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Notes on Former Giants' Defensive Players

SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/8/2019 8:36 pm
Expected a difficult year of transition. Did not expect a year of humiliation. Looking at Eric's roster, it appears that most of the defensive players were undrafted free agents, or players waived by other teams who originally acquired them as undrafted free agents. How does Hamilton wind up on the field? Then there are a few promising rookies not ready to start who are starting.

Let's look at how some former Giants defensive players who were disposed of by Gettlemen are doing.

Damon "Snacks" Harrison received a one year extension fom the Lions on his contract through 2021 that was worth about 11 million dollars.

Harrison is a key part of Detroit's defensive line as one of the top run-stoppers in the league. He has played in 102 games, starting 95 of them -- including playing in 17 games last season. He has nine sacks and four forced fumbles in his career, but the 350-pound tackle is dominant against the run. Pro Football Focus graded him as the No. 3 interior defender in the NFL last season and said he had the best run-stop percentage in the NFL (16%) last year

Jason Pierre Paul was the 65th best player in the NFL last year according to the annual player survey conducted by NFL.com. On the link below hear his teammates praise him for the effort he put out all season despite having to play through a lot of pain.

He may miss the beginning of this season, but he is an example of the type of class player disposed of by Gettleman.

Oliver Vernon has been a welcome addition to the Brown's pass rush. This guy's sack stats were never anything to get excited about, but he did make the Pro Bowl last year and other players in the league are impressed by his quarterback hits, which are apparently hard to notice.

Vernon led the Giants last season with 7 sacks and 21 quarterback hits in 11 games. That was more than twice as many quarterback hits as any other player on the team.

Clearly he would be the best pass rusher on this squad. A line of Harrison, JPP and Vernon would be overpaid but would leave the team competitive at least until they had cheaper and younger replacements. It's hard to understand how Gettleman made no attempt to replace the defensive linemen that he cut.

The Redskins are excited about Collins, giving him the game ball following their third preseason game. They even have DRC on their roster. Not supposed to play much, but cheap veteran backup who can fill-in adequately while helping the young rookies to ease into the lineup. DRC would be the 2nd best corner on this team.

This is a joke of course, but a secondary of Collins, Jenkins, DRC and Peppers doesn't sound half bad, at least compared to the stuffed strawmen out there today.

Is it an over-reaction to not see any way this team will have a competitive defense next season?

How will Mara react to another three or four win season?

Will a third straight awful season, more awful than the first two, leave this franchise in a Buffalo or Cleveland type funk from which it will take years to recover?


Lion's Praise JPP - ( New Window )
And all of them lost today  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/8/2019 8:39 pm : link
Well, Lions tied... and they are not difference makers.
I predict  
GiantEgo : 9/8/2019 8:39 pm : link
Bettcher will be scapegoated for a bad season.
Doesnít mean it would be smart to still be paying Snacks  
mfsd : 9/8/2019 8:41 pm : link
JPP and Vernon what theyíre getting paid. Same with Collins.
Yeah but  
Les in TO : 9/8/2019 8:42 pm : link
Those players didnít call Gettleman MR.
You  
Toth029 : 9/8/2019 8:44 pm : link
Don't pay mediocre production big money. That's why they moved on from JPP and Vernon. And didn't choose to pay Collins. Ogletree will be soon added. DRC is a JAG nowadays too, I don't know what you see in that.
How many times did the Giants beat Dallas with those players?  
loafin : 9/8/2019 8:52 pm : link
That's all that needs to be said...
If we are judging the Giants for 1 game  
Jay on the Island : 9/8/2019 8:54 pm : link
Why not judge Vernon for today? The Browns defense was supposed to be great this year but they gave up 43 points to Tenn and Vernon didn't even register a tackle.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2019 8:59 pm : link
I don't want Olivier Vernon anywhere near this team.
Devon Kennard  
jeff57 : 9/8/2019 9:00 pm : link
3 sacks and 3 TFL today.
RE: Devon Kennard  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/8/2019 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14566495 jeff57 said:
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3 sacks and 3 TFL today.


This is the guy who you can make a case for, especially since he is well-suited to the 3-4.
And nothing about how they played today.  
Giant John : 9/8/2019 9:05 pm : link
Delete this.
RE: You  
Greg from LI : 9/8/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14566408 Toth029 said:
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Don't pay mediocre production big money. That's why they moved on from JPP and Vernon. And didn't choose to pay Collins. Ogletree will be soon added. DRC is a JAG nowadays too, I don't know what you see in that.


Instead, they'll pay paltry performance small money. Progress!
I wouldn't want  
Bill in UT : 9/8/2019 9:40 pm : link
any of them back
Collins  
skifaster : 9/8/2019 9:49 pm : link
Watched the Eagles/Washington game. Collins could not tackle and gave up on a lot of plays in the second half.
So no one sees a need to field a team that will be respectable even in  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/8/2019 10:35 pm : link
defeat. If they should have a season worse than the last two, and are really humilliated and turned into a laughing stock, how can the coach survive another year? It would be unprecedented for a coach with an intial three seasons averaging four wins a season to retain his job, right?

Perhaps you have not noticed that the Giants have no talent on defense except for Jenkins. How many of the defensive starters and major subs have no college pedigree. They were either signed by the Giants as undrafted free agents, or they were claimed or obtained from teams where they were originally undrafted or late drafted players.

There are a few promising rookies on defense, but no one who has forcibly grabbed everyone's attention. That includes Peppers. It was said that Collins couldn't cover backs and tight ends, limiting his value. Now they are saying the same about Peppers.
(Reading an article about Peppers play vs. Broncos in his 2nd year, it seems that then Peppers started playing up near the LOS, like Collins, he had an impact as a pass rusher, like Collins. He would be valuable to the Giants in that capacity.

The game-clinching sack late in the game stands out for obvious reasons, but Peppers was a consistent presence in the backfield all game. On his nine pass-rushing snaps, he generated four total pressures, which nearly matches the total of five that he had all last season.

There are a few second year players, namely Hill and Carter, who have shown enough promise to be given this season to start making plays.

There are three well-regarded rookie draft choices in the secondary, Baker, Love and Balentine, who are being thrown out there as raw rookies in an atmosphere where they are not likely to experience much success. With no pass rush. You want to break your rookies in gradually, so they don't lose their confidence in themselves.

So, if they reach the end of this season with little or no young defensive players who look like solid starters, what's to keep Gettleman and coach from the plank. Then we start over again.

Most of you just haven't been around football long enough to realize how close this franchise is to falling into the loser funk of Buffalo and Cleveland.

Admission: This all could be a nightmare. No, this all could be week one overreaction. Dallas may be the best team in the league. Life may seem brighter after Buffalo next week (but what if they lose to Buffalo). But I just don't see much raw talent on defense.
You realize we did a lot of losing with all of those  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/8/2019 10:45 pm : link
guys on this team right? Those players were a part of some horrendous Giants defenses.

Not saying we are necessarily better without them, but a thorough housecleaning was needed and we now have a very young D trying to figure out how to play together. If you didnít expect it to be rough early on I donít think you were being realistic.
RE: RE: Devon Kennard  
Bill L : 9/8/2019 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14566504 Eric from BBI said:
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3 sacks and 3 TFL today.



This is the guy who you can make a case for, especially since he is well-suited to the 3-4.

I donít think anyone can say we didnít give him chances.
RE: RE: Devon Kennard  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 12:35 am : link
In comment 14566504 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 14566495 jeff57 said:


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3 sacks and 3 TFL today.



This is the guy who you can make a case for, especially since he is well-suited to the 3-4.


Brought in by Reese so he had to go. Same with Okwara. DG had no choice!
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