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Gettlemans key defensive moves

AnskyJK : 9/8/2019 7:55 pm
Even if this is a rebuilding year how can anyone feel confident in gettleman to make the right moves moving forward for this defense. All of his key defensive acquisitions and release have been atrocious:

- big $$$ for Ogletree
- Kareem Martin
- releasing kennard and Okwara who have been big time players for Lions
- Jabrill Peppers - did nothing today
- Curtis Riley
- Antoine Bethea
- josh Mauro


Has he made any good move for this defense?
Let's give it time  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/8/2019 7:57 pm : link
Agree very disappointing to date. I do not think I heard Peppers name all day. Hopefully this guy is not a lemon.
First game  
Photoguy : 9/8/2019 7:58 pm : link
against a team many people have playing deep into the playoffs. Give it time. They'll be fine.
Three year plan  
justafan : 9/8/2019 7:58 pm : link
I'll judge him next year. Snacks was old. Apple was a bust. OV was a dud. I get you're mad, but I still view this as a year two of a three-year rebuild. The DT/DEs look good. The secondary talent is promising. We do need improvements at ILB and pass rusher.
No  
big canoe jeff : 9/8/2019 7:58 pm : link
DC signed off on it
I like his draft  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/8/2019 7:58 pm : link
Picks much better than his FA acquisitions
I think he's drafted well  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 7:58 pm : link
Baker had a rough, rough debut but it's his first game and he's matched up against what appears to be an elite, deep receiving core. I like the young talent in the front 7. Davis, Connelly, Hill.
He drafted Hill, Carter, Lawrence....which look solid  
George from PA : 9/8/2019 7:59 pm : link
Connerly, Balentine look promising.

Baker, Beal, Love too early.
I actually think they will play better down the line  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2019 7:59 pm : link
The secondary is almost completely new, via rookies and FA.

The d needs sometime to jell as a unit. The pass rush though. It isn't there and I don't see how it can get there anytime soon.
The new DBs need time and experience. So did Dallas'.  
yatqb : 9/8/2019 8:00 pm : link
We desperately need a pass rush and if we don't get it Pro Bowl CBs and Safeties wouldn't be able to cover. We blitzed a ton and got killed doing it because we got no pressure.
Obj trade  
AnskyJK : 9/8/2019 8:01 pm : link
To not get a pass rusher back from Odell either from the trade or picks is a huge mistake
His philosophy  
arniefez : 9/8/2019 8:02 pm : link
On team building is outdated. He uses premium resources on none premium positions. He will fail. The only question is how many years do we have to watch this crap and will the Maraís finally hire someone progressive when Gettleman is finally gone.
George from Pa  
Marty866b : 9/8/2019 8:03 pm : link
I'd say it's to early to say that Carter and Lawrence are solid. Both invisible today and Carter showed glimpses last year but Lawrence just played his first game and did little. Pump the braked on Gettleman's great draft picks on defense. This defense is abysmal and he owns it. Except for Jenkins,and Tomlinson the rest of the defense are his and it's awful.
Kennard was a big time miss  
Blue Ninja : 9/8/2019 8:04 pm : link
Kennard had 3 sacks today.

Most other guys let go, not so much.
RE: Kennard was a big time miss  
Toth029 : 9/8/2019 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14566173 Blue Ninja said:
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Kennard had 3 sacks today.

Most other guys let go, not so much.

Did Kennard produce against the Boys? The Cardinals OL is terrible.
RE: Obj trade  
christian : 9/8/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14566156 AnskyJK said:
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To not get a pass rusher back from Odell either from the trade or picks is a huge mistake


The Giants picked a DE and edge rusher with the picks from Beckham, no?
RE: Kennard was a big time miss  
TommyWiseau : 9/8/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14566173 Blue Ninja said:
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Kennard had 3 sacks today.

Most other guys let go, not so much.


3 sacks and 3 tackles for a loss today. Where the hell did this come from? He was garbage for us.
RE: RE: Kennard was a big time miss  
Blue Ninja : 9/8/2019 8:12 pm : link
In comment 14566200 Toth029 said:
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Kennard had 3 sacks today.

Most other guys let go, not so much.


Did Kennard produce against the Boys? The Cardinals OL is terrible.


No, but he was one of their better defensive players last year and finished with 14 QB hits, 9 TFLs and 7 sacks. A very good player.
RE: Three year plan  
lecky : 9/8/2019 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14566135 justafan said:
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I'll judge him next year. Snacks was old. Apple was a bust. OV was a dud. I get you're mad, but I still view this as a year two of a three-year rebuild. The DT/DEs look good. The secondary talent is promising. We do need improvements at ILB and pass rusher.


3 year plan. Seems we have been saying that for 7 years.
DG two drafts have so far been decent  
Bluesbreaker : 9/8/2019 8:29 pm : link
Especially if Jones becomes what Eli was .
We will have a lot of cap space we have to see how the last
two drafts progress .
I will say this I am not big on Shurmur this to me is a make or break year for him .
RE: RE: Kennard was a big time miss  
Rjanyg : 9/8/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14566211 TommyWiseau said:
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Kennard had 3 sacks today.

Most other guys let go, not so much.



3 sacks and 3 tackles for a loss today. Where the hell did this come from? He was garbage for us.


Kennard was a very solid player for us. Is now in his prime.
No they are not good moves imo..  
prdave73 : 9/8/2019 8:33 pm : link
and the draft is very suspect to be honest. QB better pan out I'm telling you. Picked up another fatty for the dline, no edger rusher, and gave up picks to move up for a guy who doesn't have much speed, but is overly confident..? ok..
Well, he did trade Harrison for a fifth round draft pick.  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/8/2019 8:42 pm : link
Pro Football Focus named him the third most effective D-Lineman against the run last season, but who are they?

One doesn't have to look at Gettleman's moves one by one.

The performance of the defense today tells us everything we have to know about how the man has performed in his job.
RE: Well, he did trade Harrison for a fifth round draft pick.  
eli4life : 9/8/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14566400 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Pro Football Focus named him the third most effective D-Lineman against the run last season, but who are they?

One doesn't have to look at Gettleman's moves one by one.

The performance of the defense today tells us everything we have to know about how the man has performed in his job.


He basically gutted the defense within the past 12 months which should of been done before he got here. You canít replace everything overnight especially when you donít have a lot of cap to work with. We have some good young pieces to build around and we are eating all the dead money this season. Yes they sucked today and will be painful at times but will be better for it long term
I think the problem is  
jeff57 : 9/8/2019 8:55 pm : link
We donít have enough Arizona castoffs.
Devon Kennard  
jeff57 : 9/8/2019 8:57 pm : link
3 sacks and 3 TFL today.
Kennard was a pretty good player here  
Greg from LI : 9/8/2019 9:00 pm : link
He just got injured a lot
Or Gettlemanís fault Betcher  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/8/2019 9:16 pm : link
Kept Hamilton in. Wtf. And they called Elvis Toast

Defensive coaching has been abysmal for
Too long
RE: He drafted Hill, Carter, Lawrence....which look solid  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14566144 George from PA said:
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Connerly, Balentine look promising.



I keep hearing how good these guys look, but come game day they all pretty much sucked. Except Connelly who had a couple of flashes today.

Kennard was mediocre here  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2019 9:52 pm : link
and always hurt. I can't fault getting rid of him at all.
RE: RE: He drafted Hill, Carter, Lawrence....which look solid  
jcn56 : 9/8/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14566715 Bill in UT said:
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Connerly, Balentine look promising.





I keep hearing how good these guys look, but come game day they all pretty much sucked. Except Connelly who had a couple of flashes today.


Hill has actually played above his weight. The rest? TBD.
RE: RE: Three year plan  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14566266 lecky said:
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I'll judge him next year. Snacks was old. Apple was a bust. OV was a dud. I get you're mad, but I still view this as a year two of a three-year rebuild. The DT/DEs look good. The secondary talent is promising. We do need improvements at ILB and pass rusher.



3 year plan. Seems we have been saying that for 7 years.


Maybe you have.
Kennard had more sacks today  
santacruzom : 9/8/2019 10:57 pm : link
Than any of our starting LBs might earn all season.
I liked Kennard when he was here - I thought he was one of our  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 11:04 pm : link
better players
Kennard was a mistake, a guy that was drafted here out of  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/8/2019 11:04 pm : link
position that flashed but was hurt. All of a sudden he's healthy and flashes and we are moving back to a 3/4 and he could have been had for a reasonable contract. That was a mistake of DGs arrogance and I'm a huge fan of what he has down. To me it is a simple case of getting rid of the baby with the bathwater because he wanted to clear house.
RE: Kennard was a pretty good player here  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 12:23 am : link
In comment 14566490 Greg from LI said:
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He just got injured a lot


And worse than that he was drafted by Reese, which is why he had to go. Reese found Okwara too so he had to go as well.

What choice to DG have?
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