I agree fewer resources by way of dollars is going to the pass rush. It'd be great if more dollars all together were on the field and not in dead money.
It would be. It also would have been good while shedding all these players at least one high draft pick would have been spent on a pass rusher. I think the Giants believe Lawrence will be that guy at some point. I hope they're right, although most of the pre-draft scouting would seem to indicate otherwise.
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The offense scored 10 points in meaningful time today. You just aren’t winning in the nfl with that point total. Giants are bad on both sides of the ball.
The 10 points wasn't indicative of how well they moved the ball. They had 10 points despite driving the ball to the Dallas 10 yard-line THREE times and the Dallas 35 yard-line FOUR times. Heck, they even screwed up a chance for more points at the end of the half. Yes, they need to finish drives, but today wasn't an example of the Giants being bad offensively.
Great, they got some yards. That doesn’t count on the scoreboard, in the end they scored 10 meaningful points. That’s indicative of a bad offense that can’t finish drives. I’ve read excuses on this site for years, bottom line is the Giants are a bottom of the barrel nfl franchise and have been for many years now. Did you see anything today to indicate the Giants are close to contending?
Great, now we're talking about yardage. This isn't the preseason, the good teams finish and the bad teams do what we did.
Lawrence is a big old tackle. He says he can rush the passer, Â
but more likely like Snacks he can only push the pocket. Not agile enough to get past the center and guards.
I read an article about Peppers' "break out" game against the Broncos last year. Said he was finally allowed to play near the line of scrimmage where he could be disruptive. He rushed the passer nine times and had four pressures, including a game-ending sack.
If that's something he can do, let him do it. Create a new position, "outside-the-edge rusher."
They traded Beckham and finally achieved a solid offensive infrastructure. An offensive line that is OK and maybe even better than OK, and a new franchise quarterback.
Why not trade Barkley for a pass rush? He'll only be wasting his most productive years on a losing team.
Only way to turn this team around quickly is a fearsome pass rush. Help out all the inexperience in the back seven. Gains you respect in the league.
Was joking when I typed this, but not so sure now. All Giants' Super Bowl winners had a strong pass rush. None had a back like Barkley.
I want to watch a game with a team this one can beat. Sounds more like a punishment for doing something wrong, but I can't think of what that might be -- except watching it.
Listen, the guy's been to 7 Super Bowls, ok? So he knows a thing or two about how to build a team. If you don't believe me just ask him, he'll tell you.
Keeps a bad defense on the field longer than it has to be.
And when you keep a bad defense on the fid, they get their doors blown off.
Same shit we've seen for years. The putrid offense HAS to be part of the conversation. We sunk a #2 overall pick and lots of money into an offense that was supposed to be able to control the damn clock. Why wouldn't we talk about that too?
That drive where they didn’t call the 12 man huddle penalty, followed by the shit play calling where Eli rolls out and then gets tecmo bowl blitzed and his 600th rookie mistake intentional grounding call. That’s where it died for them. Def on the coaching staff. And The defense is so lack of talent it’s scary.
Of their plays out of the same set. Again no creativity to the offense. The same shit has continued from when McAdoo was here. I’m tired of these shitty ass coaching staffs. Keep getting our asses completely kicked by the Eagles and Cowboys. Completely Dominated by division rivals.
although some of the play calls were headscratching
What is really bothering me is that Eli Manning should not be on this team anymore. Its clear the Giants are not going to win the SB this year and when you know that going in you need to build for the future. Daniel Jones needs to play, take his rookie lumps, and prepare for the future.
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But the reason for that is obvious. There is no talent on that side of the ball. Some of the rookies may grow into players, but right now they are not competing at an NFL level.
The criticism of the offense is because for some reason they limited the touches of the only real playmaker they have. Whether that was by design, or reaction to game circumstances, it has to be fixed. Sometimes you just need to out the ball in SB’s hands regardless of what the defense is showing.
although some of the play calls were headscratching
What is really bothering me is that Eli Manning should not be on this team anymore. Its clear the Giants are not going to win the SB this year and when you know that going in you need to build for the future. Daniel Jones needs to play, take his rookie lumps, and prepare for the future.
The myth Gettleman hasn't invested in the pass rush is completely silly:
- 2018 66th pick - Lorenzo Carter
- 2018 69th pick - BJ Hill
- 2019 17th pick - Dexter Lawrence
- 2019 95th pick - Oshane Ximines
The Giants have spent 4 top 100 picks on lineman or rushers in the last 2 years.
The Giants have spent 2 top 100 picks on secondary players (Beal and Love).
It's a super young defense and it's completely unsurprising they are struggling.
Lawrence will be a great player but pass rush is not his specialty. Likewise Hill, a DT in college. So really 2 third round picks on pass rushers.
And Gettleman also spent a first rounder on a DB last year also, and traded up to get him. So three picks (Baker, Beal, Loave) plus a 4th and 5th rounder on DBs.
A horrible start. Looked like Keystone Kops on defense. We're absolutely humiliated by Jerry's boys.
I never liked the selection of Pat Shurmer from the beginning and I like it less now. He looks clueless. Not head coaching timber IMO. And Bettcher is even worse. His defenses have been disorganized at best. Personally, I think he's a myth.
And one final comment. Anyone thinking that Lorenzo Carter is going to be the pass rusher we need is dreaming. I predict he'll be gone in 2 year.
Of their plays out of the same set. Again no creativity to the offense. The same shit has continued from when McAdoo was here. I’m tired of these shitty ass coaching staffs. Keep getting our asses completely kicked by the Eagles and Cowboys. Completely Dominated by division rivals.
First off, it isn't the same "set". It is the same personnel formation. And you do realize that most NFL teams have that same percentage running plays out of a grouping, right? McAdoo ran out of the 11 formation 92% of the time - which was really high. Most teams are running out of a personnel package about 80% of the time.
Buffalo's offense stinks, so we should get a better view of the defense next week. ....A loss next week at home to Buffalo and this shit is gonna unravel fast.
Matt, I agree with most all of your post. Except: the Bills' rookie RB Singleterry (?) is small, quick, and powerful. He's going to eat the Giants' slow-moving and not so quick LBs alive. Jets game was game of two halves: Once Mosely went down, Jets' d could not contain.
New season, same old Giants, what a secondary huh?
They sign a 35 year old safety to go with Peppers, geez.
That rookie CB (Baker), had a rude awakening to the NFL.
I bailed at 35-10, put the RZ, lot of close endings in 1PM games.
Did you see anything today to indicate the Giants are close to contending?
If you thought they were remotely close to "contending" before you turned on your television yesterday, that's a you issue.
Considering that their average starting field position for their first 6 drives was their own 21 yard-line, I'd say the yards do matter. Considering they were playing what's supposed to be an elite defense, the yards do matter. Obviously, they have to score more than 10 points over those 6 drives. (They probably do if not for 2 horrendous calls by officials.) However, to say they scored 10 points so the offense just sucked is reductive, at best.
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Saquon Barkley practiced every day of training camp and had 15 touches in the opener.
Ezekiel Elliott spent the last few months in Cabo and had 14 touches in the opener.
Dallas had a lot more offensive plays overall.
Now I'm working towards building that back up
But I'll say this,they gotta get Jones in there.There is no reason to take these beatings with Eli.
It would be. It also would have been good while shedding all these players at least one high draft pick would have been spent on a pass rusher. I think the Giants believe Lawrence will be that guy at some point. I hope they're right, although most of the pre-draft scouting would seem to indicate otherwise.
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The offense scored 10 points in meaningful time today. You just aren’t winning in the nfl with that point total. Giants are bad on both sides of the ball.
The 10 points wasn't indicative of how well they moved the ball. They had 10 points despite driving the ball to the Dallas 10 yard-line THREE times and the Dallas 35 yard-line FOUR times. Heck, they even screwed up a chance for more points at the end of the half. Yes, they need to finish drives, but today wasn't an example of the Giants being bad offensively.
Great, they got some yards. That doesn’t count on the scoreboard, in the end they scored 10 meaningful points. That’s indicative of a bad offense that can’t finish drives. I’ve read excuses on this site for years, bottom line is the Giants are a bottom of the barrel nfl franchise and have been for many years now. Did you see anything today to indicate the Giants are close to contending?
Great, now we're talking about yardage. This isn't the preseason, the good teams finish and the bad teams do what we did.
I read an article about Peppers' "break out" game against the Broncos last year. Said he was finally allowed to play near the line of scrimmage where he could be disruptive. He rushed the passer nine times and had four pressures, including a game-ending sack.
If that's something he can do, let him do it. Create a new position, "outside-the-edge rusher."
They traded Beckham and finally achieved a solid offensive infrastructure. An offensive line that is OK and maybe even better than OK, and a new franchise quarterback.
Why not trade Barkley for a pass rush? He'll only be wasting his most productive years on a losing team.
Only way to turn this team around quickly is a fearsome pass rush. Help out all the inexperience in the back seven. Gains you respect in the league.
Was joking when I typed this, but not so sure now. All Giants' Super Bowl winners had a strong pass rush. None had a back like Barkley.
Dallas ran 62 plays.
Listen, the guy's been to 7 Super Bowls, ok? So he knows a thing or two about how to build a team. If you don't believe me just ask him, he'll tell you.
And when you keep a bad defense on the fid, they get their doors blown off.
Same shit we've seen for years. The putrid offense HAS to be part of the conversation. We sunk a #2 overall pick and lots of money into an offense that was supposed to be able to control the damn clock. Why wouldn't we talk about that too?
Barkley looks so good, yet they barely use him.
What is really bothering me is that Eli Manning should not be on this team anymore. Its clear the Giants are not going to win the SB this year and when you know that going in you need to build for the future. Daniel Jones needs to play, take his rookie lumps, and prepare for the future.
Looked like Reese invested a 1, 2 and 3 in that unit.
They stopped the run but couldn’t collapse the pocket at all.
The criticism of the offense is because for some reason they limited the touches of the only real playmaker they have. Whether that was by design, or reaction to game circumstances, it has to be fixed. Sometimes you just need to out the ball in SB’s hands regardless of what the defense is showing.
What is really bothering me is that Eli Manning should not be on this team anymore. Its clear the Giants are not going to win the SB this year and when you know that going in you need to build for the future. Daniel Jones needs to play, take his rookie lumps, and prepare for the future.
10 points
- 2018 66th pick - Lorenzo Carter
- 2018 69th pick - BJ Hill
- 2019 17th pick - Dexter Lawrence
- 2019 95th pick - Oshane Ximines
The Giants have spent 4 top 100 picks on lineman or rushers in the last 2 years.
The Giants have spent 2 top 100 picks on secondary players (Beal and Love).
It's a super young defense and it's completely unsurprising they are struggling.
Lawrence will be a great player but pass rush is not his specialty. Likewise Hill, a DT in college. So really 2 third round picks on pass rushers.
And Gettleman also spent a first rounder on a DB last year also, and traded up to get him. So three picks (Baker, Beal, Loave) plus a 4th and 5th rounder on DBs.
I never liked the selection of Pat Shurmer from the beginning and I like it less now. He looks clueless. Not head coaching timber IMO. And Bettcher is even worse. His defenses have been disorganized at best. Personally, I think he's a myth.
And one final comment. Anyone thinking that Lorenzo Carter is going to be the pass rusher we need is dreaming. I predict he'll be gone in 2 year.
First off, it isn't the same "set". It is the same personnel formation. And you do realize that most NFL teams have that same percentage running plays out of a grouping, right? McAdoo ran out of the 11 formation 92% of the time - which was really high. Most teams are running out of a personnel package about 80% of the time.
They sign a 35 year old safety to go with Peppers, geez.
That rookie CB (Baker), had a rude awakening to the NFL.
I bailed at 35-10, put the RZ, lot of close endings in 1PM games.
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If you thought they were remotely close to "contending" before you turned on your television yesterday, that's a you issue.
Considering that their average starting field position for their first 6 drives was their own 21 yard-line, I'd say the yards do matter. Considering they were playing what's supposed to be an elite defense, the yards do matter. Obviously, they have to score more than 10 points over those 6 drives. (They probably do if not for 2 horrendous calls by officials.) However, to say they scored 10 points so the offense just sucked is reductive, at best.