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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2019 9:12 am
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RE: Too often the last few years  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14563273 Dave on the UWS said:
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the Giants have been punched in the mouth early and had no response. Itís time to change that. You go right at Dallas and smack their front seven around. Now, they may not win in the end, but it sends a message they wonít be doormats any longer.


I'd come out with a 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB set and have Barkley and Engram line up all over the place with some 4 wide looks out of that package using Barkley and Engram as WRs. Other times, just Engram split wide. Then Barkley split wide, with Engram offset, run a jet sweep to Engram etc...

Really mix and match that. Allow Eli leeway to audible and put guys in motion etc. Its the Giants best personnel package and it can be used to confuse the shit of Dallas early.

Force Dallas out of what they want to do. Dictate their scheme. Get them off balanace.
Just make it a game come 4th qtr  
micky : 9/8/2019 10:12 am : link
It's really not about wins this year as losses to see what Daniel Jones really is. That's the 2019 theme for them
If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 10:14 am : link
How soon do you declare it ďoverĒ and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.
Pitch count for certain players???  
nzyme : 9/8/2019 10:15 am : link
Does anyone actually believe that. I think Shurmur and/or Bettcher are preparing as if everyone is playing with nobody on any kind of pitch count...
RE: If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
nzyme : 9/8/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14563293 The_Boss said:
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How soon do you declare it ďoverĒ and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.


I think that's a really good question. Not only for this game but for every other game they play this season.
RE: RE: If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14563298 nzyme said:
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In comment 14563293 The_Boss said:


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How soon do you declare it ďoverĒ and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.



I think that's a really good question. Not only for this game but for every other game they play this season.


My opinion would be if Dallas somehow gets the lead up to 17-21 with around 10 minutes left, Iíd put Jones in.
Giants are not putting Eli on the bench  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:37 am : link
in week 1.
Giant opportunity  
Thegratefulhead : 9/8/2019 10:48 am : link
This is a huge opportunity.I honestly think the Giants are in a good spot with the way they played the preseason. This will not be the Dallas team you play later in the season. Starters are not ready right now we can absolutely steal this game with solid coaching and mistake-free fundamental football.

DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER EARLY.

DO NOT HAVE STUPID PENALTIES.

If the Giants do both of those things this will be an extremely competitive me that we could win and set the narrative for the season.
RE: Let's Go!  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/8/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14563223 Eli Wilson said:
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As a HS teammate of mine used to say before each game:

Let's rub their dicks in the dirt!


Did you go to high school in Key West?
RE: Giant opportunity  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/8/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14563341 Thegratefulhead said:
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This is a huge opportunity.I honestly think the Giants are in a good spot with the way they played the preseason. This will not be the Dallas team you play later in the season. Starters are not ready right now we can absolutely steal this game with solid coaching and mistake-free fundamental football.

DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER EARLY.

DO NOT HAVE STUPID PENALTIES.

If the Giants do both of those things this will be an extremely competitive me that we could win and set the narrative for the season.

Looking at GB-Chi game, where they didn't look good or play their starters and looked bad in game 1, maybe our good preseason with starters playing a decent amount carries over to game 1.
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christian : 9/8/2019 10:54 am : link
I don't buy the Cowboys plan to limit the snaps of their best players -- Garret would never honestly leak that to anyone, even Werder.

It is however the first game of the season, and as it is ever year, guys will play less snaps, including on the Giants.
When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
ChicagoMarty : 9/8/2019 11:09 am : link
I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.
We will see if the preseason was just a mirage  
TMS : 9/8/2019 11:23 am : link
or has DG and his coaches turned this thing around with two good drafts and a major change in the locker room. Thought we were pretty close to the Boys in the second half of the season last year and think we are better now. Keep the faith.
I think  
WillVAB : 9/8/2019 11:29 am : link
A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.
RE: We will see if the preseason was just a mirage  
christian : 9/8/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14563383 TMS said:
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or has DG and his coaches turned this thing around with two good drafts and a major change in the locker room. Thought we were pretty close to the Boys in the second half of the season last year and think we are better now. Keep the faith.


That's a pretty bold claim -- the Cowboys went 7-1 to finish the season and won a playoff game.
RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/8/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14563374 ChicagoMarty said:
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I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.


What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.
D Jones  
huygens20 : 9/8/2019 11:38 am : link
Wonít be playing unless Eli has one of those @home Minnesota starts.


I really suspect shurmur doesnít have a concrete plan other than a week to week basis aside from starting 1-3 or even 2-2 with bad Eli performance
RE: RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
TrueBlue56 : 9/8/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14563396 Fred-in-Florida said:
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In comment 14563374 ChicagoMarty said:


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I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.



What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.


Because a players (with 4 accrued years) salary is guaranteed if they are on the roster on week 1. He was going to be inactive and released. The giants don't have to pay him since he was released prior to week 1.
RE: I think  
huygens20 : 9/8/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:
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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.



Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?
RE: RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
shyster : 9/8/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14563396 Fred-in-Florida said:
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What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.


Stupar is a vested vet. If he is on the roster for week 1, Giants would have been on the hook for his salary for full year, 900k.

By cutting him, they only take a 90k dead cap hit.

And they may not be in a rush to fill the spot because it just means one less inactive today.
RE: Just make it a game come 4th qtr  
Gman11 : 9/8/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14563292 micky said:
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It's really not about wins this year as losses to see what Daniel Jones really is. That's the 2019 theme for them


It's always about wins and losses. It's how you measure a team's progress.
RE: .  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/8/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14563220 Ryan in Albany said:
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Itíd be so sweet to start the season off with a W against these assholes..


For some reason this post got me incredibly pumped.

Probably because it shares my sentiments exactly.
huygens  
XBRONX : 9/8/2019 11:50 am : link
Unproven secondary? Who you referring to? Jenkins,Bethea,Peppers and Haley as the nickel are unproven?
RE: RE: I think  
Giants86 : 9/8/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14563402 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:


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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.




Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?



EXACTLY....

No pass rush and if Jenkins goes down no proven corner.
RE: I think  
Dave : 9/8/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:
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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.


This!
I am just psyched to watch this team  
Rjanyg : 9/8/2019 11:56 am : link
Love the dynamic and the personnel. Would be ecstatic if we find a way to beat Dallas
Michael Irvin on NFL Network is driving me crazy  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 12:16 pm : link
he is so over the top about how good the Cowboys are its sickening. I don't know why he thinks this, but he says they are going to the Super Bowl.
Letís go Giants!  
Gregorio : 9/8/2019 12:17 pm : link
Hit Zeke hard the first couple of plays. Make him feel uncomfortable.
RE: Let's Go!  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14563223 Eli Wilson said:
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As a HS teammate of mine used to say before each game:

Let's rub their dicks in the dirt!


I had a coach who'd say "knock" or "kick" their dicks in the dirt. But rub, eh? Very peculiar verb choice...
RE: RE: I think  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14563402 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:


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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.




Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?


A much improved OL - more room for Barkley and more time for Eli

Eli with time will look like himself

A much improved secondary

A much deeper DL
If Jenkins goes  
XBRONX : 9/8/2019 12:25 pm : link
down? And if Dak goes down. Dumb argument.
First game of the season  
joeinpa : 9/8/2019 12:29 pm : link
Is quite often the most unpredictable. Upsets are not that uncommon
RE: Michael Irvin on NFL Network is driving me crazy  
micky : 9/8/2019 12:29 pm : link
In comment 14563438 PatersonPlank said:
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he is so over the top about how good the Cowboys are its sickening. I don't know why he thinks this, but he says they are going to the Super Bowl.


Just said, the dallas defense is so good that don't be surprised to see D Jones today
RE: RE: Michael Irvin on NFL Network is driving me crazy  
bubba0825 : 9/8/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14563453 micky said:
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In comment 14563438 PatersonPlank said:


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he is so over the top about how good the Cowboys are its sickening. I don't know why he thinks this, but he says they are going to the Super Bowl.



Just said, the dallas defense is so good that don't be surprised to see D Jones today



I feel like he insinuated theyíre going to hurt Manning
I want  
George from PA : 9/8/2019 12:38 pm : link
Eli leading team to playoff contension unto the last game of season

Or

0-5 start, Jones era starts early...with plenty of learning curve and another decent draft spot.

Something in middle...will suck
RE: RE: I think  
WillVAB : 9/8/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14563402 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:


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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.




Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?


I think Eli can surprise behind a functional line. Barkley is the most talented back in the league. Engram and Sheppard can make plays. The defense should be able to stop the run and defend the pass with all the new pieces.

It feels like Dallas thinks they can walk all over NY with all the news about limiting their starters. Letís be real ó Dak isnít a good passer. The Giants gave him fits in Ď16 when they had a secondary who could cover. I think our revamped secondary picks him off a few times today. Cooper is dealing with a foot and vanishes whenever he has a tough CB matchup.

Iíd be nervous if I was a Dallas fan.

RE: huygens  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14563414 XBRONX said:
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Unproven secondary? Who you referring to? Jenkins,Bethea,Peppers and Haley as the nickel are unproven?


Seems like we're forcing Haley into this. Since when would a player be proven after one year?
If you go by ďMickyĒ  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2019 12:45 pm : link
Dallas will go undefeated and win the Super Bowl because they are so much better than everyone else. Not drinking the Kool-aid here. They should be favored, BUT they can be had. The Giants are an unknown. The OL SHOULD be better. The DL is younger, more athletic, but better? The edge guys COULD be better. The secondary is younger, more athletic (except Bethea), but better? I can see anything from a Giantís win to getting blown out to be honest.
My guess is a close loss.
Definitely need to start better than we have last few games vs cowboys  
Payasdaddy : 9/8/2019 12:47 pm : link
Seems like we have a bunch of 3 and outs , d on field too much early and Dallas gets up by 10. We inch back at times and donít have much in tank late
All we need is a big play or two , maybe a turnover ,gets some momentum and early confidence and itís a ball game we can steal.
Dallas has talent but but I think our talent base has improved enough with better depth.
Not into moral victories but even a good showing that we donít take bodes well for next 3 games
A screw that, go inflict some pain, set the tone early and rip their fucking hearts out!
RE: If you go by ďMickyĒ  
micky : 9/8/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14563468 Dave on the UWS said:
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Dallas will go undefeated and win the Super Bowl because they are so much better than everyone else. Not drinking the Kool-aid here. They should be favored, BUT they can be had. The Giants are an unknown. The OL SHOULD be better. The DL is younger, more athletic, but better? The edge guys COULD be better. The secondary is younger, more athletic (except Bethea), but better? I can see anything from a Giantís win to getting blown out to be honest.
My guess is a close loss.


Yeah ah huh sure whatever champ
I WANT TO SEE ELI  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/8/2019 1:00 pm : link
PANCAKE BLOCK SEAN LEE!
Hoping for the best today  
GIANTS128 : 9/8/2019 1:05 pm : link
Sorta numb to it all after the last 2 seasons. Lots of unknowns for us going into this game:

1. Does the Eli of old return and make one last run?
2. Do we actually have a pass rush?
3. Is our secondary better than it was?

My thinking is the oline is functional. Barkley keeps the chains moving. Eli hits a some deep throws. I think the pass rush will be just ok. Secondary will see some miscommunications leading to big plays. I think we win in a relatively high scoring game 31-28.
I  
AcidTest : 9/8/2019 1:23 pm : link
think Dallas wins the game handily by controlling both lines of scrimmage.
RE: I  
GIANTS128 : 9/8/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14563505 AcidTest said:
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think Dallas wins the game handily by controlling both lines of scrimmage.


Dont be a debbie downer..hope springs eternal till 4:26 ;)
RE: RE: I  
AcidTest : 9/8/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14563513 GIANTS128 said:
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think Dallas wins the game handily by controlling both lines of scrimmage.



Dont be a debbie downer..hope springs eternal till 4:26 ;)


I prefer Negative Nancy.
I dont think Eli has much left in the tank  
NYG07 : 9/8/2019 1:38 pm : link
but I want to see him let it fly this year. He has nothing to lose so I hope we see the old gun slinging Eli again. I think Dak is going to have all day to throw today so the offense really needs to do their part and not play conservatively.
Hoping for a win,  
prdave73 : 9/8/2019 1:58 pm : link
especially against Dallas, but don't have much hope in this team. Don't know what to expect. Looking at the other 3 teams in the NFC East, those teams are stacked with players. All three have been building their defenses.
I love the no pass rush comments when  
BSIMatt : 9/8/2019 2:22 pm : link
The Giants havenít even played a snap. Unproven secondary? Itís more proven than anything we trotted out to the field last year, Iíd rather have a first round pick/thorpe award winner out there than bw fucking Webb. Also, What do the Giants secondary have to be worried about? The trash secondary Dak torches wonít be on the field, Cowboys receivers outside of Cooper are average. Jenkins did a fine job on Amari last year and Iím not losing any sleep over Gallup and Randall Cobb who hasnít played good football in 3 years.
I was talking about  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2019 2:47 pm : link
Irvin, sheesh!
Giants in white pants today..  
Sean : 9/8/2019 3:41 pm : link
Seems like the gray pants are strictly only worn with white jerseys now.
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