at this stage who is entering his 10th year in the NFL and has been in the spotlight (and paid accordingly) for a number of those years.

I'd expect someone in their 10th year in the NFL and beyond his 30th birthday to act like a professional.

I'd buy more into the fact that he might have mental illness or CTE that is causing this.
Now he has his own kids  
allstarjim : 9/5/2019 3:00 pm : link
And he's choosing to put his ego above providing for them and setting an example.
Boo-fucking-hoo.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/5/2019 3:01 pm : link
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I think you are missing the point  
weaverpsu : 9/5/2019 3:02 pm : link
I'm not saying what he is doing is right. I just texted my friend that he is spoiled and a headcase. However, my wondering why he is a headcase caused me to look into his past and I got some answers as to why Brown might be erratic and irrational and whatever other word you want to use.
RE: Boo-fucking-hoo.  
cokeduplt : 9/5/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14559933 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This
AP beat his kid  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 3:04 pm : link
for the same reason, his upbringing.

Yeah, not going to fly with me. And after seeing AB on social media he actually seems like a pretty good dude and good father off the field. This is simply him being an asshole now, nothing more nothing less.
Weaver  
crick n NC : 9/5/2019 3:04 pm : link
You're fighting a losing battle here.
I'm with weaver on this  
Dave : 9/5/2019 3:05 pm : link
and, you never know whats going on behind the scenes
This new world where people are required to care  
AJ23 : 9/5/2019 3:05 pm : link
about the feelings of athletes is bananas.
I'm no shrink but I'm having trouble agreeing with you OP  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/5/2019 3:05 pm : link

Quoted from Spotrac,

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"3 year, $50,125,000 contract with the Oakland Raiders, including a $1,000,000 signing bonus, $30,125,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $16,708,333. In 2019, Brown will earn a base salary of $14,625,000 and a signing bonus of $1,000,000, while carrying a cap hit of $14,958,333 and a dead cap value of $30,125,000."


Yea, I'm just not hearing it. Sorry.
So your saying  
Boatie Warrant : 9/5/2019 3:06 pm : link
we all get to use our past as an excuse to be complete assholes?

YES! Vindication!
No one is.required to  
crick n NC : 9/5/2019 3:07 pm : link
Feel for anyone. It's each individual's choice. I do think folks could at least give some thought into the possibility that there might be more than meets the eye in regard to his behavior
'that everything we have experienced in life contributes'...  
Torrag : 9/5/2019 3:07 pm : link
SJW theory in action. WTG!
this is a fantastic  
cjac : 9/5/2019 3:10 pm : link
rags to riches story
RE: 'that everything we have experienced in life contributes'...  
FStubbs : 9/5/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14559952 Torrag said:
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SJW theory in action. WTG!


Uh, nurture vs nature is a discussion that predates your right wing "lol you're a SJW so you argument has no merit" trash.
RE: 'that everything we have experienced in life contributes'...  
Motley Two : 9/5/2019 3:13 pm : link
In comment 14559952 Torrag said:
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SJW theory in action. WTG!



Anti-Science dullard in action. WTG!
I'm certainly sympathetic to whatever hardships he went through  
Mad Mike : 9/5/2019 3:14 pm : link
growing up. No doubt that can have lifelong impacts. But nonetheless, his behavior recently is really inappropriate and deserving of criticism. A difficult upbringing doesn't absolve one of adult responsibilities, and he's falling pretty far short.

I'd be much more willing to excuse his conduct if, as some have speculated in one of the other threads, he's suffering from some material deterioration due to head trauma. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, I have no idea, but that would certainly be something that makes someone not fully responsible for their actions imo.
It's that kind of thinking  
Gman11 : 9/5/2019 3:14 pm : link
that contributes to the problem. It's always somebody else's fault.
This definitely couldn't have been posted  
Mr. Bungle : 9/5/2019 3:14 pm : link
in the existing Antonio Brown thread...
Material *mental* deterioration  
Mad Mike : 9/5/2019 3:16 pm : link
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RE: AP beat his kid  
weaverpsu : 9/5/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14559943 UConn4523 said:
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for the same reason, his upbringing.

Yeah, not going to fly with me. And after seeing AB on social media he actually seems like a pretty good dude and good father off the field. This is simply him being an asshole now, nothing more nothing less.


Actually this just reiterates my point. Adrian Peterson's father used to hit him and now he hits his son. If AP's father never hits Adrian, he more than likely never passes that on to his kids. Do I think AP is a POS? Yes, I do. But, there is a reason and logic behind it. Lastly, I'm not saying your fate is set in stone. My dad beat me, so I'm gonna beat my sons....I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying, sometimes it helps to think about the big picture. If you disagree, that's fine. Just my thoughts on the subject.
He threatened to punch Mayock in the face yesterday  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/5/2019 3:19 pm : link
in front of the team. It's funny how some are willing to make excuses for him yet still to this day whine about Beckham, who was never anywhere near as bad as this guy. Imagine if Odell threatened to punch someone in management's face?
I prefer to judge a grown man based on his own actions  
Mike from Ohio : 9/5/2019 3:21 pm : link
rather than excuse it because he had a rough childhood.

Most of the scorn and ridicule AB is receiving here is warranted, even in light of everything the OP posted.
This helped  
Karl Hungus : 9/5/2019 3:21 pm : link
RE: He threatened to punch Mayock in the face yesterday  
weaverpsu : 9/5/2019 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14559981 Dave in Hoboken said:
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in front of the team. It's funny how some are willing to make excuses for him yet still to this day whine about Beckham, who was never anywhere near as bad as this guy. Imagine if Odell threatened to punch someone in management's face?


He should get suspended or cut. I'm not disputing that at all. And, for the record, I wanted OBJ on this team but I am happy with the players and picks we got in return.
RE: He threatened to punch Mayock in the face yesterday  
Motley Two : 9/5/2019 3:22 pm : link
In comment 14559981 Dave in Hoboken said:
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in front of the team. It's funny how some are willing to make excuses for him yet still to this day whine about Beckham, who was never anywhere near as bad as this guy. Imagine if Odell threatened to punch someone in management's face?


Probably net him better results than punching a wall.
I believe he has his dad in his life now  
Rjanyg : 9/5/2019 3:23 pm : link
Isn't his father Touchdown Eddie Brown, from the AFL Albany Firebirds??

Plus, why not wear a new helmet that is better designed to protect your empty head???

The Raiders enabled him by trading for him. That is what we must think. If nobody trades for him or pays him he goes off into retirement. Sending him $30 MIll in guarantees just gives him free reign to act like an idiot.
Nothing wrong  
FranchiseQB : 9/5/2019 3:23 pm : link
With having sympathy for someone. Everybody's hot take is to hate or laugh to the max. Something's up with this guy. He may not be well. It's ok to wonder about it and have an open mind without condoning his ludicrous conduct.
RE: I prefer to judge a grown man based on his own actions  
weaverpsu : 9/5/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14559983 Mike from Ohio said:
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rather than excuse it because he had a rough childhood.

Most of the scorn and ridicule AB is receiving here is warranted, even in light of everything the OP posted.


Ugh, I wasn't excusing it. I'm simply saying he is who he is because of his past. He clearly needs good friends and family to support him and help him. I guess I tried and failed. No regrets.
RE: RE: He threatened to punch Mayock in the face yesterday  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/5/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14559988 Motley Two said:
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In comment 14559981 Dave in Hoboken said:


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in front of the team. It's funny how some are willing to make excuses for him yet still to this day whine about Beckham, who was never anywhere near as bad as this guy. Imagine if Odell threatened to punch someone in management's face?



Probably net him better results than punching a wall.


Definitely the same as threatening to punch a fellow employee in the face. Like, for sure.
To excuse actions  
crick n NC : 9/5/2019 3:25 pm : link
Is to say what Brown did is ok because of....
I don't think the OP is saying that. I think the OP is simply saying perhaps there are deeper reasons why we act the way we do. To me Brown deserves suspension if what is being reported is true. I'm personally not big on calling other people a POS.
He's had more resources at his disposal  
JonC : 9/5/2019 3:28 pm : link
than most human beings will ever have access to, and he's still struggling. Get help, pay for it, it's out there.

If he wasn't an NFL player, where would he be.
Whether they say  
FranchiseQB : 9/5/2019 3:29 pm : link
It this week or not, i think the Raiders are probably done with Brown and all their comments and actions will be in service of figuring out how to avoid paying him the guaranteed part of his contract. Barring a total mea culpa.
RE: RE: AP beat his kid  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14559977 weaverpsu said:
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In comment 14559943 UConn4523 said:


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for the same reason, his upbringing.

Yeah, not going to fly with me. And after seeing AB on social media he actually seems like a pretty good dude and good father off the field. This is simply him being an asshole now, nothing more nothing less.



Actually this just reiterates my point. Adrian Peterson's father used to hit him and now he hits his son. If AP's father never hits Adrian, he more than likely never passes that on to his kids. Do I think AP is a POS? Yes, I do. But, there is a reason and logic behind it. Lastly, I'm not saying your fate is set in stone. My dad beat me, so I'm gonna beat my sons....I'm not saying that. I'm simply saying, sometimes it helps to think about the big picture. If you disagree, that's fine. Just my thoughts on the subject.


Right. And my point is that isn't an excuse, which is why I posted it.
RE: Nothing wrong  
bw in dc : 9/5/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14559990 FranchiseQB said:
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With having sympathy for someone. Everybody's hot take is to hate or laugh to the max. Something's up with this guy. He may not be well. It's ok to wonder about it and have an open mind without condoning his ludicrous conduct.


I see your point to a degree.

On the other hand, what we are most likely seeing is a player who has been pampered and spoiled; and that has seriously impacted his perspective. And his agent is Rosenhaus, who just happened to represent another self-involved jackass WR who acted similarly - TO.
I'll confess to not paying a lot of attention NFL drama  
jcn56 : 9/5/2019 3:33 pm : link
that doesn't involve the Giants. Was Brown a headcase earlier on and has worsened lately? Or is this relatively new behavior for him (past year or two)?
RE: RE: RE: He threatened to punch Mayock in the face yesterday  
Motley Two : 9/5/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14559994 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14559988 Motley Two said:


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In comment 14559981 Dave in Hoboken said:


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in front of the team. It's funny how some are willing to make excuses for him yet still to this day whine about Beckham, who was never anywhere near as bad as this guy. Imagine if Odell threatened to punch someone in management's face?



Probably net him better results than punching a wall.



Definitely the same as threatening to punch a fellow employee in the face. Like, for sure.


Oh yes. Seriously. Seriously?
RE: RE: Nothing wrong  
FranchiseQB : 9/5/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14560006 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14559990 FranchiseQB said:


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With having sympathy for someone. Everybody's hot take is to hate or laugh to the max. Something's up with this guy. He may not be well. It's ok to wonder about it and have an open mind without condoning his ludicrous conduct.



I see your point to a degree.

On the other hand, what we are most likely seeing is a player who has been pampered and spoiled; and that has seriously impacted his perspective. And his agent is Rosenhaus, who just happened to represent another self-involved jackass WR who acted similarly - TO.


Maybe. But we don't know these people as much as we think we might. Threatening physical violence is pretty dramatic. Has he ever exhibited this behavior before? I think it's totally ok for the Raiders to be done with him. It's a business first. That's probably what i would do. But this dude might also need serious help. I hope he gets it, if so.
I’m all for  
Les in TO : 9/5/2019 3:41 pm : link
Understanding what a person has gone through in life to find out what makes them tick. That said, it’s hard to draw a straight line between his tough teenage years to his current meltdown. Especially given all the success he’s had along the way. I don’t know if it’s substance abuse or sulkiness about ending up in Oakland but he’s being a jerk

By contrast, look at Warrick Dunn. He had to raise his siblings at the age of 18 after his mom was murdered. He has started a number of charities and by all accounts is a living saint.

RE: I’m all for  
FranchiseQB : 9/5/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14560018 Les in TO said:
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Understanding what a person has gone through in life to find out what makes them tick. That said, it’s hard to draw a straight line between his tough teenage years to his current meltdown. Especially given all the success he’s had along the way. I don’t know if it’s substance abuse or sulkiness about ending up in Oakland but he’s being a jerk

By contrast, look at Warrick Dunn. He had to raise his siblings at the age of 18 after his mom was murdered. He has started a number of charities and by all accounts is a living saint.


Or maybe Brown has a serious brain injury. Remember Chris Henry?
RE: I'd buy that  
Kev in Cali : 9/5/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14559931 Matt in SGS said:
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for him going to college and even coming into the NFL. He's a 31 year old man at this stage who is entering his 10th year in the NFL and has been in the spotlight (and paid accordingly) for a number of those years.

I'd expect someone in their 10th year in the NFL and beyond his 30th birthday to act like a professional.

I'd buy more into the fact that he might have mental illness or CTE that is causing this.


I'd lean this way too....irritable over pennies compared to what he makes annually?!?!
RE: RE: I’m all for  
Les in TO : 9/5/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14560022 FranchiseQB said:
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In comment 14560018 Les in TO said:


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Understanding what a person has gone through in life to find out what makes them tick. That said, it’s hard to draw a straight line between his tough teenage years to his current meltdown. Especially given all the success he’s had along the way. I don’t know if it’s substance abuse or sulkiness about ending up in Oakland but he’s being a jerk

By contrast, look at Warrick Dunn. He had to raise his siblings at the age of 18 after his mom was murdered. He has started a number of charities and by all accounts is a living saint.




Or maybe Brown has a serious brain injury. Remember Chris Henry?
could be a brain injury or CTE too. Either way his behaviour is bizarre and probably worthy of a proper professional exam
well, Mr. Weaver, congrats  
Bill in UT : 9/5/2019 4:02 pm : link
You have, in the course of 2 days, stolen my title for dumbest post ever. I'll be sending the trophy along as soon as it gets here from Jimmy
I saw some reddit post  
tbonfig : 9/5/2019 4:07 pm : link
a while ago that linked all of his ridiculous behavior dating back to that nasty hit by Vontaze Burfict.
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