The Eli Manning era is over, the Giants will not compete with him ever again. Fun ride, good times, everything ends.
This team is not built to compete this year, Jones should be out there learning the ropes.
Shurmur will probably get asked after the game and act like it's the dumbest question he's ever heard. I doubt Jones actually plays until they have 8 losses or Manning is injured.
he does to since that game is basically the season for this team. Drop that one and 3 - 13 or bust. Likely the team could scrape a couple more if Shurmur didn't seem determined to prove his offense can produce without featuring Barkley.
Today was so bad though that after next week's loss Eli is done
It’s as much about seeing what we have w Shurmer. I don’t want to blow this season and then we start Jones next year only to see that Shurmer also sucks and then we lose 2 seasons. Start Jones and if they look bad throughout the year get a new coach too.
But he’s not the solution either. He has not thrown more than a handful of passes over 7-8 yards. He has reverted to 5 yard passes regardless of the down and distance. It’s frustrating. Is it Eli or Shurmur? It needs to stop.
Eli was bad= can't move and doesn't see open receiver. He is done and the other teams know it. Rollout is a waste of time because he is to slow. So why keep doing this over and over. Shurmer offense needs a QB that can move.
hell i would rush him all day long and take away the short pass that is all he can do. LOL! He has a great first drive all the time than he is done. Do you ever wonder why?
at this time but at least keep us in the damn game and maybe we will get better. The Giants dfense is going to take a couple of weeks in the mean time let the kid get ready by playing.
And it doesn’t matter what QB you put out there. Eli could have tossed 4 TDs and we still would lose.
— You have a HC who is over matched
— a bunch of receivers that are 3s and 4s
— TE with star potential but can’t stay healthy.
— a middling OL
On Defense
— a coordinator who shows nothing special
— no pass rush
— a DL with some big bodies but young and still learning
— a LB corpse that would probably be beaten out by most top 20 college teams
— a young and inexperienced secondary.
They have absolutely *nothing* to do with each other.
?? The primary and major failure of this game is an utterly ineffective defense. But fans with QB-myopia can only see ELI, and have no awareness of how a double digit deficit fks up your offensive game plan.
the problem is regardless of what you think of the playcalling, a lot of Shumurs system (which is just a cut down version of Andy Reid's system) is built on the QB having some mobility. All those naked bootlegs and rollout have a different dimension if the QB can run just a bit. Eli doesn't have that, Eli isn't great at the short passing game. That's the offense. He's a poor fit for it schematically and the defense is so fucking dire that there's really no point drawing this out.
Put in Jones. The oline is solid enough that he should be able to take his rookie lumps relatively safely. At a push, wait until the 5th game when Tate in here.
we can see that you should play the best player. He should learn know while we lose instead of next year saying the same damn thing over. The kid would have made this game a lot closer and he gives us the best chance to win.
the problem is regardless of what you think of the playcalling, a lot of Shumurs system (which is just a cut down version of Andy Reid's system) is built on the QB having some mobility. All those naked bootlegs and rollout have a different dimension if the QB can run just a bit. Eli doesn't have that, Eli isn't great at the short passing game. That's the offense. He's a poor fit for it schematically and the defense is so fucking dire that there's really no point drawing this out.
Put in Jones. The oline is solid enough that he should be able to take his rookie lumps relatively safely. At a push, wait until the 5th game when Tate in here.
If I want a QB to manage a game and throw underneath and give me 1 TD per game, I don’t have to pay him $20 + million to do it.
Just to clarify, my Nope is to the last question of the OP. Of course Eli will be starting next week.
This team is not built to compete this year, Jones should be out there learning the ropes.
Shurmur will probably get asked after the game and act like it's the dumbest question he's ever heard. I doubt Jones actually plays until they have 8 losses or Manning is injured.
Today was so bad though that after next week's loss Eli is done
An L next week and this team will be eliminated. Maybe not mathimatically, but in mind body and soul.
It already seems like more than half the posts on the game thread think he's the main problem today
But this team isnt contending and you only get 5 years of cost control with a rookie. Jones shouldve been pencilled in since draft night.
He wasn't there main problem but he was a problem.. I expect more out of our offense.. we barely scored 10 meaningful points..
They have absolutely *nothing* to do with each other.
— You have a HC who is over matched
— a bunch of receivers that are 3s and 4s
— TE with star potential but can’t stay healthy.
— a middling OL
On Defense
— a coordinator who shows nothing special
— no pass rush
— a DL with some big bodies but young and still learning
— a LB corpse that would probably be beaten out by most top 20 college teams
— a young and inexperienced secondary.
^Lots of exclamation points, that's how you know he won the argument.
Eli is their Anti-Christ. No one w an ounce of football sense could think Jones could have won this game
The offense really did nothing
Eli???
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the complete lack of defense
They have absolutely *nothing* to do with each other.
?? The primary and major failure of this game is an utterly ineffective defense. But fans with QB-myopia can only see ELI, and have no awareness of how a double digit deficit fks up your offensive game plan.
Put in Jones. The oline is solid enough that he should be able to take his rookie lumps relatively safely. At a push, wait until the 5th game when Tate in here.
Put in Jones. The oline is solid enough that he should be able to take his rookie lumps relatively safely. At a push, wait until the 5th game when Tate in here.
If I want a QB to manage a game and throw underneath and give me 1 TD per game, I don’t have to pay him $20 + million to do it.
But this team isnt contending and you only get 5 years of cost control with a rookie. Jones shouldve been pencilled in since draft night.
Bingo