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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2019 9:12 am
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Who the hell knows?  
Big Blue '56 : 9/8/2019 9:13 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2019 9:13 am : link
Ed Werder @WerderEdESPN
Source: the #Cowboys won’t start Pro Bowl CB Byron Jones against the NYG. He’s been recovering from offseason hip surgery. He will play but snaps will be closely monitored. Jourdan Lewis and Anthony Brown had outstanding preseasons.

Dan Duggan @DDuggan21
Jones wasn’t on the injury report this week
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Ryan in Albany : 9/8/2019 9:19 am : link
It’d be so sweet to start the season off with a W against these assholes..
It will be interesting to see if  
ChicagoMarty : 9/8/2019 9:21 am : link
Zach Martin and Tyron Smith play every offensive play given their balky backs prevented both of them from having much of a pre-season.

DeMarcus Lawrence just started practicing this week also...
Let's Go!  
Eli Wilson : 9/8/2019 9:21 am : link
As a HS teammate of mine used to say before each game:

Let's rub their dicks in the dirt!

So 4 starters will be on a pitch count or limited  
DavidinBMNY : 9/8/2019 9:22 am : link
Let's get physical with these guys (4th guy is Zeke - suppossedly).
I went back and watched  
justafan : 9/8/2019 9:25 am : link
Game 2 versus Dallas last night. The offense was anemic in the first half. If we come out like that again I don't see how this team can win. The offense needs to get on the board in its first drive and keep the pressure on thereafter.
Inigo  
mfsd : 9/8/2019 9:25 am : link
I hope we win...
Typical Cowboys press coverage  
BillT : 9/8/2019 9:46 am : link
“Jourdan Lewis and Anthony Brown had outstanding preseasons.”

Their top CB is compromised and the press touts the backups.

If it was Jackrabbit it would have read “Jackrabbit out, Giants doomed.”
Is Sterling Shepard playing?  
Jints in Carolina : 9/8/2019 9:47 am : link
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RE: Is Sterling Shepard playing?  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14563253 Jints in Carolina said:
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Nothing from this week would lead me to think he’s going to be out or even limited this afternoon.
Too often the last few years  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2019 9:57 am : link
the Giants have been punched in the mouth early and had no response. It’s time to change that. You go right at Dallas and smack their front seven around. Now, they may not win in the end, but it sends a message they won’t be doormats any longer.
RE: Is Sterling Shepard playing?  
BillT : 9/8/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14563253 Jints in Carolina said:
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Haven’t heard anything about him. Why wouldn’t he?
Huge opportunity today..  
Sean : 9/8/2019 10:00 am : link
Stealing an early road division game against Dallas can absolutely create momentum. Schedule after today:

Buffalo
@TB
WSH

Huge opportunity to start fast which has been lacking with this team since 2012.
RE: Who the hell knows?  
Klaatu : 9/8/2019 10:00 am : link
In comment 14563216 Big Blue '56 said:
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If Danny Jones was starting  
Rflairr : 9/8/2019 10:05 am : link
The Giants would beat the Cowboys today
RE: Huge opportunity today..  
DavidinBMNY : 9/8/2019 10:06 am : link
In comment 14563278 Sean said:
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Stealing an early road division game against Dallas can absolutely create momentum. Schedule after today:

Buffalo
@TB
WSH

Huge opportunity to start fast which has been lacking with this team since 2012.
They have been falling behind so often in the season, if it happens this year - it will be Jones time. Let's hope it doesn't happen.
These injuries  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/8/2019 10:08 am : link
could be crushing to Dallas. Think of all the seasons the Giants were derailed. Lots of question marks at a minimum.

Giants need to be very physical in their approach imo. This is a huge game for week 1. 1-0 in the Division on the road really sets them in in the Division.
RE: Too often the last few years  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14563273 Dave on the UWS said:
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the Giants have been punched in the mouth early and had no response. It’s time to change that. You go right at Dallas and smack their front seven around. Now, they may not win in the end, but it sends a message they won’t be doormats any longer.


I'd come out with a 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB set and have Barkley and Engram line up all over the place with some 4 wide looks out of that package using Barkley and Engram as WRs. Other times, just Engram split wide. Then Barkley split wide, with Engram offset, run a jet sweep to Engram etc...

Really mix and match that. Allow Eli leeway to audible and put guys in motion etc. Its the Giants best personnel package and it can be used to confuse the shit of Dallas early.

Force Dallas out of what they want to do. Dictate their scheme. Get them off balanace.
Just make it a game come 4th qtr  
micky : 9/8/2019 10:12 am : link
It's really not about wins this year as losses to see what Daniel Jones really is. That's the 2019 theme for them
If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 10:14 am : link
How soon do you declare it “over” and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.
Pitch count for certain players???  
nzyme : 9/8/2019 10:15 am : link
Does anyone actually believe that. I think Shurmur and/or Bettcher are preparing as if everyone is playing with nobody on any kind of pitch count...
RE: If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
nzyme : 9/8/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14563293 The_Boss said:
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How soon do you declare it “over” and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.


I think that's a really good question. Not only for this game but for every other game they play this season.
RE: RE: If the NYG are down 14 or more to start the 4th  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14563298 nzyme said:
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How soon do you declare it “over” and send Jones in? Think back to the season opener in 2004 when we got crushed in Philadelphia.



I think that's a really good question. Not only for this game but for every other game they play this season.


My opinion would be if Dallas somehow gets the lead up to 17-21 with around 10 minutes left, I’d put Jones in.
Giants are not putting Eli on the bench  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:37 am : link
in week 1.
Giant opportunity  
Thegratefulhead : 9/8/2019 10:48 am : link
This is a huge opportunity.I honestly think the Giants are in a good spot with the way they played the preseason. This will not be the Dallas team you play later in the season. Starters are not ready right now we can absolutely steal this game with solid coaching and mistake-free fundamental football.

DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER EARLY.

DO NOT HAVE STUPID PENALTIES.

If the Giants do both of those things this will be an extremely competitive me that we could win and set the narrative for the season.
RE: Let's Go!  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/8/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14563223 Eli Wilson said:
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As a HS teammate of mine used to say before each game:

Let's rub their dicks in the dirt!


Did you go to high school in Key West?
RE: Giant opportunity  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/8/2019 10:53 am : link
In comment 14563341 Thegratefulhead said:
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This is a huge opportunity.I honestly think the Giants are in a good spot with the way they played the preseason. This will not be the Dallas team you play later in the season. Starters are not ready right now we can absolutely steal this game with solid coaching and mistake-free fundamental football.

DO NOT TURN THE BALL OVER EARLY.

DO NOT HAVE STUPID PENALTIES.

If the Giants do both of those things this will be an extremely competitive me that we could win and set the narrative for the season.

Looking at GB-Chi game, where they didn't look good or play their starters and looked bad in game 1, maybe our good preseason with starters playing a decent amount carries over to game 1.
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christian : 9/8/2019 10:54 am : link
I don't buy the Cowboys plan to limit the snaps of their best players -- Garret would never honestly leak that to anyone, even Werder.

It is however the first game of the season, and as it is ever year, guys will play less snaps, including on the Giants.
When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
ChicagoMarty : 9/8/2019 11:09 am : link
I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.
We will see if the preseason was just a mirage  
TMS : 9/8/2019 11:23 am : link
or has DG and his coaches turned this thing around with two good drafts and a major change in the locker room. Thought we were pretty close to the Boys in the second half of the season last year and think we are better now. Keep the faith.
I think  
WillVAB : 9/8/2019 11:29 am : link
A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.
RE: We will see if the preseason was just a mirage  
christian : 9/8/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14563383 TMS said:
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or has DG and his coaches turned this thing around with two good drafts and a major change in the locker room. Thought we were pretty close to the Boys in the second half of the season last year and think we are better now. Keep the faith.


That's a pretty bold claim -- the Cowboys went 7-1 to finish the season and won a playoff game.
RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
Fred-in-Florida : 9/8/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14563374 ChicagoMarty said:
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I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.


What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.
D Jones  
huygens20 : 9/8/2019 11:38 am : link
Won’t be playing unless Eli has one of those @home Minnesota starts.


I really suspect shurmur doesn’t have a concrete plan other than a week to week basis aside from starting 1-3 or even 2-2 with bad Eli performance
RE: RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
TrueBlue56 : 9/8/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14563396 Fred-in-Florida said:
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In comment 14563374 ChicagoMarty said:


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I thought it was a roster maneuver to elevate a Practice Squad player e.g. Conrad for the game.

What would be the time limit on implementing such a maneuver?

Now it appears it was just a move to allow for the signing of a vet in the next couple of days.



What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.


Because a players (with 4 accrued years) salary is guaranteed if they are on the roster on week 1. He was going to be inactive and released. The giants don't have to pay him since he was released prior to week 1.
RE: I think  
huygens20 : 9/8/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:
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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.



Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?
RE: RE: When Jint management cut Stupar Friday  
shyster : 9/8/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14563396 Fred-in-Florida said:
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What would be the purpose of cutting him before the game if they weren't going to fill the roster for the game. If they were saving the spot for adding a vet next week could have kept on the roster this week then cut him tomorrow.


Stupar is a vested vet. If he is on the roster for week 1, Giants would have been on the hook for his salary for full year, 900k.

By cutting him, they only take a 90k dead cap hit.

And they may not be in a rush to fill the spot because it just means one less inactive today.
RE: Just make it a game come 4th qtr  
Gman11 : 9/8/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14563292 micky said:
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It's really not about wins this year as losses to see what Daniel Jones really is. That's the 2019 theme for them


It's always about wins and losses. It's how you measure a team's progress.
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sb from NYT Forum : 9/8/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14563220 Ryan in Albany said:
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It’d be so sweet to start the season off with a W against these assholes..


For some reason this post got me incredibly pumped.

Probably because it shares my sentiments exactly.
huygens  
XBRONX : 9/8/2019 11:50 am : link
Unproven secondary? Who you referring to? Jenkins,Bethea,Peppers and Haley as the nickel are unproven?
RE: RE: I think  
Giants86 : 9/8/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14563402 huygens20 said:
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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.




Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?



EXACTLY....

No pass rush and if Jenkins goes down no proven corner.
RE: I think  
Dave : 9/8/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:
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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.


This!
I am just psyched to watch this team  
Rjanyg : 9/8/2019 11:56 am : link
Love the dynamic and the personnel. Would be ecstatic if we find a way to beat Dallas
Michael Irvin on NFL Network is driving me crazy  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 12:16 pm : link
he is so over the top about how good the Cowboys are its sickening. I don't know why he thinks this, but he says they are going to the Super Bowl.
Let’s go Giants!  
Gregorio : 9/8/2019 12:17 pm : link
Hit Zeke hard the first couple of plays. Make him feel uncomfortable.
RE: Let's Go!  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14563223 Eli Wilson said:
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As a HS teammate of mine used to say before each game:

Let's rub their dicks in the dirt!


I had a coach who'd say "knock" or "kick" their dicks in the dirt. But rub, eh? Very peculiar verb choice...
RE: RE: I think  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14563402 huygens20 said:
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In comment 14563391 WillVAB said:


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A lot of people are sleeping on the Giants.




Sleeping on what?

A miracle Lazarus pit Eli Manning?
A non existent pass rush
A completely unproven secondary?


A much improved OL - more room for Barkley and more time for Eli

Eli with time will look like himself

A much improved secondary

A much deeper DL
If Jenkins goes  
XBRONX : 9/8/2019 12:25 pm : link
down? And if Dak goes down. Dumb argument.
First game of the season  
joeinpa : 9/8/2019 12:29 pm : link
Is quite often the most unpredictable. Upsets are not that uncommon
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