shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
When a QB rolls out you can knock the receiver down. There is no illegal contact. If the ball was thrown it could have been pass interference but there is no illegal contact unless it happened prior to the QB rolling out. Do you guys watch football?
shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
Throw to who. They tackled his WR
Exactly...isnt that why you throw it in that direction. To get the call.
BTW - Shepard was open before he was hit. The ball didn't get thrown
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
When a QB rolls out you can knock the receiver down. There is no illegal contact. If the ball was thrown it could have been pass interference but there is no illegal contact unless it happened prior to the QB rolling out. Do you guys watch football?
The rules expert on the broadcast said it should have been a penalty. You can make contact but you can’t tackle the WR.
When a QB rolls out you can knock the receiver down. There is no illegal contact. If the ball was thrown it could have been pass interference but there is no illegal contact unless it happened prior to the QB rolling out. Do you guys watch football?
The rules expert on the broadcast said it should have been a penalty. You can make contact but you can’t tackle the WR.
The defender ran through the receiver and they fell. What penalty would it be because illegal contact is not an option.
Why didn’t Shurmur challenge it for defensive pass interference? Â
I mean after like four failures at least
change it up have a play where you stop and throw back
the other way . The misuse of Barkley is more concerning
not once did they line him out wide .
One wheel route where they were not on the same page.
I mean after like four failures at least
change it up have a play where you stop and throw back
the other way . The misuse of Barkley is more concerning
not once did they line him out wide .
One wheel route where they were not on the same page.
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
He was actually hit 3 times in the head that went uncalled. All on crucial plays
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
agree, Eli rocked twice in head, no call. Doesn't matter because the HC and defense are so bad.
you can't tackle a WR regardless, unless the ball is in the air and gets tipped, which it didn't. Tackle box or not
Also for all the protection of players & QBs, another direct Eli helmet-to-helmet hit on that play but no call. Even if you deemed him a runner. I forget who but we had a poster who was all over this on the game thread, saying how Eli legit doesn't get this call while our D can sneeze on a helmet for 15 yds...gotta agree
For all the 'safe than sorry' I aint seen NYG / Eli get that benefit too often (tho they've sucked and would still lose most games like today)
shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
Throw to who. They tackled his WR
Yeah, but if he threw it, then there is no way they could pick up the flag.
even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.
Yes blown call.
Sounds like it
DEFENSIVE HOLDING Article 6 A defensive player may not: (a) tackle or hold an opponent other than a runner. Otherwise, he may use his hands, arms or body only to defend or protect himself against an obstructing opponent in an attempt to reach a runner. After a loose ball has touched the ground, a defensive player may legally block or otherwise use his hands or arms to push or pull an opponent out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball;
....I think I have seen games where when a QB is scrambling and behind the LOS, seen linebackers take cheap shots and knock receivers right off their feet without penalty.
even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.
Yes blown call.
Really confused about this...so if any QB rolls out, you should just simply tackle the player you are guarding???
You can't tackle. The defender can absolutely run through/knock down a receiver when the QB is out of the pocket. If the ball is in the air, then it becomes pass interference (assuming the receiver being knocked down is the intended target).
I'm always reminded of the play by Richard Sherman against Buffalo in 2016. From that point on, I wish the Giants would coach it. Putting the receiver on the ground makes defending much easier. Those who advocate for mobile/scrambling receivers, well there are downsides that perfectly legal. Richard Sherman knows the rules - ( New Window )
If that was simply just contact, then yes, there is no penalty for illegal contact. However, Shepard was grabbed and tackled/thrown to the ground. That is a penalty no matter what. It is holding as is, or PI if the pass was thrown.
Besides that terrible pick-up of the flag, how do they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Eli? I'm sorry, but that gets called against every other QB in the league. On the final drive, Jones also got hit on the knee a good 2 seconds (or more) after he threw the ball with no call. He was standing upright in the pocket watching the play. That is roughing the passer and also a penalty for hitting him in the knee, I believe.
even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.
Yes blown call.
Yes this is correct. Even if Eli tried to run it, its still a penalty. Sure the WR can now be blocked, but he can't be tackled from behind. No player can. Its call defensive holding
Or , you know, running it on 3rd and 4th & 1
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
No just a blown call an utterly egregious blown call. He was rolling out to throw the the WR they tackled.
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
Throw to who. They tackled his WR
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shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
Throw to who. They tackled his WR
Exactly...isnt that why you throw it in that direction. To get the call.
BTW - Shepard was open before he was hit. The ball didn't get thrown
...it was helmet to the head.
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
The rules expert on the broadcast said it should have been a penalty. You can make contact but you can’t tackle the WR.
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When a QB rolls out you can knock the receiver down. There is no illegal contact. If the ball was thrown it could have been pass interference but there is no illegal contact unless it happened prior to the QB rolling out. Do you guys watch football?
The rules expert on the broadcast said it should have been a penalty. You can make contact but you can’t tackle the WR.
The defender ran through the receiver and they fell. What penalty would it be because illegal contact is not an option.
How can it be pass interference when there was no pass?
Yeah that's what I was saying. Not sure what the hell Eli was doing there.
And he took a hit and since he seemed to be acting like a runner I think the refs allowed the hit to the helmet.
that was an example of what not to do at QB...
They add up though. Just need another 20 or so calls.
:-)
change it up have a play where you stop and throw back
the other way . The misuse of Barkley is more concerning
not once did they line him out wide .
One wheel route where they were not on the same page.
change it up have a play where you stop and throw back
the other way . The misuse of Barkley is more concerning
not once did they line him out wide .
One wheel route where they were not on the same page.
...it was helmet to the head.
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
He was actually hit 3 times in the head that went uncalled. All on crucial plays
Yes blown call.
...it was helmet to the head.
And Eli was hit in the head another time in the pocket. But no call.
So that's at least two blown calls.
But in the end, does it really matter with the pass rush we have and the pass defense we have? And that says nothing about the brilliant way Shurmur coached the team today.
agree, Eli rocked twice in head, no call. Doesn't matter because the HC and defense are so bad.
Your 2019 New York Football Giants
Also for all the protection of players & QBs, another direct Eli helmet-to-helmet hit on that play but no call. Even if you deemed him a runner. I forget who but we had a poster who was all over this on the game thread, saying how Eli legit doesn't get this call while our D can sneeze on a helmet for 15 yds...gotta agree
For all the 'safe than sorry' I aint seen NYG / Eli get that benefit too often (tho they've sucked and would still lose most games like today)
That what the rules guy on the broadcast said.
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shouldn't he have thrown the ball? It was 4th down so why hold it, take a hit especially if he wasn't going to keep rolling/running. Don't you have to throw it to get pass interference?
Wasn't listening to the game announcers so fill me in on what I am missing?
Throw to who. They tackled his WR
Yeah, but if he threw it, then there is no way they could pick up the flag.
Yes blown call.
Sounds like it
DEFENSIVE HOLDING Article 6 A defensive player may not: (a) tackle or hold an opponent other than a runner. Otherwise, he may use his hands, arms or body only to defend or protect himself against an obstructing opponent in an attempt to reach a runner. After a loose ball has touched the ground, a defensive player may legally block or otherwise use his hands or arms to push or pull an opponent out of the way in a personal attempt to recover the ball;
Yes blown call.
Really confused about this...so if any QB rolls out, you should just simply tackle the player you are guarding???
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even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.
Yes blown call.
Really confused about this...so if any QB rolls out, you should just simply tackle the player you are guarding???
Exactly. That’s why it was a penalty.
If the QB throws it, however, they can be PI.
I also think flat out tackling a player not with the football is some sort of penalty lol
So...I am not so sure. Confusing.
Has the stupidity gotten that bad?
If it was legal to tackle players downfield, you'd teach throwing the WR's to the ground every time the QB left the pocket.
It isn't illegal contact - it is defensive holding - or if the ball is in the air - it is PI.
That's why you'll hear the ref on defensive holding often say "Before the ball was thrown...."
Are the rules unknown or is this just another cheap shot at eli for not throwing the ball to a guy who got wiped out on the play?
And that play is also not reviewable because it is defensive holding and not PI
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even though Eli was out of the pocket because he was tackled - defensive holding.
Yes blown call.
Really confused about this...so if any QB rolls out, you should just simply tackle the player you are guarding???
You can't tackle. The defender can absolutely run through/knock down a receiver when the QB is out of the pocket. If the ball is in the air, then it becomes pass interference (assuming the receiver being knocked down is the intended target).
I'm always reminded of the play by Richard Sherman against Buffalo in 2016. From that point on, I wish the Giants would coach it. Putting the receiver on the ground makes defending much easier. Those who advocate for mobile/scrambling receivers, well there are downsides that perfectly legal.
Richard Sherman knows the rules - ( New Window )
I'm sure there'd be no outrage if eli threw the ball to a bare spot on the field.
It was a penalty regardless of if the ball was thrown or not.
It was 4th down. There is no downside.
Force the issue
Besides that terrible pick-up of the flag, how do they not call the helmet to helmet hit on Eli? I'm sorry, but that gets called against every other QB in the league. On the final drive, Jones also got hit on the knee a good 2 seconds (or more) after he threw the ball with no call. He was standing upright in the pocket watching the play. That is roughing the passer and also a penalty for hitting him in the knee, I believe.
...and we got screwed.
But the Giants defense sucked so much more!
...and we got screwed.
But the Giants defense sucked so much more!
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Irrelevant. Just throw the ball.
You can argue about who was more wrong later...
Yes blown call.
Yes this is correct. Even if Eli tried to run it, its still a penalty. Sure the WR can now be blocked, but he can't be tackled from behind. No player can. Its call defensive holding