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How about we talk about the non call on the rollout

BillT : 9/8/2019 7:57 pm
They threw a flag and the ref had them pick it up!!

It like the “tackling by the helmet” all over again. I’m stunned.
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RE: The refs sucked tonight...  
ChaChing : 9/8/2019 9:23 pm : link
In comment 14566589 M.S. said:
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...and we got screwed.

But the Giants defense sucked so much more!

/thread
RE: If Eli made a mistake  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14566594 crick n NC said:
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Not throwing on fourth down was it somehow larger than the refs mistake of allowing a defender to tackle an eligible receiver?


Irrelevant. Just throw the ball.

You can argue about who was more wrong later...
Irrelevant  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:26 pm : link
Make the right call.
RE: Perrera said it was a penalty  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14566274 section125 said:
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even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.

Yes blown call.


Yes this is correct. Even if Eli tried to run it, its still a penalty. Sure the WR can now be blocked, but he can't be tackled from behind. No player can. Its call defensive holding
RE: Irrelevant  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14566604 crick n NC said:
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Make the right call.


So eating it was a smarter move? It was 4th down so whats the difference. He took a hit unneedlessly. And if he throws it you could also get the PI call, and/or roughing the passer.

there was no downside and all upside...
I'm not arguing  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:34 pm : link
That. Ref missed the call regardless of what the qb did.
Yes. I have heard that happens in football  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:38 pm : link
so you keep playing regardless of seeing or not seeing a flag...
I didn't see the player  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:41 pm : link
Stop playing, he made a split decision to not throw the ball to sheperd which in this case had no bearing on the play. They missed the call. If you see it more of a mistake on the qb then obviously that's your view. I certainly don't see it that way.
It's absolutely a blown call  
D-Rod : 9/8/2019 9:43 pm : link
No question. BUT, if he had thrown it in the vicinity, there would be no way they would have pick up the flag and made the call they ended up making.
It absolutely had a bearing on the play  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:44 pm : link
and I have spelled out exactly how...

RE: It's absolutely a blown call  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14566684 D-Rod said:
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No question. BUT, if he had thrown it in the vicinity, there would be no way they would have pick up the flag and made the call they ended up making.


Except the call was illegal contact. You're assuming they would have made the right call. And considering they missed this fall I don't see that as guaranteed.
RE: Yes. I have heard that happens in football  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14566654 Jimmy Googs said:
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so you keep playing regardless of seeing or not seeing a flag...


Your idea of keep playing might have been to throw to the spot a guy was just tackled at. Eli saw shepard was tackled and tried to then run for the first. No QB instinctively will throw the ball just to throw it if there isn't a receiver there to catch it.
Googs  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:46 pm : link
It's pretty simple and straight forward.

We don't agree.
RE: RE: It's absolutely a blown call  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14566690 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14566684 D-Rod said:


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No question. BUT, if he had thrown it in the vicinity, there would be no way they would have pick up the flag and made the call they ended up making.



Except the call was illegal contact. You're assuming they would have made the right call. And considering they missed this fall I don't see that as guaranteed.


Nothing is guaranteed, which is why you throw it.

keep digging in more...
Speaking of  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:47 pm : link
Digging in.
Are you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 9:48 pm : link
really saying the better play was to throw the ball to try and make sure the penalty was enforced? A penalty where the flag wasn't thrown while the play was still going on?

C'mon now. This is madness.
RE: RE: Yes. I have heard that happens in football  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14566694 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14566654 Jimmy Googs said:


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so you keep playing regardless of seeing or not seeing a flag...



Your idea of keep playing might have been to throw to the spot a guy was just tackled at. Eli saw shepard was tackled and tried to then run for the first. No QB instinctively will throw the ball just to throw it if there isn't a receiver there to catch it.


plenty of QBs throw the ball in vicinity of potential defensive penalty. And its 4th down...so whats the downside. Is it better to take a hit for no reason.

Look he didnt throw...he should have.

And we still lose but its an example of what not to do...
RE: Speaking of  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:51 pm : link
In comment 14566704 crick n NC said:
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Digging in.


i already did
Cool  
crick n NC : 9/8/2019 9:54 pm : link
.
I'm calling...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 9:54 pm : link
bullshit on that.

When do QB's throw the ball anticipating defensive holding? They may throw back shoulder balls or throw balls when the DB isn't turned around, but when are they throwing at players who have been tackled? Especially those out of bounds.

Especially when the flag wasn't thrown until after the play was done?

This is a lot of gymnastics to try and blame Eli here. Even more than usual.
RE: Are you..  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14566707 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really saying the better play was to throw the ball to try and make sure the penalty was enforced?


Sure, this isn't groundbreaking. Oh, and did I mention it was 4th down so what difference does it make?

Was Renaldo Nehemiah going to show his newly found Olympic track skills and run it in?
Sigh..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 9:55 pm : link
at least now I'm realizing why you don't participate on football threads very often.
Sigh  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:57 pm : link
at least your calming down when you argue with other posters unneedlessly...
RE: RE: Are you..  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14566738 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14566707 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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really saying the better play was to throw the ball to try and make sure the penalty was enforced?



Sure, this isn't groundbreaking. Oh, and did I mention it was 4th down so what difference does it make?

Was Renaldo Nehemiah going to show his newly found Olympic track skills and run it in?

If you blew the WR out (uncalled as it was) and the Qb, throwing it silly-nilly because, hey, it’s 4th down so what’s the diff, leaving you an easy pick 6, are you saying that you’re absolving the QB of any fault?

Bad things can still happen from stupid decisions. Even on 4th down.
Right the pick 6 was what Eli should be worried about  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:05 pm : link
in that situation.

Running near out of bounds, with his WR and the defenders all heading towards the turf in the end zone at that moment.

Yes...Eli shouldnt turn, throw across the field and lob it like he is looking for David Tyree. Does that work better Bill?

RE: Right the pick 6 was what Eli should be worried about  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14566785 Jimmy Googs said:
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in that situation.

Running near out of bounds, with his WR and the defenders all heading towards the turf in the end zone at that moment.

Yes...Eli shouldnt turn, throw across the field and lob it like he is looking for David Tyree. Does that work better Bill?

You don’t just throw the ball for no reason simply because it’s 4th down. A pick 6 is as likely an outcome as any other, especially when you throw it k owing your receiver was just blown out.
Well Bill  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:12 pm : link
I guess we should be happy Eli kept the game from being a blowout at that moment...
RE: Well Bill  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14566813 Jimmy Googs said:
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I guess we should be happy Eli kept the game from being a blowout at that moment...

Nope. But you seem to want people to do stupid self-destructive things for no reason. And, if they did, I somehow doubt you’d praise them for it. So, one can only conclude you just want to set things up so you can bitch some more.
Look...I think this was just a fairly easy viewpoint  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:21 pm : link
especially since its 4th down.

I am not blaming the loss on Eli at all, but this thread was about this play and the better thing to do was to throw the ball.

Some of you all can't let go of defending Eli to the end of time...
Defending..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 10:22 pm : link
Eli?? This is more like wondering what the fuck happened to logic.
RE: The refs sucked tonight...  
D-Rod : 9/8/2019 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14566589 M.S. said:
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...and we got screwed.

But the Giants defense sucked so much more!


Definitely agree!
Yes, how illogical it would have been to just  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:28 pm : link
throw the ball into the ground around the goal line/pylon.

crazy stuff...
Actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/8/2019 10:32 pm : link
it is really fucking illogical.

Are you seriously arguing that the best play was to throw the ball in the ground? Over trying to see if anyone else got open or to run for it?

Sadly, you actually think a point is being made.
The best thing to do was absolutely to throw the ball  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:34 pm : link
versus what happened.
LMAO  
montanagiant : 9/8/2019 10:34 pm : link
Too funny
RE: The best thing to do was absolutely to throw the ball  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:44 pm : link
In comment 14566891 Jimmy Googs said:
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versus what happened.

Your optometrist must laud you for your 20/20 hindsight.
Don't need 20/20  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:46 pm : link
just a QB that needed to release the ball.
RE: Don't need 20/20  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:47 pm : link
In comment 14566928 Jimmy Googs said:
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just a QB that needed to release the ball.

Again, no professional player just blindly throws a ball like you are insisting he do. It just doesn’t happen.
RE: Agree with that except he should have  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/8/2019 10:51 pm : link
In comment 14566544 Jimmy Googs said:
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thrown the ball.

It was 4th down. There is no downside.


Yeah but a pick 6 going in the other direction could be the downside. Shep was on the ground.
The Giants were on the 7 yard line  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 10:53 pm : link
and it was 4th down! And the scoring wasn't exactly going back and forth in some tight game.

Can you lose the dramatics already of some kind of risky throw...
Damn,  
montanagiant : 9/9/2019 12:28 am : link
Eli  
rocco8112 : 9/9/2019 6:21 am : link
was hit helmet to helmet, for the second time in the game, and there was no call. The one on this play was clear as day. The Dallas defender hit Eli in the helmet with his, 99 percent of the time it is called, but the league had it teed up for big D yesterday, they desperately want this team in the hunt.

Thing is, they wasted their time, they should have picked refs from another league darling team to lean on. Dallas did not need help from the zebras to destroy this team. Dallas would have dropped a fifty burger if they didn't ease up in the fourth quarter.

Eli did get jobbed twice when he was hit in the head.

For those calling for Eli to just throw it, I assume they mean out of bounds or out the back of the endzone, just chuckng it to the spot where Shep should have been but he was out muscled and dominated on the play could lead to disaster.

Shep also had a big drop on an Eli laser that would have been a TD. He was invisible otherwise. Horrible job by WR 1 in week one. Likely he will not be up to the task, not a big deal there is plenty of ineptitude on this team to join him.
RE: Eli  
chuckydee9 : 9/9/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14567163 rocco8112 said:
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was hit helmet to helmet, for the second time in the game, and there was no call. The one on this play was clear as day. The Dallas defender hit Eli in the helmet with his, 99 percent of the time it is called, but the league had it teed up for big D yesterday, they desperately want this team in the hunt.

Thing is, they wasted their time, they should have picked refs from another league darling team to lean on. Dallas did not need help from the zebras to destroy this team. Dallas would have dropped a fifty burger if they didn't ease up in the fourth quarter.

Eli did get jobbed twice when he was hit in the head.




There were many games with good QBS where a play like that wasn't flagged.. Cam Newton always complains about those as well.. it happens.. its better that happened to us at a non impactful juncture in what happens to be relative meaningless game rather than a playoff game.. There is no league wide agenda to make the cowboys win..
Per Sy's game review thread...shocking viewpoint, huh?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2019 9:19 am : link

Later in the drive, Manning had a 4th-and-1 play-action rollout where there was nothing to lose. The initial read was Sterling Shepard, who was running along the goal line more than open enough. Manning hesitated, again, and held onto the ball with multiple DAL defenders closing in on him. The cement-footed QB did his best version of a juke but it resulted in a sack-fumble. A turnover. He has to know by now that in a situation where you are down 18 in the second half and you are that close to the end zone, you have to throw it. Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it. Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.
It sure looked like they tackled Shep  
ron mexico : 9/10/2019 9:21 am : link
but it was when he was at the boundary and tried to reverse field.

Not sure what the right call was for that part of the play.

The key..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2019 9:34 am : link
word in there is "up"

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Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it.


Not toss it into the fucking ground.
RE: RE: Don't need 20/20  
ron mexico : 9/10/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14566929 Bill L said:
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In comment 14566928 Jimmy Googs said:


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just a QB that needed to release the ball.


Again, no professional player just blindly throws a ball like you are insisting he do. It just doesn’t happen.


RE: The key..  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14569930 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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word in there is "up"



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Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it.



Not toss it into the fucking ground.


lord...
Silly  
Thegratefulhead : 9/10/2019 10:04 am : link
Although this thread is entertaining it is also really silly.
Eli absolutely 100% should have thrown that ball  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/10/2019 10:10 am : link
If Shep gets tackled while the ball is in the air it's interference. A penalty which can now be reviewed even if the refs miss it. This thread is garbage
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