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Big Rick in FL : 9/7/2019 4:59 pm
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It sets a bad precedent  
Gman11 : 9/7/2019 5:21 pm : link
Now all guys have to do is insult the GM and act like a lunatic so they can sign with another team.
RE: It sets a bad precedent  
terz22 : 9/7/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14562733 Gman11 said:
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Now all guys have to do is insult the GM and act like a lunatic so they can sign with another team.


Seriously something you'd see in the NBA or something.
RE: ...  
bw in dc : 9/7/2019 5:22 pm : link
In comment 14562726 Eric from BBI said:
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The NFL is getting weird.


It'll be WWE when Brown explodes on the sideline with anger wafter Brady misses him and Belichick calmly walks over and Tasers Brown...
'This is fishy as hell'...  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:24 pm : link
It really isn't. He went scorched earth in oakland over the helmet and the fines. It happens when you have unstable people in your organization. It's their nature to be unpredictable.

Bill will have no more control over whether Brown keeps it together than anyone else. Why? Because anything can be the match that starts his fire. It doesn't need to be rational or justified. It just has to happen.

So we'll have to wait and see what happens in new england. If he pulls the same junk he did in oakland the results will be the same. He'll be on the street earning no money. 'Guarantee' or not in the NFL if you violate the CBA or contractual language you don't get paid.
RE: RE: RE: Every called this.  
MetsAreBack : 9/7/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14562725 bw in dc said:
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This is fishy as hell and probably pre-meditated by both camps but the Raiders are really a bunch of assclowns for not suspending brown a few weeks instead of pulling this, and the trade to begin with and Mayock in general is completely in over his head in the role. He’s Matt Millen bad at this.



This isn't on Mayock. It's on the $10M Man - Gruden. Mayock is essentially the CPA and Chief Compliance Officer for Gruden...


Mayock is the idiot who decided to fine AB 65k for missing meaningless practices in August when he’s been in the league over a decade. Did the cowboys fine Zeke and make him go game to game this year for skipping the entire camp?

It’s a Mickey Mouse, cheap organization with a GM way out of his depth. It’s not like anyone loved their draft this year either. Yes Gruden Bears some responsibility here too but he did come across as on ABs side throughout all the helmet etc issues - mayock continuously antagonized
I wonder  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/7/2019 5:24 pm : link
If obj will learn anything from this.
RE: Ocho Cinco was a bust for the Patriots, too.  
djm : 9/7/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14562732 Mr. Bungle said:
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Not all their moves work out.


Ocho was stinko done when he went to the pats. Brown isn’t physically done not by a long shot. He will go nuts this year for the pats probably on and off the field. But he’s going to produce big.
Glad he didn't land in the NFCE  
GiantSteps : 9/7/2019 5:25 pm : link
but pissed he went to the Pats. That's an insane receiving corps.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Every called this.  
Jay on the Island : 9/7/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14562739 MetsAreBack said:
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This is fishy as hell and probably pre-meditated by both camps but the Raiders are really a bunch of assclowns for not suspending brown a few weeks instead of pulling this, and the trade to begin with and Mayock in general is completely in over his head in the role. He’s Matt Millen bad at this.



This isn't on Mayock. It's on the $10M Man - Gruden. Mayock is essentially the CPA and Chief Compliance Officer for Gruden...



Mayock is the idiot who decided to fine AB 65k for missing meaningless practices in August when he’s been in the league over a decade. Did the cowboys fine Zeke and make him go game to game this year for skipping the entire camp?

It’s a Mickey Mouse, cheap organization with a GM way out of his depth. It’s not like anyone loved their draft this year either. Yes Gruden Bears some responsibility here too but he did come across as on ABs side throughout all the helmet etc issues - mayock continuously antagonized

Mayock is the idiot? JFC
welcome to the future  
wigs in nyc : 9/7/2019 5:27 pm : link
give people the ability to choose their own destiny, or they will find their own way to choose it.

NFL is gonna be the binary land of 1-year deals and huge cap-breaking overpays and nothing in between. I think we’re also done seeing skill-players fight through injuries
Bill doesn't care about  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/7/2019 5:27 pm : link
his locker room. He cares about talent apparently.
'the idiot who decided to fine AB 65k'...  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:27 pm : link
You have no idea how to run an organization. Seriously you are clueless. If a team doesn't have accountability it doesn't win games. If Brown tries anything like this in new england or anywhere else the result will be the same. He'll be on the sidewalk. Think.
RE: Bill doesn't care about  
Vanzetti : 9/7/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14562746 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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his locker room. He cares about talent apparently.


Bill not following the sage advice on BBI
RE: RE: RE: RE: Every called this.  
bw in dc : 9/7/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14562739 MetsAreBack said:
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Mayock is the idiot who decided to fine AB 65k for missing meaningless practices in August when he’s been in the league over a decade. Did the cowboys fine Zeke and make him go game to game this year for skipping the entire camp?

It’s a Mickey Mouse, cheap organization with a GM way out of his depth. It’s not like anyone loved their draft this year either. Yes Gruden Bears some responsibility here too but he did come across as on ABs side throughout all the helmet etc issues - mayock continuously antagonized


I can certainly see your point. But what if it was a good cop/bad cap move where Gruden tells Mayock to fine him; and Gruden completes the ruse by gathering around the press to tell them how much he loves AB?

Do you really think Gruden didn't sign off on those fines?
'go nuts this year for the pats probably on and off the field.'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:29 pm : link
Are you suggesting if he doesn't show for practices and disrespects the FO Bill will keep him around? He won't.
RE: welcome to the future  
Vanzetti : 9/7/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14562745 wigs in nyc said:
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give people the ability to choose their own destiny, or they will find their own way to choose it.

NFL is gonna be the binary land of 1-year deals and huge cap-breaking overpays and nothing in between. I think we’re also done seeing skill-players fight through injuries


And the world is going to end in 12 years
It's simple for Belichick  
Motley Two : 9/7/2019 5:30 pm : link
Either AB works out or Bill cuts him
Of course  
Cenotaph : 9/7/2019 5:32 pm : link
And i bet the antics stop here, and he goes on to put up 1000 yards...
Belichick is obviously following the NY Giant approach  
Jimmy Googs : 9/7/2019 5:32 pm : link
(and often BBI-posted apporach) and added a good locker-room guys that help with the culture...
RE: RE: It sets a bad precedent  
DonQuixote : 9/7/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14562734 terz22 said:
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Now all guys have to do is insult the GM and act like a lunatic so they can sign with another team.



Seriously something you'd see in the NBA or something.


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Another click in the ratchet ...
DonQuixote : 5:09 pm : link : reply
... that is moving the NFL toward the NBA model.
'Bill not following the sage advice on BBI'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:33 pm : link
No, Bill thinks he can get the guy to be relatively calm and play football. Just like the Giants tried to do with odell. Sometimes it doesn't work.

The only control over player behavior a team has is where it draws the line in the sand. In other words give them enough rope and see what happens.
Only players  
adambear : 9/7/2019 5:34 pm : link
of Brown's talent can pull something like this off (if he's truly crazy like a fox)

And only teams like the Pats can take risks like this.

This isn't a new precedent. This is just an anomaly.
Belichick having visions of giving Antonio a big bear hug  
ghost718 : 9/7/2019 5:34 pm : link
during a Jets blowout
Think this bites them  
AcesUp : 9/7/2019 5:35 pm : link
But I imagine they won't put up with a fraction of the outward crazy that the Raiders have. It's a bigger gamble than some of their other moves.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Every called this.  
MetsAreBack : 9/7/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14562750 bw in dc said:
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Mayock is the idiot who decided to fine AB 65k for missing meaningless practices in August when he’s been in the league over a decade. Did the cowboys fine Zeke and make him go game to game this year for skipping the entire camp?

It’s a Mickey Mouse, cheap organization with a GM way out of his depth. It’s not like anyone loved their draft this year either. Yes Gruden Bears some responsibility here too but he did come across as on ABs side throughout all the helmet etc issues - mayock continuously antagonized



I can certainly see your point. But what if it was a good cop/bad cap move where Gruden tells Mayock to fine him; and Gruden completes the ruse by gathering around the press to tell them how much he loves AB?

Do you really think Gruden didn't sign off on those fines?


It’s hard to know the politics of whats going on out there. But when you antagonize a star non qb player all summer (and give up a third for him during the spring when no one else was interested in acquiring him), then fine and cut him - 4 hours later the GOAT signs the same player for 15 mil, 9 mil in signing bonus — you look and are waaaay out of your depth

Matt Millen II

Gruden definitely looks stupid here too. The whole organization is an embarrassment
RE: It's simple for Belichick  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14562755 Motley Two said:
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Either AB works out or Bill cuts him


just like Mayock. Wasn't it simple for him too?
RE: It's simple for Belichick  
Vanzetti : 9/7/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14562755 Motley Two said:
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Either AB works out or Bill cuts him


Ten million guaranteed.
'the antics stop here, and he goes on to put up 1000 yards...'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:36 pm : link
It could play out that way. It looked like Moss was headed to football purgatory but he calmed his act down when he went to new england.

Personally I think Brown is more unstable than Moss and this one will be a headache for Bill that doesn't end well. It's all guess work though.
Patriots  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 5:38 pm : link
only have $9M in space, I wonder how they make this work.

Maybe IR Demaryius Thomas.
RE: Wow  
EricJ : 9/7/2019 5:38 pm : link
In comment 14562673 BillT said:
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Some here called that.


yeah I did in one of the fantasy football threads. Someone was being offered a trade for AB and I told the guy to hold onto him because he will end up on the Patriots
RE: It's simple for Belichick  
micky : 9/7/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14562755 Motley Two said:
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Either AB works out or Bill cuts him


That's the bottomline no one gets
'Ten million guaranteed.'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:39 pm : link
You don't pay attention very well. It's not guaranteed if he screws up and is a bad citizen there. He only gets his money if he plays by the rules.

If he was willing and able to do that he'd still be in oakland. Maybe he's worried enough about earning that $15M that he'll show up, shut up and play. We'll see.
RE: 'Bill not following the sage advice on BBI'  
Vanzetti : 9/7/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14562761 Torrag said:
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No, Bill thinks he can get the guy to be relatively calm and play football. Just like the Giants tried to do with odell. Sometimes it doesn't work.

The only control over player behavior a team has is where it draws the line in the sand. In other words give them enough rope and see what happens.


I think Bill is gambling that AB will be on his best behavior to prove everyone wrong

I was referring to BBI diagnosing him with CTE or tracing his problems to his childhood.
RE: Belichick is obviously following the NY Giant approach  
Cenotaph : 9/7/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14562758 Jimmy Googs said:
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(and often BBI-posted apporach) and added a good locker-room guys that help with the culture...


C'mon, this is obviously a dice roll for NE, and they are maybe the one team in the league where they can make these situations work - having a coach like Bill B and QB like Brady can help fix some of those 'culture' issues...and if the antics keep up, Belichick will cut him too.

The fines were a fairly standard deal, and AB freaked out for no reason. Maybe he wanted to be cut. But most teams can't handle distractions like this - they can drag the whole team down, hell look at PIT last year....
According to an earlier post of cap space for all 32 teams  
12aob : 9/7/2019 5:42 pm : link
the Pats had less than $5 million in space. How do they find the extra diapers for this???
'I was referring to BBI diagnosing him'  
Torrag : 9/7/2019 5:43 pm : link
Fair enough. From what I've observed he doesn't seem to have it all together right now. Fear of losing $15M would make me behave better too though. We'll see.
RE: RE: Belichick is obviously following the NY Giant approach  
Jimmy Googs : 9/7/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14562778 Cenotaph said:
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In comment 14562758 Jimmy Googs said:


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(and often BBI-posted apporach) and added a good locker-room guys that help with the culture...



C'mon, this is obviously a dice roll for NE, and they are maybe the one team in the league where they can make these situations work - having a coach like Bill B and QB like Brady can help fix some of those 'culture' issues...and if the antics keep up, Belichick will cut him too.



Uh, ya' think? You missed the point...
RE: RE: It's simple for Belichick  
pjcas18 : 9/7/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14562773 micky said:
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Either AB works out or Bill cuts him



That's the bottomline no one gets


Pretty sure everyone gets this.

the Raiders just cut him painlessly - more painlessly than the Patriots probably can.

No idea what "no one gets" means. Pretty sure everyone gets this.
Pretty clear to me this was all staged  
UConn4523 : 9/7/2019 5:47 pm : link
tried to get released to get out of a hellhole that is Oakland.

The NFL is really a tough watch. It’s rivaling the NBA fast and hard right now in corniness.
Pats are favorites yet again  
adamg : 9/7/2019 5:48 pm : link
If he signs elsewhere next year they get a comp pick right ?  
capone : 9/7/2019 5:49 pm : link
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RE: 'Ten million guaranteed.'  
MetsAreBack : 9/7/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14562774 Torrag said:
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You don't pay attention very well. It's not guaranteed if he screws up and is a bad citizen there. He only gets his money if he plays by the rules.

If he was willing and able to do that he'd still be in oakland. Maybe he's worried enough about earning that $15M that he'll show up, shut up and play. We'll see.


I haven’t seen the details - signing bonus usually means... you get that right away? What did I miss?
...  
christian : 9/7/2019 5:51 pm : link
When assessing who's actually crazy in a relationship -- typically the analysis revolves around if either party 'coincidentally' runs into a lot crazy situations outside of the relationship.

That wouldn't help in this scenario.
RE: RE: RE: Belichick is obviously following the NY Giant approach  
Cenotaph : 9/7/2019 5:52 pm : link
In comment 14562783 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14562778 Cenotaph said:


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In comment 14562758 Jimmy Googs said:


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(and often BBI-posted apporach) and added a good locker-room guys that help with the culture...



C'mon, this is obviously a dice roll for NE, and they are maybe the one team in the league where they can make these situations work - having a coach like Bill B and QB like Brady can help fix some of those 'culture' issues...and if the antics keep up, Belichick will cut him too.





Uh, ya' think? You missed the point...


A reference to the many moves made this year, such as moving a talented WR who may have caused some locker room issues? I get it just don't see the point to take a shot at the team we all supposedly root for...I wasn't a huge fan of the Beckham deal at first, and his antics never approached the AB level, but he's gone, we got a decent return, and I'm excited to see what the team can do this season.

If there's more involved here, maybe I don't spend enough time on BBI and it did go over my head. But there do seem to be quite a few people around here who take any chance to take a shot at the team the are supposedly fans of - and yes, they haven't given us a ton to root for lately, but a rebuild was needed and I for one like quite a few of the moves made...
Little Bill will reign him in, the champioship game now goes through  
SterlingArcher : 9/7/2019 5:53 pm : link
NE!
RE: ...  
flycatcher : 9/7/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14562726 Eric from BBI said:
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The NFL is getting weird.

Ha, I saw what you did there.
...  
christian : 9/7/2019 5:56 pm : link
You could call it painless, or you could call it having spent a 3rd and 5th round pick for a few practices.
It’s absolutely on Mayock  
Rflairr : 9/7/2019 5:57 pm : link
This is the first time I can recall a team trying to go after a guys guaranteed money after fines. Gruden seemed ready to move on. And “just win baby”
Don’t the Pats know he’s pregnant?  
flycatcher : 9/7/2019 5:57 pm : link
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RE: I wonder  
GeofromNJ : 9/7/2019 5:58 pm : link
In comment 14562740 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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If obj will learn anything from this.

There's no doubt in my mind that OBJ would rather be in NY, CA, or FL than CL or any other midwestern city. I think it's quite possible he demands either a trade or an astronomical sum of money after this year.
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