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Saos1n : 9/7/2019 11:58 am
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What is the  
cjac : 9/7/2019 12:36 pm : link
Draft pick ramification of this?
Long protracted lawsuit  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/7/2019 12:37 pm : link
Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
How soon does Nike offer him a deal ?  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/7/2019 12:37 pm : link
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They should have tried  
cjac : 9/7/2019 12:39 pm : link
Trading him to Cleveland for Odell

He wants t o be on the west coast anyway
RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
bw in dc : 9/7/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14562351 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV


Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB pissing away all of his guarantees is pretty hilarious.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/7/2019 12:47 pm : link
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They just said on the NFL Network that th Raiders players  
PatersonPlank : 9/7/2019 12:47 pm : link
are "relieved" that AB is gone. Its been a big distraction, and they feel their best practices have happened when he wasn't there.
RE: I wonder if...  
Les in TO : 9/7/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14562288 bw in dc said:
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Carroll and Seattle would make a move here?

They could use receiver help for sure...
Carroll managed Lynch who was also a headcase do not out of the realm of possibility
The  
Les in TO : 9/7/2019 12:50 pm : link
Pats are probably doing their diligence right now. They havenít had a true deep threat like Brown since Moss.
Pats haven't won all those superbowls  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/7/2019 12:53 pm : link
by being stupid...
RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/7/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14562362 FranchiseQB said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV



Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.



AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.


AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
FranchiseQB : 9/7/2019 1:00 pm : link
In comment 14562389 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV



Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.



AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.



AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.

i'm a troll because i think AB will get money from the raiders? That's a stretch. The contract is not voided until a court, jury or mediator says so. It's not voided because the raiders say so. It might eventually be voided. I am not a troll for pointing that out.

And another thing. This game you play where you keep referring to me as some person's dupe. yea... you are not good at that game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/7/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14562389 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV



Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.



AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.



AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.


True.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/7/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14562414 FranchiseQB said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.

Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV



Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.



AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.



AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.



True.


not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.


You have no clue what you are talking about. He wanted to be released, he caused multiple problems at practice and with the GM. He pissed away his guarantees. Deal with it, "FranchiseQB."
I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that  
PatersonPlank : 9/7/2019 1:15 pm : link
if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
markky : 9/7/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14562414 FranchiseQB said:
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not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.


Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.
RE: I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that  
Strahan91 : 9/7/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14562418 PatersonPlank said:
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if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?

there is but an independent arbitrator can rule on whether or not his behavior was determined to be "detrimental". I have no idea which side will win that one but I don't think it's a sure thing either way.
RE: The  
mattlawson : 9/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14562380 Les in TO said:
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Pats are probably doing their diligence right now. They havenít had a true deep threat like Brown since Moss.


And they donít need them. They use underneath crossing routes almost exclusively to stretch the defense out and wear people down.
RE: to place tebow in any way in the company of problem children...  
mrvax : 9/7/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14562293 Torrag said:
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like Brown and Kaepernick is about as dumb a comparison as can be made. What was Tebow's issue off the field? That he had too much character? His only issue was he's not a good enough QB.


I agree. His heart was there but so was his windup when he threw a pass. No good at the NFL level.
RE: I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/7/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14562418 PatersonPlank said:
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if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?


Bingo. He screwed himself.
RE: RE: I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that  
shyster : 9/7/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14562425 FranchiseQB said:
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if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?



we don't know what his contract says.


PFT did get a copy of his contract and they were the ones who reported that his "signing bonus" was actually an attendance bonus and that he didn't get a dime from the Raiders.

Lawsuit isn't out of the question, but AB did Raiders a favor in that regard by asking for release from contract rather than seeking to have contract enforced to his benefit.
'It's not voided because the raiders say so'...  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 1:29 pm : link
It's voided by the contract he himself signed. The voiding of guarantees was triggered when he reached the threshold level of fines. Is anyone seriously suggesting the fines were invalid or unwarranted under the current CBA rules?

Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.
Hard Knocks may help the Raiders  
AcesUp : 9/7/2019 1:35 pm : link
They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.
RE: 'It's not voided because the raiders say so'...  
Strahan91 : 9/7/2019 1:37 pm : link
In comment 14562449 Torrag said:
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It's voided by the contract he himself signed. The voiding of guarantees was triggered when he reached the threshold level of fines. Is anyone seriously suggesting the fines were invalid or unwarranted under the current CBA rules?

Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.

He wonít need to sue at least at first. The union will file a grievance. The Raiders have to prove conduct detrimental to the team which means a documented track record of incidents deemed fitting for tearing up $30M in guarantees. Of course, it seems like that will be easy but when exactly they began documenting the incidents and how an arbitrator will rule based on whether or not those incidents are considered enough to void the money isnít black and white.
Holy fuck  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/7/2019 1:40 pm : link
who gives a shit how much he is going to get paid?
RE: Hard Knocks may help the Raiders  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/7/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14562459 AcesUp said:
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They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.


That will help, too. He's fucked.
You have to be stupid  
mrvax : 9/7/2019 1:43 pm : link
to piss away $30M for 2 years of work. Careers are short in the NFL. You can't keep quiet, collect your cash, get a bit older, retire and then piss and moan at nauseum?

I just don't get it. "Stupid" is the only thing I can think of to explain AB's behavior.

I just hope some desperate team doesn't step in and bail his stupid ass out.
State Farm  
cjac : 9/7/2019 1:46 pm : link
Keeps running those ads with Aaron Rodgers in the idiotic agent. Theyíre getting it backwards. His should get Drew Rosenhaus in those ads with an idiotic football player.
RE: Holy fuck  
Reale01 : 9/7/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14562465 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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who gives a shit how much he is going to get paid?


+1
RE: Hard Knocks may help the Raiders  
Strahan91 : 9/7/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14562459 AcesUp said:
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They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.

On the flip side, we now know that Brown records his phone calls. We know Gruden has undermined Mayock before and he's not the brightest bulb clearly. Would it be surprising at all if Brown recorded him saying something that they later went back on like the latest fines?
RE: The  
V.I.G. : 9/7/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14562380 Les in TO said:
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Pats are probably doing their diligence right now. They havenít had a true deep threat like Brown since Moss.

They did their diligence weeks ago. And then cornered the market for every secondhand AB helmet built in the last 10 years.
If he ended up in Washington how nuts would that be  
GiantSteps : 9/7/2019 2:13 pm : link
A Gruden on Gruden crime!
He's  
AcidTest : 9/7/2019 2:29 pm : link
a head case who just lost $29 - $50 million apparently. But I agree that someone will take a chance on him.
Sign with dallas  
micky : 9/7/2019 3:12 pm : link
Then limited playing tomorrow 3 tds lolol

Jk
FWIW, the false Tebow-Kaepernick equivalence is popular on 4chan.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/7/2019 3:16 pm : link
As in, ĎThey were both punished for their beliefs and for speaking out.Ē If you overlook a few inconvenient facts like Tebow sucking at professional football, itís a pretty good argument.

With regard to AB, Iím never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.
Unbelievable selfishness  
ghost718 : 9/7/2019 3:16 pm : link
Basically the guy threw it all away because they couldn't meet his needs.
RE: FWIW, the false Tebow-Kaepernick equivalence is popular on 4chan.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/7/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14562565 Big Blue Blogger said:
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As in, ĎThey were both punished for their beliefs and for speaking out.Ē If you overlook a few inconvenient facts like Tebow sucking at professional football, itís a pretty good argument.

With regard to AB, Iím never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.

We Giants fan literally have seen that.
Maybe AB's heart is not in it.  
Glover : 9/7/2019 3:30 pm : link
He seems like a head case by his behavior, and OUR expectations for how professional athletes should behave, but maybe he's just not that into playing football anymore, and this is his way of getting out. Maybe he's looking at his assets and saying to himself: "fuck these MFers"
Just maybe.
RE: I actually donít understand this  
Emlen'sGremlins : 9/7/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14562314 Bill L said:
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Yesterday gruden was saying they moved on, AB had apologized and he was playing on Monday.

What changed?



What changed? Oh, I don't know. Possibly Mayock having a discussion with Gruden about him leaving because the inmates were being allowed to run the asylum.
maybe he's just not that into playing football anymore  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 3:34 pm : link
pffftt
What a Jack ass ..!  
Bluesbreaker : 9/7/2019 3:42 pm : link
I hope he gets nothing .
Thought Odell was a PITA but this guy is clearly
not playing with a full deck .
I hope he doesn't come to the NFC East .
Picks  
Gruber : 9/7/2019 3:43 pm : link
Raiders might have done the right thing, but they gave up a 3rd and a 5th pick for this idiot. They ain't getting those back. Well done, Pittsburgh.
There are two sides to every story  
HomerJones45 : 9/7/2019 4:01 pm : link
Brown has been a warrior on the field and has put up unbelievable numbers. He didn't suddenly lose his mind. Maybe he's not 100% physically, maybe he's afraid he won't live up to the contract, maybe Mayock is an total asshole, maybe promises were made to him that have gone unfulfilled, maybe his family hated Oakland, maybe he got out there and decided the team was a disorganized mess. We don't know.

Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Long protracted lawsuit  
bw in dc : 9/7/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14562422 markky said:
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Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.


This is pretty spot on.

From ESPN:

The Raiders fined Brown $215,073.53 for conduct detrimental to the team, league sources told Schefter on Saturday.

By fining Brown, the Raiders voided the $29.125 million worth of guaranteed money in his deal, sources told Schefter.

In addition, the Raiders sent Brown a letter stating that he no longer will be entitled to termination pay, sources told Schefter. As a result, Brown would have been playing on a week-to-week basis with both his guaranteed money voided and lack of termination pay.
RE: Picks  
Strahan91 : 9/7/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14562601 Gruber said:
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Raiders might have done the right thing, but they gave up a 3rd and a 5th pick for this idiot. They ain't getting those back. Well done, Pittsburgh.

Don't forget a year earlier they gave Pittsburgh a 3rd rounder for Martavis Bryant. Gruden is a total disaster.
'He didn't suddenly lose his mind.'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 4:17 pm : link
I agree he's been getting progressively worse in his behavior for a long time now.

The rest of your post is akin to apologist drivel though TBH.
AB will probably be on his best behavior  
Vanzetti : 9/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
for whoever signs him this year

But he is a ticking time bomb
RE: There are two sides to every story  
Strahan91 : 9/7/2019 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14562621 HomerJones45 said:
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Brown has been a warrior on the field and has put up unbelievable numbers. He didn't suddenly lose his mind. Maybe he's not 100% physically, maybe he's afraid he won't live up to the contract, maybe Mayock is an total asshole, maybe promises were made to him that have gone unfulfilled, maybe his family hated Oakland, maybe he got out there and decided the team was a disorganized mess. We don't know.

Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.

Brown is clearly off and has been dating back to last season (as far as we know). With that being said, the Raiders voted Vontaze Burflict team captain and signed Richie Incognito in the offseason. To assume they have no hand in this and give them the benefit of the doubt is laughable.
'and give them the benefit of the doubt is laughable.'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 4:46 pm : link
Give them the benefit of the doubt for what? Oakland has always been a haven for troubled players. That is true going back to Al Davis and they should be applauded for it. That said not every player is either smart or controlled enough to get their act together and take advantage of the opportunity.

So far Incogniti and Burfict have and Brown didn't. They are each personally responsible for their own actions. The Raiders have responded accordingly.
RE: seriously jeff?  
djm : 9/7/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14562279 Torrag said:
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With everything that just went down with odell and watching this fuckstick go thermonuclear with the raiders you'd sign him? LOL people just never learn.


Not only that but blame the giants for not kicking the tires. I actually would investigate it but heís beyond diva crazy at this point.
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