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Pat Shurmur is either too arrogant or too stupid to be a HC

BestFeature : 9/8/2019 7:33 pm
I can't figure out if it was arrogance or stupidity but there is really no explanation on this earth to not use Barkley more. He had a game like this, I believe against the Eagles last year. But that was for one half. This was an entire game. I don't trust this man's judgment to be the HC on this team. The D was worse than the offense but at least there you can explain it away with a lack of experience and/or talent. This is just absolute ineptitude.
It can't  
santacruzom : 9/8/2019 7:34 pm : link
Be both?
But he's an 'adult'  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/8/2019 7:35 pm : link
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Not nearly as stupid as the thread starter  
Canton : 9/8/2019 7:35 pm : link
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RE: It can't  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 7:35 pm : link
In comment 14565951 santacruzom said:
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Be both?


It can, though if he's stupid it's more likely that he's not just thinking he's smarter than everyone and that's why he uses Barkley that way.
11 carries for 120  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/8/2019 7:36 pm : link
But we should throw more 5 yard passes. FFS
See I would've just called this thread "Out on Shurmur"  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/8/2019 7:36 pm : link
You can just tell when a guy is a bad head coach. Offensive coordinator, QB guru, sure. Just not a head coach.
RE: Not nearly as stupid as the thread starter  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14565962 Canton said:
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I'm stupid because I question our coach not using our best player (by far) and one of the best in the league? You sure got me there! You must be a fucking mensa candidate.
Shurmur  
broadbandz : 9/8/2019 7:37 pm : link
is, was and always will be a bad head coach.
You can question the coach without using a gas can headline.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/8/2019 7:37 pm : link
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RE: You can question the coach without using a gas can headline.  
loafin : 9/8/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14565986 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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+1
Going away from the run early  
justafan : 9/8/2019 7:43 pm : link
was mind-boggling. It's concerning. Wouldn't have mattered with how poorly the secondary was playing, but if the secondary wasn't letting guys run free, it could've cost us being in the game late. He'll need to be grilled by the media on that.
He is from the Andy Reid coaching tree  
Ben in Tampa : 9/8/2019 7:44 pm : link
and he has all the terrible play calling tendencies youíd expect
Agree headline is bad  
Mike from Ohio : 9/8/2019 7:44 pm : link
But Shurmur really seemed in over his head today. Not sure what they are saving Barkley for.

And it may not have mattered anyway. This defense is simply awful.
With a D that bad, it is mind boggling how you don't feed Barkley  
Matt M. : 9/8/2019 7:46 pm : link
the ball, especially with the way he was running. But, instead, we run weak play action rollouts that fool nobody and put Manning in the worst position (on the run) to throw the ball, while cutting the field by 2/3.
Reaping the  
Les in TO : 9/8/2019 7:47 pm : link
Fruits of a half baked coaching search
RE: You can question the coach without using a gas can headline.  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14565986 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I don't know what a gas can headline is. I don't think his decision making is nearly good enough to be a head coach in this league. There's zero explanation for what we saw today regarding Saquon's usage other than him not being too bright or him thinking he's smarter than everyone. Not sure why I have to mince words. Do you have a personal stake in his well being?
Barkley  
cjohn2979 : 9/8/2019 7:48 pm : link
Didnt play in the preseason. I'm guessing Shurmur wanted to take it easy with him in the first game. He certainly used him a lot last season.
Everybody attacks the coach  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/8/2019 7:49 pm : link
when teams lose. I am souring on him. If this team does not come out inspired next week then I will quickly join you.

Let's see how he gets the men to respond next week.
He stinks as a head coach.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/8/2019 7:53 pm : link
All he does is lose, lose, lose.

And we're stuck with him.

Nothing we can do about it.
I like Schurmur  
Emil : 9/8/2019 7:53 pm : link
I like his offensive philosophy. But he let the game get away from him today.

But letís be real here.

Anyone going to blame the atrocious defensive play? Iím far more disappointed in Bettcher than Schurmur. (And I like Bettchers philosophy too)
No sense getting him beat up today  
since1925 : 9/8/2019 7:55 pm : link
First action after no preseason games, not a surprise he fumbled on the first hit. Let him get a feel for the game. Lean on him a little more next week.

The way Dallas was scoring,no amount of SB was going to change the outcome.
he's an average coach at best  
GiantsFan84 : 9/8/2019 8:00 pm : link
with a below average roster. this is what happens
How'd the defense look today?  
rnargi : 9/8/2019 8:01 pm : link
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RE: No sense getting him beat up today  
MotownGIANTS : 9/8/2019 8:01 pm : link
In comment 14566111 since1925 said:
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First action after no preseason games, not a surprise he fumbled on the first hit. Let him get a feel for the game. Lean on him a little more next week.

The way Dallas was scoring,no amount of SB was going to change the outcome.


Control the flow via the run .... IJS not to mention balance T.O.P.
RE: I like Schurmur  
rnargi : 9/8/2019 8:03 pm : link
In comment 14566099 Emil said:
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I like his offensive philosophy. But he let the game get away from him today.

But letís be real here.

Anyone going to blame the atrocious defensive play? Iím far more disappointed in Bettcher than Schurmur. (And I like Bettchers philosophy too)


How'd he let the game get away? Telling his defense to give up five tds on five straight fucking drives? Was that it?
The bad call took Shurmur out of the game mentally.  
CT Charlie : 9/8/2019 8:04 pm : link
He'd been calling a good mix of plays, and on the first drive we looked as good as we had in a long time -- against a good defense. When the too-many-men-on-the-field cost us possession, Dallas started to get momentum and then we were playing from two TD's down.

I don't think Shurmur should have gone away from SB at that point, but he didn't want to give SB twenty-five touches. It all spiralled downhill from there.
so he should  
bc4life : 9/8/2019 8:04 pm : link
have put Barkley in on the nickle an dime packages? - because the pass defense lost this game
I was screaming it last year and looks like I will this year too  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/8/2019 8:05 pm : link

RUN THE DAMN BALL!!!!

The Giants improved when they started running the ball more. Don't try and tell me you run the ball when your ahead and it screws up the stats either. I checked that. If you can run the ball you keep running the ball (55% to 60% of the time) until you can't run the ball anymore (defense changes to defend it). It opens up the passing lanes. It keeps the defense honest on rushing the passer. It keeps their defense on the field to tire them out and your own defense off the field, rested. It keeps their offense cold, on the sidelines, making it hard to get into a rhythm.

Ezekiel Elliot - 13 Carries, 53 Yards, 1 TD, 4.1 Avg (Respectable) but much of his came LATE when it was already over IMHO.
Saquon Barkley - 11 Carries, 120 Yards, 0 TDs, 10.9 Avg (Excellent) and most of it came EARLY in the game.

HOW DO YOU NOT NOT KEEP FEEDING THE HOT HAND????

WHY WERE THEIR SO MANY BIG MOMENTS THAT THEY PULLED BARKLEY OUT??????

The defense is young and is going to go through it's growning pains but these pains are like kidney stones.
Ownership loves to just exist for their$$$Jerry Jones laughing  
big canoe jeff : 9/8/2019 8:07 pm : link
Boys now have a better stadium better HC which is not saying much obviously better players giants are now a shit hole franchise along with dolphins. Mara fuckin clueless as usual donít bench Eli
RE: No sense getting him beat up today  
Mr. Bungle : 9/8/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14566111 since1925 said:
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First action after no preseason games, not a surprise he fumbled on the first hit. Let him get a feel for the game. Lean on him a little more next week.

The way Dallas was scoring,no amount of SB was going to change the outcome.

Except he did the same thing against the Eagles last year.

And no Barkley on 3rd-and-1 and 4th-and-1 because he didn't play in the preseason? Please.
Shurmur sucks  
big canoe jeff : 9/8/2019 8:14 pm : link
Team has bigger issues owner sucks laughing stock gm hired why fuckin drafts jones. Team is a fuckin mess. DC incompetent should have played man zero coverage couldnít have been worse
I really liked how Shurmur threw a challenge flag  
Mr. Bungle : 9/8/2019 8:19 pm : link
at the end of the half.

A real tight grip on the rulebook, there...
RE: I really liked how Shurmur threw a challenge flag  
Mendenhall64 : 9/8/2019 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14566254 Mr. Bungle said:
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at the end of the half.

A real tight grip on the rulebook, there...


It was symbolic like the time Cowher stuffed the photo of 12 men on the field into the refs shirt. He knows that he can't challenge it but throwing the flag tells the refs they screwed up.
RE: He is from the Andy Reid coaching tree  
mattlawson : 9/8/2019 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14566032 Ben in Tampa said:
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and he has all the terrible play calling tendencies youíd expect



The difference is Big red has figured it out to near perfection. PS hasnít
I agree  
GiantEgo : 9/8/2019 8:36 pm : link
He did seem to lose it after the bad calls which reflects very poorly on him. He is a veteran head coach at this point that should know better.
Whats the point of having a milque toast coach if he can't  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/8/2019 8:37 pm : link
keep his emotions in check throwing a desperation challenge on a hail Mary at half. Sad !
RE: RE: He is from the Andy Reid coaching tree  
Bluesbreaker : 9/8/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14566287 mattlawson said:
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In comment 14566032 Ben in Tampa said:


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and he has all the terrible play calling tendencies youíd expect




The difference is Big red has figured it out to near perfection. PS hasnít


PS was out coached they had an answer for everything he tried . Lets not forget Dallas has a ton of talent
both in the trenches and skill positions .
Defense is gonna have growing pains we will get better on
offense when Tate comes back .
We were setup for a Cowboy ambush were not there yet .
I think PS needs to finish 500 or better or get canned
lets see how we play the next three games .
Its a double edged sword  
TheShade : 9/8/2019 8:54 pm : link
Seeing as how poorly the defense was playing, running the ball wasn't going to do good because Dallas was smothering the LOS because the Giants receviers couldn't make any plays or separation outside of 5-8 yards. Saquon would either get a lucky break or be running into a wall. Basically the Giants were forced to throw and that proved to be just as pointless. Maybe if the defense made some stops, but that only happened on the Cowboys first drive.
RE: Reaping the  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14566051 Les in TO said:
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Fruits of a half baked coaching search


Yep. We stayed in house and picked a guy immediately!!

Oh wait.

Yep - just Les fucking up facts again.
RE: RE: I really liked how Shurmur threw a challenge flag  
Eman11 : 9/8/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14566270 Mendenhall64 said:
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In comment 14566254 Mr. Bungle said:


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at the end of the half.

A real tight grip on the rulebook, there...



It was symbolic like the time Cowher stuffed the photo of 12 men on the field into the refs shirt. He knows that he can't challenge it but throwing the flag tells the refs they screwed up.


How did the refs screw up there? It clearly wasn't interference, and not only was it inside of two minutes where a coach can't challenge but he didn't have any TO's left. So even if it was outside of two minutes, it wouldn't have been allowed.

The only place the refs screwed up there IMO was not giving him a penalty and I'm still not sure why they didn't
No ďIĒ in team....  
thrunthrublue : 9/8/2019 9:07 pm : link
No 2019 coaches in 2020. The whole brain trust needs to be kicked to the curb, you need to have talent to judge talent, that, they ainít got.
I thought we knew the defense wasnít good?  
GoDeep13 : 9/8/2019 9:16 pm : link
Why are we acting surprised? Has it been good the last 3 years? Hasnít our pass rush been terrible for atleast the last 5 seasons?

I thought the whole reason we drafted a RB high and fixed the Oline was to be able to run the ball. Control tempo, and keep our defense off the field?
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