New York Giants - Dallas Cowboys Post-Game Discussion Thread

Good to see that he got some reps

Same old shit!

I thought it would be bad, but this was a demolition.

There was zero pass rush, and a lot of blown coverages.

No downfield passing, and Eli's lack of mobility is a big problem.

Next week is basically a must win. Buffalo is not the pushover many here seem to think.

Hold the ball DJ.

That's unacceptable. I know they were behind most of the game, but running Barkley has a better chance to result in a big play than the short passes we saw so much of.

and turns it over. Hopefully all the people clamoring for him to get some PT today got what they wanted. And hopefully that doesn't mess with his confidence at all. He's not ready yet.

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Now Jerruh will pay Dak, Cooper, and even extend Gallup and throw a few dollars at Cobb!

In comment 14565869 justafan said:

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Hold the ball DJ.

I guess it is better than being a chronic masterbater..

And who? Same crap.

And Dallas is a legit contender. The Giants will improve the 2nd game will be much closer between these two.

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anyone who can't see that this game had nothing to do with the offense is just clueless.

but I’m not optimistic.

to go on forever. Thank God it's over. Put it behind us. On to the Bills next week.

Has a great core. Cooper, Zeke, Jaylon Smith, T Smith, Vander Esch, Dak, Lawrence... jeez

Made too many mistakes on Offense.

Defense didn’t cover, tackle or pressure.

Rosas is our MVP.

Cleveland!🤪

I'll cite this shit football as a reason.

Our defense blows.

At least we know what our biggest need is.

In comment 14565893 M.S. said:

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Good question. 3rd and 1 ball goes to Penny 4th and 1 Eli bootleg. I am losing confidence in him fast.

...bad coaching and bad referee-ing.

That is a recipe for disaster.

I don't think -- given his head coaching resume -- that Schurmur can lead a team into too many more disasters like the one today.

They keep this up, and he will be the Giants former Head Coach. And Bettch will be out on the street as well.

I didn’t expect the defense to be as bad as they were today. But I expected the defense to be bad. We just do the have any play makers on that side of the ball.

But, the calls on offense were terrible. Third and one in the red zone and you give the ball to the FB and then roll out ol’ lead foot Eli on the 4th down? Give the ball to the guy who touched by the hand of God. Twice. Its not really that FUCKING complicated!

Pat Schumer is a fucking moron.

poor excuse for an NFL team.

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Both our defense and offense will be better than last year.

I'd play all the rookies from here on out. Screw Hamilton, Bethea, etc., etc.

just accept it. Anything short of of the NFC Championship game this year will be viewed as a failure. Thats all the talk down here.

was coverage - Lot of blown assignments, lot of people running wide open. Pss rush could have helped - but the coverage was horrendous.

In comment 14565884 EricJ said:

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In comment 14565869 justafan said: Quote: Hold the ball DJ. I guess it is better than being a chronic masterbater..

and why is that?

it’s going to take more time to develop this D. They did stop the run fairly well. Coverage was atrocious and there was Zero pass rush. We may have to blitz more this year. Might have to die by the blitz if necessary. We don’t have the horses to rush the passer. I’m also not sold on this 3-4. LBers need focus too. Nobody dynamic there either.

In comment 14565911 Rjanyg said:

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Made too many mistakes on Offense. Defense didn’t cover, tackle or pressure. Rosas is our MVP.

Just like he was last year (Rosas MVP)

Get to the playoffs then bow out. They're good but no offense should have guys running that wide open.

but it was worse than I expected. Shurmur is a loser - poor play calls, throwing challenge flags when he's not supposed to, poor clock and game management. We know he's petty with the media, too. Just an uninspiring leader.

In comment 14565913 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I'll cite this shit football as a reason. Our defense blows.

I'll come visit you.






(I'll be down the hall.)

In comment 14565928 bc4life said:

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was coverage - Lot of blown assignments, lot of people running wide open. Pss rush could have helped - but the coverage was horrendous.

All true... but I thought Schurmur was an "issue" today as well. Bad coaching; bad play-calling; not enough Saquon touches; and just thorough out-classed. If the season looks like this, Schurmur will be gone.

He was super-abused. He’s gotta learning curve. And Hamilton can’t tackle worth anything. He’s pretty much a Stupar. I’d work Ballentine in.

It may be a longer (and shorter) season than I originally thought.

Pretty spot on. Might see Connelly a lot more.

Marcus Golden didn't see to offer much. Run defense was pretty good but when you have a team like Dallas which is very good at passing.

Dak will come back to earth, he always does

In comment 14565920 trueblueinpw said:

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But, the calls on offense were terrible. Third and one in the red zone and you give the ball to the FB and then roll out ol’ lead foot Eli on the 4th down? Give the ball to the guy who touched by the hand of God. Twice. Its not really that FUCKING complicated! Pat Schumer is a fucking moron.

The thing I wonder about with stuff like this, though, is whether it's Shurmur's play calls - or is it Eli getting too clever when he reads the defense and thinks they're ready for a run, so he changes the play.

Defense is bad. That being said, we have buffalo at home next week. Let’s try and win.

In comment 14565918 M.S. said:

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They keep this up, and he will be the Giants former Head Coach. And Bettch will be out on the street as well.

Imo that's a much likelier scenario than the alternative. Hopefully they'll make an inspired hire if that does indeed happen.

In comment 14565881 gtt350 said:

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The booth called for the review

It’s easy to say checkdown when you don’t know who was open to thrown to. And passes to Engram had distance by and large.

I can’t fault Eli on the rollout and fumble too much. Well, maybe the fumble. There’s not much you can do when you receiver gets manhandled before you throw the ball it actually was a good play otherwise. They got screwed on the no-call.

In comment 14565970 Bill L said:

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He was super-abused. He’s gotta learning curve. And Hamilton can’t tackle worth anything. He’s pretty much a Stupar. I’d work Ballentine in. It may be a longer (and shorter) season than I originally thought.

Baker is a concern he doesn't seem to have the make-up speed good corners posses.

In comment 14565937 Simms11 said:

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it’s going to take more time to develop this D. They did stop the run fairly well. Coverage was atrocious and there was Zero pass rush. We may have to blitz more this year. Might have to die by the blitz if necessary. We don’t have the horses to rush the passer. I’m also not sold on this 3-4. LBers need focus too. Nobody dynamic there either.

We are going to have to blitz a lot more.

major growing pains for this defense is wearing some seriously (blue) tinted glasses. This was bound to happen. The key is whether we see some improvement over the coming weeks. I happen to think we will. We took our lumps today, no doubt. We’ll be a better team in the longrun because of it.

depending on how they develop, the only way this flips is w/ a legit pass rush. But even instances where we brought extra pressure, there was almost nothing. Dak had a few moments of people at his feet, I think there was a TD or big play where he legit took a shot while making the throw...but that was it. Of course it's not likely to just appear w/ weaker talent in that role...

Even if the secondary has decent players (they are too young to be certain), even actual great DBs can't do much with that

In comment 14565957 bceagle05 said:

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but it was worse than I expected. Shurmur is a loser - poor play calls, throwing challenge flags when he's not supposed to, poor clock and game management. We know he's petty with the media, too. Just an uninspiring leader.

Mine was 38 - 20... Basically an extra FG for both...

I expected ugly.

Growing pains is one thing but player grossly out of position looks like poor coaching to me