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You really have to respect the foundation Gettleman is

Mike from SI : 9/8/2019 6:36 pm
building. That was a thread I read a few weeks ago. The vast majority of the roster is his guys. I'm willing to give him another year after this one because he was put in a shitty cap position and Daniel Jones looks good. However, my point here is that the preseason optimism threads were garbage and embarrassing.
HC  
rocco8112 : 9/8/2019 6:38 pm : link
sucks
How is it his fault  
mdthedream : 9/8/2019 6:38 pm : link
if we can't replace the QB? He is toast! Can't move in the pocket.
He put together a non competitive defense  
Gmen703 : 9/8/2019 6:38 pm : link
...respect
From all of this I'm most pessimistic about our HC  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 6:38 pm : link
The defense is worse than this offense but at least they're young and inexperienced. A trained monkey would have run Saquon more than he has. The guy is a fucking moron I never want to see coaching my team again. An absolute embarrassment.
Ehhhh, maybe  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 6:38 pm : link
The offense is moving the ball. Line is good. Receivers surprisingly capable. Playcalling atrocious. Defense embarrassing for sure. Not ready to call for DGs head. Close for Shurmur though. Doesnt help that he looks like his wife just left him cuz he relapsed and fucked the babysitter.
The optimism was definitely way too high  
widmerseyebrow : 9/8/2019 6:40 pm : link
for a team with dog shit receivers and pass rush.
Got rid  
Les in TO : 9/8/2019 6:41 pm : link
Of the rot! Culture!
Need a passrush  
mdthedream : 9/8/2019 6:41 pm : link
they don't have a ligit passrusher. Clowney or someone should have been looked at and brought in.
we will be picking high next year and  
mphbullet36 : 9/8/2019 6:41 pm : link
I don't trust him to build a defense. Shumur and DG are fired after this year...pretty simple in my eyes. Clean house
Outside of a Shepard drop  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 6:41 pm : link
the receivers have not been bad by any stretch.
What foundation  
jeff57 : 9/8/2019 6:42 pm : link
?
Bettcher should be feeling the heat.  
Diver_Down : 9/8/2019 6:42 pm : link
The draft and FA catered to him. We traded up in the first round for Baker and he looks like he has never played the position before. While there should be a learning curve for rookies, they shouldn't look lost. Golden is on a prove it deal and knows Bettcher's system. So far he has proven that he sucks. Bethea was supposed to be able to get the youngsters lined up with the correct calls. He knows Bettcher's system, but he is the one that looks lost.
Giants may still suck  
nyjuggernaut2 : 9/8/2019 6:43 pm : link
but at least everyone gets along in the locker room now. Isnít that all that matters (typing this while Kumbaya plays in the background)
At least we  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2019 6:44 pm : link
Have culture.
Couldn't agree more Mike  
adamg : 9/8/2019 6:44 pm : link
Thanks for calling out the sycophants. We're another year away from being an actual team, whether THAT team is good or bad is unknown. Eli is done. He's been done for a few years now. We need to trade Rabbit for a 5th. And just scout appropriately for what is likely going to be another top ten pick.

And we'll have cap space. The future is bright. The problem was a lot of people on BBI thought we were there already. We just dropped a ton of resources this year to open up a run for next year. That's just the monetary facts.
RE: How is it his fault  
kennyd : 9/8/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14565350 mdthedream said:
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if we can't replace the QB? He is toast! Can't move in the pocket.


This disaster is on Eli??? Wow
RE: we will be picking high next year and  
Rory : 9/8/2019 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14565401 mphbullet36 said:
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I don't trust him to build a defense. Shumur and DG are fired after this year...pretty simple in my eyes. Clean house


after 2 years?!! just shut the fuck up
Who from the tiny Mara circle of trust  
arniefez : 9/8/2019 6:47 pm : link
Is left to hire as GM. Why not end the deception and just admit the two Maraís are picking the players. Who needs a GM
All I know is thereís been raving about the talent weíve drafted  
UberAlias : 9/8/2019 6:48 pm : link
Well itís not showing up today.
RE: From all of this I'm most pessimistic about our HC  
giantstock : 9/8/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14565356 BestFeature said:
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The defense is worse than this offense but at least they're young and inexperienced. A trained monkey would have run Saquon more than he has. The guy is a fucking moron I never want to see coaching my team again. An absolute embarrassment.


This is just game 1. While this game is an embarrassment i think most of us rational fans expected a non-playoff team. So just want to see them get better.

But you are right -- this moronic coach didn't learn from last year. There were games he went away from Barkley too much. And how often is he going to roll out ELi for a team as quick as Dallas?

You are going to hate me for this-- but I'd like to ask you and others a question. Who hired this coach?

Waaaaaaaaaaay too early for this shit  
fkap : 9/8/2019 6:51 pm : link
Yeah, they look way worse than many expected, but it's too soon to label this a season long trend.

Have to see how the draftees develop, but Gettleman's FA pickups have been blah, or worse. Last year was a waste of time with his half measures.

So far I'm not impressed with the organization - management or coaching.
How many  
XBRONX : 9/8/2019 6:52 pm : link
sacks does Golden have today?
RE: Waaaaaaaaaaay too early for this shit  
Mike from SI : 9/8/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14565523 fkap said:
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Yeah, they look way worse than many expected, but it's too soon to label this a season long trend.

Have to see how the draftees develop, but Gettleman's FA pickups have been blah, or worse. Last year was a waste of time with his half measures.

So far I'm not impressed with the organization - management or coaching.


Yes, it is a little too early. But if THIS is too early, then the f***ing middle of the preseason was even way too earlier. That's my point. We turned into a bunch of Redskins fans this preseason.
Mike +1000  
adamg : 9/8/2019 6:59 pm : link
It was bad. I stayed away from football threads.
The team looks awful from top to bottom  
jcn56 : 9/8/2019 7:01 pm : link
the coaching staff seems completely out of their depth.

Year 2, and it looks like they're regressing despite much of the roster being churned.
on the season prediction threads  
fkap : 9/8/2019 7:02 pm : link
and others, I didn't see much sign of irrational exuberance. Most acknowledge the lack of a pass rusher. W-L predictions trended to a losing season. I've mostly seen realism. There was hope that we would get better as the youngsters were hardened by fire.
I fell into the preseason trap  
bubba0825 : 9/8/2019 7:05 pm : link
We will be outmanned most weeks, the other weíll be outcoached
Heís playing a part in Eli sticking around  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/8/2019 7:10 pm : link
Itís like a group of friends who all hang out and everyone knows that one guy or girl is going to divorce their SO. But everyone pretends like nothing is different and itís incredibly awkward
In a passing league, Gettleman  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/8/2019 7:16 pm : link
Traded the best WR in Giants history, traded the best pass rusher and has exactly one CB whoís played any length of time. What do we expect?
RE: RE: we will be picking high next year and  
mphbullet36 : 9/8/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14565436 Rory said:
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In comment 14565401 mphbullet36 said:


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I don't trust him to build a defense. Shumur and DG are fired after this year...pretty simple in my eyes. Clean house



after 2 years?!! just shut the fuck up


oh I know the mara's wont do it...but both hires from day 1 were trash. So you can keep rooting for this team to go 4-12 and 5-11 with these to yes men running the show for Mara.
Was Gettleman the one  
Mr. Bungle : 9/8/2019 7:19 pm : link
who didn't give Barkley the ball on 3rd-and-1 and then 4th-and-1?

Was Gettleman the one throwing checkdown passes all day?
One game  
djm : 9/8/2019 7:20 pm : link
.
RE: Was Gettleman the one  
mphbullet36 : 9/8/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14565820 Mr. Bungle said:
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who didn't give Barkley the ball on 3rd-and-1 and then 4th-and-1?

Was Gettleman the one throwing checkdown passes all day?


nope but he built this defense...with his hog mollies up front with no secondary and linebacking core or edge rushers...
Agree with the OP  
Marty866b : 9/8/2019 7:32 pm : link
I keep reading here how great of a job Gettleman has done and how is so adept at drafting. Because his draft picks play do not make them good players. Except for Barkley and Hill, I'd say the jury is out on EVERYONE else he has selected. His free agent signings have been a disaster. This roster is now Gettlemans. Anyone here really like it. I don't.
RE: One game  
Mike from SI : 9/8/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14565826 djm said:
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And it was 0 games when people were posting in the preseason about Gettleman's foundation.
Ah jeez stupid me  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2019 7:41 pm : link
I didnít realize that all these rookies were supposed to play like PRO/ BOWLERS from day 1!! Guess I donít understand why rookies are GRADUALLY worked into most lineups.
The stupidity here is astounding. The defense took its lumps big time today. Anyone not think these players will look at the tape and learn something?
Jesus  
Photoguy : 9/8/2019 7:54 pm : link
Fucking Christ on a taco, some of you whiny bitches need to take a fucking Xanax.

Fucking game threads are going to be god damned unfuckingbearable this year.

SMDH.
RE: Ah jeez stupid me  
FStubbs : 9/8/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14566011 Dave on the UWS said:
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I didnít realize that all these rookies were supposed to play like PRO/ BOWLERS from day 1!! Guess I donít understand why rookies are GRADUALLY worked into most lineups.
The stupidity here is astounding. The defense took its lumps big time today. Anyone not think these players will look at the tape and learn something?


This basically. You have a young team like this one, you're going to eat some losses. The idea is player development.
The oline is better... Saquon is still Saquon...  
SleepyOwl : 9/8/2019 7:55 pm : link
Connelly made a play I havenít seen from one of our inside backers since Antonio Pierce indeed our run defense was pretty solid overall... Tomlinson, Hill and Lawrence are a formidable interior. Got the feeling Daniel would have led us to a score if not for the fumble. Evan Engram will make the pro bowl. Everything else was/is a train wreck.
RE: Jesus  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14566107 Photoguy said:
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Fucking Christ on a taco, some of you whiny bitches need to take a fucking Xanax.

Fucking game threads are going to be god damned unfuckingbearable this year.

SMDH.


Sounds like you could use a blue football or two yourself.
RE: Jesus  
Diver_Down : 9/8/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14566107 Photoguy said:
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Fucking Christ on a taco, some of you whiny bitches need to take a fucking Xanax.

Fucking game threads are going to be god damned unfuckingbearable this year.

SMDH.


This year? Where have you been?
don't base whole season on this game  
bc4life : 9/8/2019 8:00 pm : link
Gianst young D, weak pass rush and very coverage today. Dallas has maybe best pasing weapons in the league. there's room for optimism but this team is young with a second year in this system.
RE: don't base whole season on this game  
Mike from SI : 9/8/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14566148 bc4life said:
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Gianst young D, weak pass rush and very coverage today. Dallas has maybe best pasing weapons in the league. there's room for optimism but this team is young with a second year in this system.


I completely agree with this opinion. My point in starting the thread was that people were jumping to conclusions over PRESEASON games.
Not going to defend DG or criticize him (yet)  
justafan : 9/8/2019 8:03 pm : link
As you said, he needs more time given the impossible position he was put in. The team was swiss cheese when he took over. With that said. Those guys in the secondary, they have legs and speed. It's not DG blowing coverage out there. Give them time though. The secondary will improve. I fear the pass rush won't though.
yeah  
bc4life : 9/8/2019 8:03 pm : link
don't know why people do that
RE: RE: don't base whole season on this game  
giantstock : 9/8/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14566155 Mike from SI said:
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In comment 14566148 bc4life said:


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Gianst young D, weak pass rush and very coverage today. Dallas has maybe best pasing weapons in the league. there's room for optimism but this team is young with a second year in this system.



I completely agree with this opinion. My point in starting the thread was that people were jumping to conclusions over PRESEASON games.


=1(0000).

again just another example of posters that only want to read positive posts and if anything negative they go nuts. Your post was fine. Just so typical. Tear anyone apart who says anything negative.
They played one of the toughest games on their  
joeinpa : 9/8/2019 8:41 pm : link
Schedule. I expected them to be dominated.

They are 8-25 for a reason, and the Cowboys are good. Optimism is the right of fan hood, we do it very year, And fickleness is a characteristic of most fans as proven on the game thread and this.

Giants are a better team than last year, and at 3-1 or even 2-2, you ll all be jumping back on the ole bandwagon
FFS!  
ZoneXDOA : 9/8/2019 9:00 pm : link
75% of the Defense just played their first NFL game against Elliot, Cooper, Cobb, The Dallas OL and oh yeah, Jason Freakin Witten! What did you all expect?! Yes, they looked awful. I knew they would though. Itís going to take time for them to get their feet under them. God, itís embarrassing sometimes to see how quickly the majority of our fan base quit on the team. Go be Eagles fans then! The Skins looked pretty good today, go cheer them on. If not, then why donít you show some damn support! Ugh...

And before someone twists this up, Iím not saying we looked good today. Iím saying there is a whole lot of football left and there are reasons we looked awful.
Yes, there are reasons  
Greg from LI : 9/8/2019 9:06 pm : link
Primarily, one reason - the roster is garbage
RE: Was Gettleman the one  
jcn56 : 9/8/2019 9:08 pm : link
In comment 14565820 Mr. Bungle said:
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who didn't give Barkley the ball on 3rd-and-1 and then 4th-and-1?

Was Gettleman the one throwing checkdown passes all day?


Nope, but he's the guy who hired the staff that made those calls.
RE: Ehhhh, maybe  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/8/2019 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14565357 j_rud said:
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The offense is moving the ball. Line is good. Receivers surprisingly capable. Playcalling atrocious. Defense embarrassing for sure. Not ready to call for DGs head. Close for Shurmur though. Doesnt help that he looks like his wife just left him cuz he relapsed and fucked the babysitter.



lol thanks for the laugh. I needed it
RE: Bettcher should be feeling the heat.  
GiantEgo : 9/8/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14565410 Diver_Down said:
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The draft and FA catered to him. We traded up in the first round for Baker and he looks like he has never played the position before. While there should be a learning curve for rookies, they shouldn't look lost. Golden is on a prove it deal and knows Bettcher's system. So far he has proven that he sucks. Bethea was supposed to be able to get the youngsters lined up with the correct calls. He knows Bettcher's system, but he is the one that looks lost.


This is all spot on!
RE: Who from the tiny Mara circle of trust  
HomerJones45 : 9/8/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14565469 arniefez said:
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Is left to hire as GM. Why not end the deception and just admit the two Maraís are picking the players. Who needs a GM
Next up will be a player from the Championship 80's like a George Martin.
I think this is a big  
Daniel in MI : 9/8/2019 10:24 pm : link
over-reaction to one, opening day ugly loss.

Gettleman took over a roster that sucked in a lot of places. It was very telling when they put up the 2016 draft classes and there are only 2 on the roster for NYG (one of which is the impactful Perkins) and the Cowboys had like 6 guys most of whom were impact players. Good drafting is the core to building a team. Every time you draft right, you lock down a position so you can focus elsewhere. Every time you miss, you leave holes you have to keep trying to fill.

Gettleman didn't have the cap room or enough picks to rebuild everything at once. We have improved the line. The secondary was beat up badly today, but if you have a rookie CB and ZERO pass rush, that'll happen against a pretty damn good Dallas team.

We got the QB of the future (hopefully), and CBs, so next year we have to find more pass rush and LBs. I don't see a lot of FA high quality pass rushers we could afford out there one the market. Vernon had trouble staying healthy, and cost too much to keep around (not like we won with him). We took a few stabs at upgrading with some FAs and draft. But, we still have a lot of needs:
- Pass Rush
- Impact LBs
- Deep threat WR
- Right tackle (Remmers seems iffy to me, likely stop gap)

I think we're going to see the D struggle a lot this year. No matter how good the cover guys are, if the QB has a clean pocket and lots of time, someone will be open. Even when we blitzed today, we didn't get near Dak. The CBs have a lot of speed at WR, and talent at OL, RB, TE, WR, and a decent QB (esp if given all day and wide open guys). I think we'll see the O improve but still struggle at times due to a lack of a deep threat to take the top off and an immobile QB, but we have more pieces on O than on D at this point. We're not at the level of Dallas yet, and especially on opening day.

This team might still be building a core and headed the right direction. One opening day loss, on the road to a playoff team doesn't tell us if we are on the road, just that we're not there yet.
RE: Outside of a Shepard drop  
HomerJones45 : 9/8/2019 10:28 pm : link
In comment 14565402 j_rud said:
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the receivers have not been bad by any stretch.
They are bad- no speed, no separation, they don't win individual battles and they are easily covered man on man.

I am not a Shumer fan but he has my sympathies. you can't expect an OC to scheme receivers open every play. These guys have to create some of their own space and beat their man on occasion. These guys don't beat anybody. The worst group of wideouts in football.
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