was a horrible mistake, they should have brought in another vet on less money (like a Case Keenum type) and invested in bringing in some quality veterans on defense. This is a joke of a roster defensively. I think we might have the worst defense in the history of the NFL. It's a embarrassment. Eli shouldn't be in the NFL at all, let alone taking up 20 million in salary. Epic stupid decision by management.
No. 1966 Giants
Fair post...
...I dunno why we're getting yelled at about it...
but fair
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For fucks sake, its not about Eli! Lemme say that again: Its. Not. About. Eli. Its about being ready to move the franchise forward and let the new QB gain experience while the team is in transition.
Fair post...
...I dunno why we're getting yelled at about it...
but fair
Its addressed to those who cant seem to extricate their feelings about Eli from the discussion of whats best for the team.
Why Not? What did he do to help score more points? We know the defense sucks, that we all can agree on. Why is Mr. Manning not the story?
With this roster, we need the D to make more than 2 stops
It is fairly clear that the giants are likely they 4th team in this division and there aren’t a lot of wins on that schedule. You can lose with Eli or without eli, but not getting Jones valuable experience is just a waste of a season. There is no reason for Jones to have been on the sideline nearly the entire second half.
Rebuild in the NFL don’t take years anymore and the Giants need to know what they have in Jones sooner rather than later. It doesn’t take 4 years to know what you have in a qb anymore, you will have a good sense by the end of year two. Continuing to trot manning out for the sake of the past will hold the franchise back.
With this roster, we need the D to make more than 2 stops
Lol oh lord. Listen you have me with our D not being good. But an NFL offense just can’t shut down after being down a few TDS in 2019. It just can’t. In a few weeks when teams are in sync, teams will realistically understand that their D will possibly give 27 points plus. Which brings me back to my first point. We are rebuilding. We need to act as such. Rip the band aid. It’s not his fault but we need to turn to the future.
There is no benefit in having him here in his current capacity the way this team is currently constructed. All it is doing is delaying the real change that needs to take place to finally begin THE PROCESS.
Certainly underuntilized SB. IMO EE was key early, then not at all til garbage time. Seemed like they were using him like a conventional TE, button hooks / stop routes and what not, vs using his speed up against the D & leading him in stride. Poor playcall was huge no doubt but Eli didn't help that much even so
But Eli really wasn't all that good, nice comp% notwithstanding, bigger issues aside
TBF most people aren't just piling on Eli, everyone agrees the D was by far the biggest issue. And yet, you can have more than one issue...
But carry on calling others idiots...and quoting his slightly above avg passer rating of all things as some big indication of good performance
That was Spags claim to fame!
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21 points in the 1st qtr the gameplan of your Offense is changed drastically. You're now asking a team whose best receiver is sitting out to come back against one of the better defenses in the league. Being able to use SB in the running game becomes limited, when that goes so does the play-action that worked so well on the first drive.
With this roster, we need the D to make more than 2 stops
Lol oh lord. Listen you have me with our D not being good. But an NFL offense just can’t shut down after being down a few TDS in 2019. It just can’t. In a few weeks when teams are in sync, teams will realistically understand that their D will possibly give 27 points plus. Which brings me back to my first point. We are rebuilding. We need to act as such. Rip the band aid. It’s not his fault but we need to turn to the future.
There's no question we are rebuilding and are at least a year away. But with that said sticking a rook in there against this D is nothing more than a horrible idea.
The game was lost midway through the 2nd period, why risk our future when we have a QB on the last year of his contract who has zero blame for the loss?
Eli will start until they have 10 losses, but Jones will play some when the game gets out of hand.
Jones will play....maybe 4 full games and half of many others. He will show glimpses but fumbles a lot and generally not elevating the team.
Eli will finish with good stats, mostly in garbage time, and with a career record under .500.
We will get the 3rd pick, and pass on a QB because we want to take a longer look at Jones.
Next year will be chalked up as Jones' learning year. And Shurm and crew get to return for one more year.
Pretty soon it'll be 10 years since the Giants have won a playoff game.
The Cowboys but up 500 yards of offence...do you blame Eli for the 500 yards of offence the Cowboys put up??? Please let us know what Eli could have done to stop the Cowboys O today???
The problem with this board is too many low IQ MORONS are allowed to post!!! maybe Eric needs to allow vetted posters only...posters with a shred intelligence...DELETE YOUR POST YOU ARE PROVING YOURSELF TO BE AN IDIOT!!!
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Just way too unathletic to be in this league anymore.. Is that a word...unathletic?
The Cowboys but up 500 yards of offence...do you blame Eli for the 500 yards of offence the Cowboys put up??? Please let us know what Eli could have done to stop the Cowboys O today???
The problem with this board is too many low IQ MORONS are allowed to post!!! maybe Eric needs to allow vetted posters only...posters with a shred intelligence...DELETE YOUR POST YOU ARE PROVING YOURSELF TO BE AN IDIOT!!!
The unatheltic quote is stupid. but saying we should move on from Eli doesn’t mean we’re placing the entire teams problems on him...if you can’t separate that....you’re making this boards overall IQ lower.
You all are wasting your breath talking about Eli Manning and the Giants. Just let it go.
Could it be the money?
They got 6 kickoffs after the first drive and came away with 3 points. The d made the game unwinnable but the offense was just as useless.
Those numbers are completely meaningingless. This was one of the most embarassing and saddening defeats I can remember, and Eli did NOTHING to alleviate the pain. His passer rating is good, 309 yards aint to shabby, but i would rather have 25-30 other qbs play instead. Couldn't be worse.
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And it's Eli's fault...
Only on BBI do you get this kind of take
Only on BBI do we discuss this stuff, and if you do not think the game has passed Eli by then you need to watch the game more closely
LOL, He had over 300 yards Spanky, how did the game pass him bye? Please enlighten us!
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And it's Eli's fault...
Only on BBI do you get this kind of take
Only on BBI do we discuss this stuff, and if you do not think the game has passed Eli by then you need to watch the game more closely
LOL, He had over 300 yards Spanky, how did the game pass him bye? Please enlighten us!
He only put up 3 points in between the first drive and the last drive(during a blowout where Dallas's defense was more worried about what they were going to have for dinner than getting a stop) of the game. Did you watch it?
Uselessin the red zone. Useless in long yardage. Useless on 3rd down but he has a 95 passer rating, let's give him a 5 year extension.
Only on BBI do you get this kind of take
Did the OP say that it was Eli's fault? Or just that it was pointless to bring him back on this crappy roster rather than just getting a cheap placeholder QB and fortifying the defense?
I'm pretty sure whatever triggered your defensiveness happened in your own head there, so maybe don't start with the "only on BBI" bullshit?
But we continue to see Eli not really making a difference, so the clock ticks...
I agree with this assessment. We all know Eli is merely a mediocre qb with lifetime mediocre stats....and basically has always been mediocre save a few great moments at the end of the two super bowls when he had a great defense to keep the score low.
I think out of respect he was given this final chance to show us what he has. But clearly his physical skill sets are inferior to DJ, so I think the change will happen sooner than later.
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And it's Eli's fault...
Only on BBI do you get this kind of take
Only on BBI do we discuss this stuff, and if you do not think the game has passed Eli by then you need to watch the game more closely
LOL, He had over 300 yards Spanky, how did the game pass him bye? Please enlighten us!
Oh here we go - it looks like MG is going to treat us to his dep jr routine!
Would also love to see some positive flashes from *any* of the new secondary. Thank goodness Jenkins is at least on the team.
Sorry - had to vent - that was such a disappointing game on so many levels.
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In comment 14566313 montanagiant said:
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And it's Eli's fault...
Only on BBI do you get this kind of take
Only on BBI do we discuss this stuff, and if you do not think the game has passed Eli by then you need to watch the game more closely
LOL, He had over 300 yards Spanky, how did the game pass him bye? Please enlighten us!
Oh here we go - it looks like MG is going to treat us to his dep jr routine!
Great Example of when you got nothing else...LOL
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Darnold looked bad most of the game. So did Josh Allen. Kyler Murray completed just over 50% of his passes lol. Brees threw a bad pick. Rodgers and Trubisky looked bad most of the game. Rodgers threw off his back foot and threw multiple bad passes. Matt Ryan had 3 picks. Jared Goff threw for 186 yards and a pick. Should I go on?
Eli missed Shepard and tried to run for a 1st down instead. That was his worst play.
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1 bad play on Sunday. Brees had a few. Brady missed an easy 2 yard pass he threw in the dirt. It's unreal how critical we are of Eli.
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Except Eli’s qbr was 95.5 just a little off
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1 bad play on Sunday. Brees had a few. Brady missed an easy 2 yard pass he threw in the dirt. It's unreal how critical we are of Eli.
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Except Eli’s qbr was 95.5 just a little off
I believe he is using ESPN's rating. Convenient huh? The offense moved the ball against what is supposed to be a very good defense.
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1 bad play on Sunday. Brees had a few. Brady missed an easy 2 yard pass he threw in the dirt. It's unreal how critical we are of Eli.
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Except Eli’s qbr was 95.5 just a little off
You are referring to the inferior Passer Rating.
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1 bad play on Sunday. Brees had a few. Brady missed an easy 2 yard pass he threw in the dirt. It's unreal how critical we are of Eli.
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Except Eli’s qbr was 95.5 just a little off
QBR and passer rating are not the same stat.
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In comment 14570105 weaverpsu said:
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1 bad play on Sunday. Brees had a few. Brady missed an easy 2 yard pass he threw in the dirt. It's unreal how critical we are of Eli.
QBR from this weekend:
Eli - 22.4
Brady - 90
Breed - 78.2
Let me anticipate - this stat is skewed anti-Giants/Eli because the media hates the Giants...right?
Except Eli’s qbr was 95.5 just a little off
You are referring to the inferior Passer Rating.
Considering, I watched the game and Eli played average at worst, I'd say QBR is the inferior rating system.
Because Eli wasn't horrible. He was average. At times, above average. At times, below average. But according to QBR, he was dreadful.
Let's compare Eli to Baker Mayfield. Both QBs on teams that got blown out. Eli had the fumble and was sacked once. Mayfield threw three picks and was sacked six times. QBR said Mayfield had the better game.
Brees and Brady made more than enough big plays to make up for those.
Darnold looked bad most of the game. So did Josh Allen. Kyler Murray completed just over 50% of his passes lol. Brees threw a bad pick. Rodgers and Trubisky looked bad most of the game. Rodgers threw off his back foot and threw multiple bad passes. Matt Ryan had 3 picks. Jared Goff threw for 186 yards and a pick. Should I go on?
Eli missed Shepard and tried to run for a 1st down instead. That was his worst play.
Have those QBs missed playoffs in bulk of a decade?
Because Eli wasn't horrible. He was average. At times, above average. At times, below average. But according to QBR, he was dreadful.
Let's compare Eli to Baker Mayfield. Both QBs on teams that got blown out. Eli had the fumble and was sacked once. Mayfield threw three picks and was sacked six times. QBR said Mayfield had the better game.