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This shit is hilarious  
BlueHurricane : 9/5/2019 5:56 pm : link
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Yes, with Elliott back, Dallas may dominate the sport over the next few years, but, at the same time, money, contracts and the salary cap will do, well, as the salary cap is supposed to do. It will limit a team's long-term success.


What has Dallas done to "dominate the sport" the last few years to give anyone the idea they will "dominate the sport" going forward.

10-6 and a divisional round loss is no grounds for this type of insanity.
Of course they're overspending and, if the cap doesn't rise  
CT Charlie : 9/5/2019 5:59 pm : link
significantly, the Cowboys will hit a wall. But what a dumb sentence:
"Yes, with Elliott back, Dallas may dominate the sport over the next few years..."

Even if they win ONE Super Bowl in the next 3-4 years, that should be more than enough reward for the investment.

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arcarsenal : 9/5/2019 6:08 pm : link
I remember reading these same stories about the Eagles year after year after year.

Well, guess what. The catastrophe never happened. They won a Super Bowl instead.

I know the real reason this is being posted is to support your take that RB's aren't worth paying - but until Dallas actually is in cap hell, it's really nothing but wishful thinking.

There are a lot of ways to maneuver the cap and the number is likely going to continue to rise.

I hope the Cowboys wind up stuck with no flexibility; but I've been reading these same stories about teams like Dallas and Philadelphia for what feels like eons now... and they continue to avoid having catastrophic cap issues and aren't losing key players.
RE: This shit is hilarious  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/5/2019 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14560213 BlueHurricane said:
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Yes, with Elliott back, Dallas may dominate the sport over the next few years, but, at the same time, money, contracts and the salary cap will do, well, as the salary cap is supposed to do. It will limit a team's long-term success.



What has Dallas done to "dominate the sport" the last few years to give anyone the idea they will "dominate the sport" going forward.

10-6 and a divisional round loss is no grounds for this type of insanity.


The Cowboys are a franchise that is consistently overrated.

When they aren't very good the story is "but look st all the taslent they have"

When they ate competitive they are going to "dominate".

The worst part is that Giants fans are akways really part of that narrative.
apologies for all the typos  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 9/5/2019 6:10 pm : link
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RE: This shit is hilarious  
BSIMatt : 9/5/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14560213 BlueHurricane said:
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Yes, with Elliott back, Dallas may dominate the sport over the next few years, but, at the same time, money, contracts and the salary cap will do, well, as the salary cap is supposed to do. It will limit a team's long-term success.



What has Dallas done to "dominate the sport" the last few years to give anyone the idea they will "dominate the sport" going forward.

10-6 and a divisional round loss is no grounds for this type of insanity.


They averaged a whopping 20 points per game, is that dominating?
They went 8-2 in one score games...
I'm sorry but the Cowboys have a very good team  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/5/2019 6:23 pm : link
and they've been building it the right way -- with mostly homegrown players. They've been drafting well and they've made some pretty savvy deals -- like the one that brought Amari Cooper over

You may not like them, and see them fail -- but I'm not taking them lightly and they are a force to be reckoned with and have been for quite a while.

We Giants fans are hardly in a position to chortle -- we've had to remove and replace practically our entire team and we have a way to go to be a good as they are now
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.McL. : 9/5/2019 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14560223 arcarsenal said:
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I remember reading these same stories about the Eagles year after year after year.

Well, guess what. The catastrophe never happened. They won a Super Bowl instead.

I know the real reason this is being posted is to support your take that RB's aren't worth paying - but until Dallas actually is in cap hell, it's really nothing but wishful thinking.

There are a lot of ways to maneuver the cap and the number is likely going to continue to rise.

I hope the Cowboys wind up stuck with no flexibility; but I've been reading these same stories about teams like Dallas and Philadelphia for what feels like eons now... and they continue to avoid having catastrophic cap issues and aren't losing key players.


I was on CNN looking for news about the hurricane and that popped up...

But yeah, I thought it was interesting that somebody thinks Dallas may have some issues in the future with regards to the cap. None of us are privy to the inner details of Dallas' cap or future plans to deal with it. So I have no idea just how much trouble they will or won't experience.

And yes, I think they over paid for Zeke. And I do hope it bites them in the ass.
RE: I'm sorry but the Cowboys have a very good team  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14560240 gidiefor said:
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and they've been building it the right way -- with mostly homegrown players. They've been drafting well and they've made some pretty savvy deals -- like the one that brought Amari Cooper over

You may not like them, and see them fail -- but I'm not taking them lightly and they are a force to be reckoned with and have been for quite a while.

We Giants fans are hardly in a position to chortle -- we've had to remove and replace practically our entire team and we have a way to go to be a good as they are now


Unfortunately I agree with you. I think they win the division again. And win it easily. God that makes my stomach churn to type that.
RE: RE: I'm sorry but the Cowboys have a very good team  
mfsd : 9/5/2019 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14560245 .McL. said:
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In comment 14560240 gidiefor said:


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and they've been building it the right way -- with mostly homegrown players. They've been drafting well and they've made some pretty savvy deals -- like the one that brought Amari Cooper over

You may not like them, and see them fail -- but I'm not taking them lightly and they are a force to be reckoned with and have been for quite a while.

We Giants fans are hardly in a position to chortle -- we've had to remove and replace practically our entire team and we have a way to go to be a good as they are now



Unfortunately I agree with you. I think they win the division again. And win it easily. God that makes my stomach churn to type that.


+2

Makes my skin crawl too, but round about when Stephen Jones took over for Jerruh, theyíve been doing a lot of things right. Hasnít translated into a Super Bowl yet, but doesnít mean they arenít built to contend for the near future.

Tough decision on their hands with Dak...they know as well as the rest of us what his limitations are, but for a team built as well as anyone around a top draw OL and elite RB, Dak is a good fit.

Can he make the plays to win the big ones? Time will tell. Heíll probably get his chances the next few years if they stick with him.
The have a lot of talented pieces  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/5/2019 6:36 pm : link
But Dak and/or Garrett are holding them back.
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arcarsenal : 9/5/2019 6:40 pm : link
I actually think paying Dak would be a bigger mistake than having paid Elliott.

Dallas would probably be able to sustain this level of competitiveness if they could keep the QB position cheap. I think they should have been looking for a mid-round QB in one of these recent drafts... i.e... Ryan Finley.
This is so ridiculous, teams that draft well don't get cap headaches  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/5/2019 6:41 pm : link
Sure they have to let a good player or two go occasionaly, but that is a GOOD thing. They are playing it by ear this year with Dak and what he can accomplish with a new offensive coordinator running a more modern offense. If it doesn't work out this year do not be surprised if they let him walk.
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.McL. : 9/5/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14560263 arcarsenal said:
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I actually think paying Dak would be a bigger mistake than having paid Elliott.

Dallas would probably be able to sustain this level of competitiveness if they could keep the QB position cheap. I think they should have been looking for a mid-round QB in one of these recent drafts... i.e... Ryan Finley.

At this point, I agree, they should find another cost controlled QB...
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Mike in NY : 9/5/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14560263 arcarsenal said:
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I actually think paying Dak would be a bigger mistake than having paid Elliott.

Dallas would probably be able to sustain this level of competitiveness if they could keep the QB position cheap. I think they should have been looking for a mid-round QB in one of these recent drafts... i.e... Ryan Finley.


Agreed. While QB is more valuable than RB, to build sustained success you canít be overpaying for mediocre players.
The pro football world  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/5/2019 6:47 pm : link
Has passed on by the bbi analytics crowd XD
Donít pay Zeke  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 6:54 pm : link
donít pay Dak, donít pay Cooper. The OPs 3 keys to success!

Restart, hope they land a better QB and a RB that can give 80% of Zeke at the fraction of the cost all while having absolutely nothing go wrong! Sounds like a recipe for success.

I think Dak is overrated but they have no choice but to pay him. The alternative can be wasting everything theyíve spent some much time, effort, money and picks building with that OLine and front 7 these last 3/4 years.
RE: Donít pay Zeke  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 6:58 pm : link
In comment 14560280 UConn4523 said:
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donít pay Dak, donít pay Cooper. The OPs 3 keys to success!

Restart, hope they land a better QB and a RB that can give 80% of Zeke at the fraction of the cost all while having absolutely nothing go wrong! Sounds like a recipe for success.

I think Dak is overrated but they have no choice but to pay him. The alternative can be wasting everything theyíve spent some much time, effort, money and picks building with that OLine and front 7 these last 3/4 years.

You are an ass
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christian : 9/5/2019 7:00 pm : link
Lol -- the Elliot contract is the antithesis of a headache. It's a 4 year/52M deal with an out of 6.7M after the '22 season.

There's a very good chance he'll never be among the top 50 highest paid players in the NFL at any point in the deal.

He's was going to cost 18M the next 2 seasons anyway, so they acquired control for another 2 seasons at 16M a year.

If he falls apart he's not a Cowboy after his age 27-year-old season.



McL...  
bw in dc : 9/5/2019 7:02 pm : link
Nothing really new there. The Boys will sign both Dak and Cooper. But that will make Jones expendable at corner, and they will gamble that the next two drafts are deep enough at corner to fill that spot. Jones, IMV, is a top 10 corner.

To me, this is what is wrong with this hideous cap system. Dallas focuses on the draft and absolutely kills it the last 5-6 years. Essentially, does it the "right way".

But because they did their job very well, they will get penalized and other teams will likely benefit. I'm all for FA for players, but it's an indictment to the system that the victors in this case don't get the possible benefit of the long term spoils.

The cap needs to be softer or eliminated.
How am I an ass?  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 7:05 pm : link
your solution isnít realistic. Not paying guys that (might) be overpaid just to say you stayed under some arbitrary # that you decided was too much to go over, and then have everything else after that work out great including replacements for everyone you wonít pay, isnít realistic.

I wouldnít pay Dak or Cooper in free agency to come to the Giants. But if they were here already and contributing to a team thatís a title contender, you have to do it. And the cheapest (and best) of the 3 is Zeke!
we will have a similar issue with Barkley  
mdc1 : 9/5/2019 7:08 pm : link
if he continues to perform.
You posted this for a reason  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 7:12 pm : link
yet Iím the ass. Jesus dude, get over yourself. If Barkley is the guy getting in the way of us signing other players to get to a Super Bowl Iíll eat my hand.
RE: we will have a similar issue with Barkley  
bw in dc : 9/5/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14560296 mdc1 said:
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if he continues to perform.


There is a way to hedge that. And that's to get the absolute most out of him for the next two years. Have him handle the rock at least 450X+ combined touches.
first off  
mdc1 : 9/5/2019 7:15 pm : link
my only comment is that Barkley will want to be paid handsomely and no different than other backs of this time. I could care less about your other complex angles on superbowls and stuff that is not within reality for this team.
RE: I'm sorry but the Cowboys have a very good team  
Milton : 9/5/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14560240 gidiefor said:
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and they've been building it the right way -- with mostly homegrown players. They've been drafting well and they've made some pretty savvy deals -- like the one that brought Amari Cooper over
They've made their share of mistakes as well and the jury isn't in yet on the Amari Cooper trade. I think the Giants take the division this year. Place your bets while there is still time.
sorry might not be intended for me, back to replies.  
mdc1 : 9/5/2019 7:17 pm : link
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/5/2019 7:20 pm : link
In comment 14560223 arcarsenal said:
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I remember reading these same stories about the Eagles year after year after year.

Well, guess what. The catastrophe never happened. They won a Super Bowl instead.

I know the real reason this is being posted is to support your take that RB's aren't worth paying - but until Dallas actually is in cap hell, it's really nothing but wishful thinking.

There are a lot of ways to maneuver the cap and the number is likely going to continue to rise.

I hope the Cowboys wind up stuck with no flexibility; but I've been reading these same stories about teams like Dallas and Philadelphia for what feels like eons now... and they continue to avoid having catastrophic cap issues and aren't losing key players.


For years now, I keep seeing people talk about Dallas ending up in 'salary cap hell' & yet...it never happens.
RE: McL...  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14560290 bw in dc said:
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Nothing really new there. The Boys will sign both Dak and Cooper. But that will make Jones expendable at corner, and they will gamble that the next two drafts are deep enough at corner to fill that spot. Jones, IMV, is a top 10 corner.

To me, this is what is wrong with this hideous cap system. Dallas focuses on the draft and absolutely kills it the last 5-6 years. Essentially, does it the "right way".

But because they did their job very well, they will get penalized and other teams will likely benefit. I'm all for FA for players, but it's an indictment to the system that the victors in this case don't get the possible benefit of the long term spoils.

The cap needs to be softer or eliminated.


You may be right, but I saw earlier that they had 22 mil under the cap, I'm not sure but I thought that was before Zeke. It might be tough to get Cooper and Prescott in under the remainder this year. Neither will be happpy this year without an extension, but I think the Cowboys are forced into that and trying to sign them in the off season.
If it weren't the fucking Cowboys I'd love to see them win a SB  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/5/2019 7:31 pm : link
just to put this fucking high paid running back nonsense to rest. The only other teams in the running are the Cards, Jets, and the Rams.
We  
AcidTest : 9/5/2019 7:35 pm : link
wish we had their headaches. As others have noted, they have this "problem" because they have drafted well. If they continue to do so, then they should be able to absorb the loss of several key players that the cap prevents them from resigning. They have also built their team by focusing on the lines, something Gettleman is doing with the Giants.
RE: How am I an ass?  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14560292 UConn4523 said:
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your solution isnít realistic. Not paying guys that (might) be overpaid just to say you stayed under some arbitrary # that you decided was too much to go over, and then have everything else after that work out great including replacements for everyone you wonít pay, isnít realistic.

I wouldnít pay Dak or Cooper in free agency to come to the Giants. But if they were here already and contributing to a team thatís a title contender, you have to do it. And the cheapest (and best) of the 3 is Zeke!


Whenever I post, you take some opposing position no matter how ridiculous and try to bait me.

I have not forgotten that you were the idiot who tried to lecture me of all people on the fact that incremental value and price are the same thing. And you went on for pages even though I posted excepts from books that are considered staples on the subject in the industry as well as stuff from Wikipedia that completely blew you up. Not to mention that it's my industry and I know it well. But you kept on going...

Its just who you are!

Normally I ignore you. For some reason today I felt obligated to remind you of what you are. Carry on.
McL...  
bw in dc : 9/5/2019 7:36 pm : link
Cooper has publicly said he's willing to wait until next offseason.
They are going to have to decide between Amari and Byron Jones  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/5/2019 7:39 pm : link
That is the real decision, or they could let Dak walk, which is what I would do if he doesn't show he is a top third QB under a new offensive coordinator, but I'm not magically expecting him to throw the ball accurately.
I never ignored position value  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 7:44 pm : link
in fact on the thread earlier today Iím the one reminding you that RBs make less than just about every other position in the NFL, thus proving I completely understand positional value. No idea what the fuck you are talking about.

And this thread is the bait, not my post. You saw an article that sided with your argument earlier and posted it. Then passed it off as ďohh I was just looking for the weatherĒ.

High horse, meet McL.
RE: McL...  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14560332 bw in dc said:
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Cooper has publicly said he's willing to wait until next offseason.


By the way I agree with you, that they have been well run and doing things the right way. They have done a fantastic job of drafting, replacing players as they age out, and retaining key contributors especially on the OL. If I were them, I would be pissed that the cap might cause us to lose some talent.
RE: I never ignored position value  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 7:50 pm : link
In comment 14560345 UConn4523 said:
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in fact on the thread earlier today Iím the one reminding you that RBs make less than just about every other position in the NFL, thus proving I completely understand positional value. No idea what the fuck you are talking about.

And this thread is the bait, not my post. You saw an article that sided with your argument earlier and posted it. Then passed it off as ďohh I was just looking for the weatherĒ.

High horse, meet McL.

Wow, just wow. After all this time you still don't know the difference between value and price.
Yup you got it  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 7:53 pm : link
whatever you say is gospel. You say a player is poor value, itís poor value. You are never wrong. Wish you ran this team.

Iíll look forward to the next predictable article you post about something everyone is already talking about.
RE: RE: I never ignored position value  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14560353 .McL. said:
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In comment 14560345 UConn4523 said:


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in fact on the thread earlier today Iím the one reminding you that RBs make less than just about every other position in the NFL, thus proving I completely understand positional value. No idea what the fuck you are talking about.

And this thread is the bait, not my post. You saw an article that sided with your argument earlier and posted it. Then passed it off as ďohh I was just looking for the weatherĒ.

High horse, meet McL.


Wow, just wow. After all this time you still don't know the difference between value and price.


And I never said to not pay Cooper, and I only agreed that they should pass on Dak AFTER the fact that they paid Zeke. But you had to make up some bullshit premise to try and bait me.
Naa, I added that in to poke some fun  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 8:00 pm : link
but if you would pay Cooper whatís that say about his positional value compared to the best at WR?

I understand the concept, I disagree with itís application as some hard rule, especially since you guys keep using arbitrary numbers like ď80% of productionĒ to prove a point.

I like to keep elite players at any position. The value the nfl puts on them is already baked into there cost. Zeke makes a dick hair more than Gurley and the next guy will inch out Zeke. ďShudderingĒ at what Barkley will make is funny to me because heís going to make slightly more than the guy before him.

Itís as simple as that. You donít have to agree with me, but save the lectures on concepts for someone else. Iíve never argued against the theory of positional value, I just donít necessarily agree with it or side with it to the extent you do.
The value the NFL puts  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 8:01 pm : link
on RBs*
If cowboys line breaks down, I think Dak's flaws become more obvious  
idinkido : 9/5/2019 8:09 pm : link
Dak too often misses open receivers. Put him under pressure, and his interceptions will go up. Dan is mobile, which, of course helps get him out of trouble, but at the same time, overuse of that tool makes him prone to injury.
RE: Naa, I added that in to poke some fun  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14560362 UConn4523 said:
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but if you would pay Cooper whatís that say about his positional value compared to the best at WR?

I understand the concept, I disagree with itís application as some hard rule, especially since you guys keep using arbitrary numbers like ď80% of productionĒ to prove a point.

I like to keep elite players at any position. The value the nfl puts on them is already baked into there cost. Zeke makes a dick hair more than Gurley and the next guy will inch out Zeke. ďShudderingĒ at what Barkley will make is funny to me because heís going to make slightly more than the guy before him.

Itís as simple as that. You donít have to agree with me, but save the lectures on concepts for someone else. Iíve never argued against the theory of positional value, I just donít necessarily agree with it or side with it to the extent you do.


Nahhh, you add bullshit in every single time. And you don't do it in some light hearted fun... You do it to bait and be the general ass that you are.

And you only do it when you have FMiC, arc and a few others posters on the same thread who you think will give you some cover.
No one is covering for me here  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 8:11 pm : link
so yeah, whatever you say boss.

You made the pat on the back thread, not me. I donít agree with you, live with it.
Peter keeps changing Dak's name to Dan  
idinkido : 9/5/2019 8:13 pm : link
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Great now computer changer Puter to Pater  
idinkido : 9/5/2019 8:14 pm : link
LOL, technology
I can't keep up with my computer constantly changing spellings  
idinkido : 9/5/2019 8:15 pm : link
,,,
Not sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/5/2019 8:15 pm : link
why I'm getting dragged into this.

Let's just say that as time goes by your assertion that the Giants are clueless when it comes to analytics is looking more and more foolish.

You've seemingly have dug into positions you held about analytics and of positional value and are going to fight them to the grave.

That's your choice, but don't be surprised when people call bullshit.
RE: Not sure..  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14560383 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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why I'm getting dragged into this.

Let's just say that as time goes by your assertion that the Giants are clueless when it comes to analytics is looking more and more foolish.

You've seemingly have dug into positions you held about analytics and of positional value and are going to fight them to the grave.

That's your choice, but don't be surprised when people call bullshit.

What I have said is that the all indications are that the Giants don't have the type or quantity of staff required to do the the type of advanced player analysis required for efficient roster construction. I pointed out that all we know about the Giants is one guy whose background was in hospital administration.

Where as there are other team like the Patriots where you can google and easily find that they have more than one team of computer science/machine learning experts, and people who have advanced degrees in statistical analysis and were successful as quants for investment managers. If I go on GitHub, I can find folks who post remark about their experience with various teams and have posted code to share with others (obviously stuff that was not considered Team IP). Nothing for the Giants.

You agreed that I made some strong points in this regard.

If you are trying to say that didn't happen, I can go back and find your comments on those threads.

I never meant to draw you into anything. I wasn't taking a shot at you guys... Just pointing out that UConn only posts after he sees you, arc, and/or a few other posters already taking an adversarial position with me, mostly because he just wants to pile on and doesn't add value.
Look..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/5/2019 8:46 pm : link
I don't want to take this off on a tangent, because you are certainly more level-headed than the guy who was hurling the Luddite moniker over and over, but you guys basically tore apart the idea that the Giants were using analytics because of the background you could find on the people running the program:

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What I have said is that the all indications are that the Giants don't have the type or quantity of staff required to do the the type of advanced player analysis required for efficient roster construction. I pointed out that all we know about the Giants is one guy whose background was in hospital administration.


It wasn't "all indications" - it was parsing through Tyseer Siam's resume to make assumptions on if he's capable - and it was making assumptions about the size of the staff.

My bigger argument was that Gettleman actually implemented the analytics program in Carolina and Brandon Beane did the same in Buffalo. I think you kept you commentary directed more at what the Giants were doing (or not supposedly doing) and stayed out of that part of the discussion.

I'm just not sure why I'm getting referenced in a thread I'm not participating in. UConn has been able to show time and again he's capable of handling his own discussions.
I wasnít first on the thread  
UConn4523 : 9/5/2019 8:47 pm : link
I would have made my initial post regardless. I donít need any other posters, this isnít some fraternity, itís a message board. The no value add was you posting this with no context at all, which is you patting yourself on the back. Usually when someone tries to add value when starting a thread they actually say something or describe whatís in the linked article.

But you know that. Just own it and be done with it.
RE: Look..  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 8:56 pm : link
In comment 14560443 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I don't want to take this off on a tangent, because you are certainly more level-headed than the guy who was hurling the Luddite moniker over and over, but you guys basically tore apart the idea that the Giants were using analytics because of the background you could find on the people running the program:



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What I have said is that the all indications are that the Giants don't have the type or quantity of staff required to do the the type of advanced player analysis required for efficient roster construction. I pointed out that all we know about the Giants is one guy whose background was in hospital administration.



It wasn't "all indications" - it was parsing through Tyseer Siam's resume to make assumptions on if he's capable - and it was making assumptions about the size of the staff.

My bigger argument was that Gettleman actually implemented the analytics program in Carolina and Brandon Beane did the same in Buffalo. I think you kept you commentary directed more at what the Giants were doing (or not supposedly doing) and stayed out of that part of the discussion.

I'm just not sure why I'm getting referenced in a thread I'm not participating in. UConn has been able to show time and again he's capable of handling his own discussions.

Yeah we are getting off on a bit of a tangent, but in my case it was more than just Ty Siam's resume. I search high and low for anything that would show that the Giants had any kind of staff doing this work.

I found plenty of Patriots, Eagles, Browns and a few other teams' footprints. If you have this sort of operation, it would be almost impossible to hide the footprint of it. The Giants have no footprint. That said, and I don't recall the exact details anymore, but I think it was only about a dozen or so other teams that I found, and I am pretty sure I made that comment then as well. I admit that the Giants are not the only ones that don't have such footprint, but that doesn't make it a good thing.
RE: RE: Look..  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 8:59 pm : link
In comment 14560466 .McL. said:
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Yeah we are getting off on a bit of a tangent, but in my case it was more than just Ty Siam's resume. I search high and low for anything that would show that the Giants had any kind of staff doing this work.

I found plenty of Patriots, Eagles, Browns and a few other teams' footprints. If you have this sort of operation, it would be almost impossible to hide the footprint of it. The Giants have no footprint. That said, and I don't recall the exact details anymore, but I think it was only about a dozen or so other teams that I found, and I am pretty sure I made that comment then as well. I admit that the Giants are not the only ones that don't have such footprint, but that doesn't make it a good thing.


To be clear, they don't have a footprint for anything other than what Ty Siam is doing, which is about player health metrics.
RE: I wasnít first on the thread  
.McL. : 9/5/2019 9:03 pm : link
In comment 14560444 UConn4523 said:
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I would have made my initial post regardless. I donít need any other posters, this isnít some fraternity, itís a message board. The no value add was you posting this with no context at all, which is you patting yourself on the back. Usually when someone tries to add value when starting a thread they actually say something or describe whatís in the linked article.

But you know that. Just own it and be done with it.

The thread/article title said it all...
People saw the other thread and immediately understood the situation, as I knew they would.
But yeah, notice the article is from CNN. I don't go to CNN for views on football analytics. It's a Bleacher report article, but you can only find it on CNN.
Cowboys are loaded right now ..  
Bluesbreaker : 9/5/2019 10:17 pm : link
Unfortunately for us is they are really a tough out for us .
Even with Barkley they are loaded at LB and they always
have solid safeties that tackle well
there WR's are good and there TE murdered us last year .
Zeke is a friggen load and Dak can be hot and cold but his ability to run helps them as well .
Its a big road test and a tough way to open the season .
Hopefully we make a game of it and prove that were not
the team of last year .
I am hoping that Dak get's a contract similar to Goff  
Jay on the Island : 9/6/2019 10:12 am : link
I think that will be the deal that the Cowboys regret. Paying Zeke makes more sense, as long as he stays out of trouble.

The Cowboys are a perfect example of what you can do when you draft right and have your starting QB under a rookie contract. The Giants will have up to four years after this one to pay others before they have to pay Jones, if Jones is as good as we hope.

The Giants have been accumulating young talent lately (Jones, Shepard, Engram, Hernandez, Barkley, Tomlinson, Hill, Lawrence, Carter, Baker, Love, Connelly, Haley) but they will have to continue to do so in order to be a contender. That and getting lucky with a few late round/undrafted FA's. Hopefully they have with Slayton, Ballentine, Ximines, Conrad, Chandler, Gates, Slade, McIntosh.

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