With everything that just went down with odell and watching this fuckstick go thermonuclear with the raiders you'd sign him? LOL people just never learn.
albeit in different circumstances, couldn't stick in the NFL in some form largely because they were "distractions," I don't care how good AB is, what team would want to deal with this headache?
With everything that just went down with odell and watching this fuckstick go thermonuclear with the raiders you'd sign him? LOL people just never learn.
like Brown and Kaepernick is about as dumb a comparison as can be made. What was Tebow's issue off the field? That he had too much character? His only issue was he's not a good enough QB.
With everything that just went down with odell and watching this fuckstick go thermonuclear with the raiders you'd sign him? LOL people just never learn.
OBJ wasn’t nearly half the problem AB is. Nor was he even as bad as people make him out to be.
albeit in different circumstances, couldn't stick in the NFL in some form largely because they were "distractions," I don't care how good AB is, what team would want to deal with this headache?
I don't know if Tebow or Kap were distractions vs. Not very good.
Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
i'm a troll because i think AB will get money from the raiders? That's a stretch. The contract is not voided until a court, jury or mediator says so. It's not voided because the raiders say so. It might eventually be voided. I am not a troll for pointing that out.
And another thing. This game you play where you keep referring to me as some person's dupe. yea... you are not good at that game.
Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
True.
not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.
You have no clue what you are talking about. He wanted to be released, he caused multiple problems at practice and with the GM. He pissed away his guarantees. Deal with it, "FranchiseQB."
I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that Â
not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.
Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.
RE: I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that Â
if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?
there is but an independent arbitrator can rule on whether or not his behavior was determined to be "detrimental". I have no idea which side will win that one but I don't think it's a sure thing either way.
like Brown and Kaepernick is about as dumb a comparison as can be made. What was Tebow's issue off the field? That he had too much character? His only issue was he's not a good enough QB.
I agree. His heart was there but so was his windup when he threw a pass. No good at the NFL level.
RE: I thought there was language in his contract regarding the fact that Â
if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?
we don't know what his contract says.
PFT did get a copy of his contract and they were the ones who reported that his "signing bonus" was actually an attendance bonus and that he didn't get a dime from the Raiders.
Lawsuit isn't out of the question, but AB did Raiders a favor in that regard by asking for release from contract rather than seeking to have contract enforced to his benefit.
It's voided by the contract he himself signed. The voiding of guarantees was triggered when he reached the threshold level of fines. Is anyone seriously suggesting the fines were invalid or unwarranted under the current CBA rules?
Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.
They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.
RE: 'It's not voided because the raiders say so'... Â
It's voided by the contract he himself signed. The voiding of guarantees was triggered when he reached the threshold level of fines. Is anyone seriously suggesting the fines were invalid or unwarranted under the current CBA rules?
Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.
He won’t need to sue at least at first. The union will file a grievance. The Raiders have to prove conduct detrimental to the team which means a documented track record of incidents deemed fitting for tearing up $30M in guarantees. Of course, it seems like that will be easy but when exactly they began documenting the incidents and how an arbitrator will rule based on whether or not those incidents are considered enough to void the money isn’t black and white.
They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.
to piss away $30M for 2 years of work. Careers are short in the NFL. You can't keep quiet, collect your cash, get a bit older, retire and then piss and moan at nauseum?
I just don't get it. "Stupid" is the only thing I can think of to explain AB's behavior.
I just hope some desperate team doesn't step in and bail his stupid ass out.
Keeps running those ads with Aaron Rodgers in the idiotic agent. They’re getting it backwards. His should get Drew Rosenhaus in those ads with an idiotic football player.
They have to prove that AB displayed conduct detrimental to the team. Beyond the shit that AB willingly put out in the world himself, those Hard Knocks cameras were rolling non-stop during camp. We got the watered down propaganda on HBO but I'm sure those cameras caught some things that would help the Raiders case.
On the flip side, we now know that Brown records his phone calls. We know Gruden has undermined Mayock before and he's not the brightest bulb clearly. Would it be surprising at all if Brown recorded him saying something that they later went back on like the latest fines?
As in, ‘They were both punished for their beliefs and for speaking out.” If you overlook a few inconvenient facts like Tebow sucking at professional football, it’s a pretty good argument.
With regard to AB, I’m never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.
As in, ‘They were both punished for their beliefs and for speaking out.” If you overlook a few inconvenient facts like Tebow sucking at professional football, it’s a pretty good argument.
With regard to AB, I’m never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.
He seems like a head case by his behavior, and OUR expectations for how professional athletes should behave, but maybe he's just not that into playing football anymore, and this is his way of getting out. Maybe he's looking at his assets and saying to himself: "fuck these MFers"
Just maybe.
Yesterday gruden was saying they moved on, AB had apologized and he was playing on Monday.
What changed?
What changed? Oh, I don't know. Possibly Mayock having a discussion with Gruden about him leaving because the inmates were being allowed to run the asylum.
maybe he's just not that into playing football anymore Â
Brown has been a warrior on the field and has put up unbelievable numbers. He didn't suddenly lose his mind. Maybe he's not 100% physically, maybe he's afraid he won't live up to the contract, maybe Mayock is an total asshole, maybe promises were made to him that have gone unfulfilled, maybe his family hated Oakland, maybe he got out there and decided the team was a disorganized mess. We don't know.
Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.
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Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.
This is pretty spot on.
From ESPN:
The Raiders fined Brown $215,073.53 for conduct detrimental to the team, league sources told Schefter on Saturday.
By fining Brown, the Raiders voided the $29.125 million worth of guaranteed money in his deal, sources told Schefter.
In addition, the Raiders sent Brown a letter stating that he no longer will be entitled to termination pay, sources told Schefter. As a result, Brown would have been playing on a week-to-week basis with both his guaranteed money voided and lack of termination pay.
Brown has been a warrior on the field and has put up unbelievable numbers. He didn't suddenly lose his mind. Maybe he's not 100% physically, maybe he's afraid he won't live up to the contract, maybe Mayock is an total asshole, maybe promises were made to him that have gone unfulfilled, maybe his family hated Oakland, maybe he got out there and decided the team was a disorganized mess. We don't know.
Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.
Brown is clearly off and has been dating back to last season (as far as we know). With that being said, the Raiders voted Vontaze Burflict team captain and signed Richie Incognito in the offseason. To assume they have no hand in this and give them the benefit of the doubt is laughable.
'and give them the benefit of the doubt is laughable.' Â
Give them the benefit of the doubt for what? Oakland has always been a haven for troubled players. That is true going back to Al Davis and they should be applauded for it. That said not every player is either smart or controlled enough to get their act together and take advantage of the opportunity.
So far Incogniti and Burfict have and Brown didn't. They are each personally responsible for their own actions. The Raiders have responded accordingly.
With everything that just went down with odell and watching this fuckstick go thermonuclear with the raiders you'd sign him? LOL people just never learn.
Not only that but blame the giants for not kicking the tires. I actually would investigate it but he’s beyond diva crazy at this point.
I would. They won’t.
Yes.
Dial him up DG.
Gett el done!
They could use receiver help for sure...
They don’t have the money anyway
OBJ wasn’t nearly half the problem AB is. Nor was he even as bad as people make him out to be.
I don't know if Tebow or Kap were distractions vs. Not very good.
That's the other issue. It's one thing to sign him, who would guarantee his contract?
Did you put your jersey order in yet?
What changed?
None.
Raiders save 14 million on cap.
What changed?
I think the Raiders upped the ante with the fines.
What changed?
They fined him, which voided his contract guarantees. Apparently this morning he asked to be released bc if that.
What changed?
Oakland fined him and took away all of his guarantees for the whole thing and then he took to Instagram and asked to be released.
What changed?
And a lot of money
Next question. ;)
Hahahaha
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
He wants t o be on the west coast anyway
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
They could use receiver help for sure...
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
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In comment 14562351 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
i'm a troll because i think AB will get money from the raiders? That's a stretch. The contract is not voided until a court, jury or mediator says so. It's not voided because the raiders say so. It might eventually be voided. I am not a troll for pointing that out.
And another thing. This game you play where you keep referring to me as some person's dupe. yea... you are not good at that game.
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
True.
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Coming up. Raiders and NFL PA kind of both need to do this.
Raiders breach of conduct and NFLPA fighting for their client. Love to see AB in court. Must see TV
Probably right about the process. But I think the Raiders have a pretty airtight case here.
AB is going to get some of those guarantees. I would bet money on it. A team can't just unilaterally decide a player is in breach and pull guarantees. The world doesnt work that way. I bet the Raiders have a number in mind to buy out the contract. Maybe it doesnt get to court, but AB will play for someone else and he will be paid by the Raiders, in part, to do so.
AB gets nothing you troll just go away. He got like $600k in his signing bonus. The rest is voided now. No stop ruining this place with your troll dupeness.
True.
not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.
You have no clue what you are talking about. He wanted to be released, he caused multiple problems at practice and with the GM. He pissed away his guarantees. Deal with it, "FranchiseQB."
not true.. that's not how contract law works. i don't know what world you live in where an employer can unilaterally tear up a contract and not pay guarantees to someone who has the financial resources to challenge it.
Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.
there is but an independent arbitrator can rule on whether or not his behavior was determined to be "detrimental". I have no idea which side will win that one but I don't think it's a sure thing either way.
And they don’t need them. They use underneath crossing routes almost exclusively to stretch the defense out and wear people down.
I agree. His heart was there but so was his windup when he threw a pass. No good at the NFL level.
Bingo. He screwed himself.
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if he got fined then his money would no longer be guaranteed (I read something along those lines)?
we don't know what his contract says.
PFT did get a copy of his contract and they were the ones who reported that his "signing bonus" was actually an attendance bonus and that he didn't get a dime from the Raiders.
Lawsuit isn't out of the question, but AB did Raiders a favor in that regard by asking for release from contract rather than seeking to have contract enforced to his benefit.
Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.
Of course he can sue but the CBA and his contract set the parameters. He will lose.
He won’t need to sue at least at first. The union will file a grievance. The Raiders have to prove conduct detrimental to the team which means a documented track record of incidents deemed fitting for tearing up $30M in guarantees. Of course, it seems like that will be easy but when exactly they began documenting the incidents and how an arbitrator will rule based on whether or not those incidents are considered enough to void the money isn’t black and white.
That will help, too. He's fucked.
I just don't get it. "Stupid" is the only thing I can think of to explain AB's behavior.
I just hope some desperate team doesn't step in and bail his stupid ass out.
+1
On the flip side, we now know that Brown records his phone calls. We know Gruden has undermined Mayock before and he's not the brightest bulb clearly. Would it be surprising at all if Brown recorded him saying something that they later went back on like the latest fines?
They did their diligence weeks ago. And then cornered the market for every secondhand AB helmet built in the last 10 years.
Jk
With regard to AB, I’m never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.
With regard to AB, I’m never happy to see an elite athlete blow himself up. The NFL is much more entertaining when the best players are playing.
We Giants fan literally have seen that.
Just maybe.
What changed?
What changed? Oh, I don't know. Possibly Mayock having a discussion with Gruden about him leaving because the inmates were being allowed to run the asylum.
Thought Odell was a PITA but this guy is clearly
not playing with a full deck .
I hope he doesn't come to the NFC East .
Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.
Not an expert, but I don't think the Raiders are just "tearing up the contract". I think (as prescribed in CBA) the guarantees in the contract void if the player is fined. So this is already prescribed in a governing agreement. Of course all of this can be challenged in court.
This is pretty spot on.
From ESPN:
The Raiders fined Brown $215,073.53 for conduct detrimental to the team, league sources told Schefter on Saturday.
By fining Brown, the Raiders voided the $29.125 million worth of guaranteed money in his deal, sources told Schefter.
In addition, the Raiders sent Brown a letter stating that he no longer will be entitled to termination pay, sources told Schefter. As a result, Brown would have been playing on a week-to-week basis with both his guaranteed money voided and lack of termination pay.
Don't forget a year earlier they gave Pittsburgh a 3rd rounder for Martavis Bryant. Gruden is a total disaster.
The rest of your post is akin to apologist drivel though TBH.
But he is a ticking time bomb
Fans of shitty teams are all about "good character" and that amazing locker room experience. At least they have something good to say as their team takes a shellacking. It may shock you to know that some of the greatest New York teams of all time had assholes in the locker room.
Brown is clearly off and has been dating back to last season (as far as we know). With that being said, the Raiders voted Vontaze Burflict team captain and signed Richie Incognito in the offseason. To assume they have no hand in this and give them the benefit of the doubt is laughable.
So far Incogniti and Burfict have and Brown didn't. They are each personally responsible for their own actions. The Raiders have responded accordingly.
Not only that but blame the giants for not kicking the tires. I actually would investigate it but he’s beyond diva crazy at this point.