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Dallas that good or Giants that bad?

Poktown Pete : 9/8/2019 8:43 pm
What say ye all?

Looked to me today like it was more of the Cowboys being really good. Smoke and mirrors? Am hoping so, or it could be a very repulsive season.
Giants are that bad  
Greg from LI : 9/8/2019 8:44 pm : link
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Some of both  
Ira : 9/8/2019 8:45 pm : link
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Both  
Dutch77 : 9/8/2019 8:45 pm : link
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Both.  
section125 : 9/8/2019 8:45 pm : link
Dallas is really good and the Giants are very green and young.
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GiantEgo : 9/8/2019 8:46 pm : link
Yes, both
Dallas is really, really good  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/8/2019 8:48 pm : link
They don't have a weakness anywhere. I hate to admit it, but there isn't a position group that you would call anything but solid. And most are much better than that.
Dallas will play in the NFC championship game,  
CT Charlie : 9/8/2019 8:49 pm : link
and if we're 8-8 that'll be a good improvement and a good foundation. .
Thinking both  
j_rud : 9/8/2019 8:50 pm : link
Their O is gonna be tough to stop and theyre deep across the board on D.
Itís both, this season is going to be Dallasí best  
Ben in Tampa : 9/8/2019 8:54 pm : link
shot at that super bowl in this window. The roster there is impressive.

ESPN Had Giants ranked 31  
JerrysKids : 9/8/2019 8:56 pm : link
so the story is about how bad the Giants are not how good Dallas is. Dallas is a solid team probably a playoff team but not great.
Giants have the worst pass defense in the league  
jeff57 : 9/8/2019 8:58 pm : link
Except for maybe Miami.
Dallas' offense is significantly better than the Giants defense.  
Mendenhall64 : 9/8/2019 8:58 pm : link
The other sides of the ball are a toss up.
Neither  
montanagiant : 9/8/2019 8:59 pm : link
1st game of the season
It really is both  
Mike from Ohio : 9/8/2019 9:00 pm : link
The disparity in talent is pretty wide. The Giants steadfast refusal to lean on their best player doesnít help.
NYG are that bad  
The_Boss : 9/8/2019 9:04 pm : link
Defense is very young in spots (CBís), slow in others (LBís), and overrated along the DL (which Iíve said for a while).
Both. DallasíD is well above average.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/8/2019 9:05 pm : link
And Marinelli is one of The best DCs. We have an aversion to hiring top
Tier DCs when they pick an offensive OC. Betcher is a joke. M

Just a couple stops might have changed the game. This offense will get better. But this D may never Get better this year. Heís A Tim Lewis. Canít coach
Both are correct but  
morrison40 : 9/8/2019 9:09 pm : link
Neither is surprising
No team should look like we did against any team  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 9:10 pm : link
So I lean towards us being bad.
Exactly what I was thinking all game long  
redwhiteandbigblue : 9/8/2019 9:10 pm : link
For all of the posters saying this was the worst defense ever. This is very reminiscent of the Tim Lewis defenses.
Dallas' roster and coaching staff hasn't changed much in recent years.  
bceagle05 : 9/8/2019 9:16 pm : link
It gives them a big advantage in September, when most teams are in "extended preseason." They already have an established formula and identity. They'll most likely beat Washington and Miami to get to 3-0 - then the road will get a bit tougher.

As for us...we suck. Our offensive line was "upgraded" from dumpster fire to mediocre. No number #1 receiver, no pass rush, young secondary, inadequate safety and linebacker play, and a shitty head coach. A relatively weak schedule might help us find six wins, but that's about it.
Dallas is very strong...  
M.S. : 9/8/2019 9:27 pm : link

...and the Giants defense sucks.

And this is the type of game one gets.
RE: Dallas' roster and coaching staff hasn't changed much in recent years.  
Les in TO : 9/8/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14566562 bceagle05 said:
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It gives them a big advantage in September, when most teams are in "extended preseason." They already have an established formula and identity. They'll most likely beat Washington and Miami to get to 3-0 - then the road will get a bit tougher.

As for us...we suck. Our offensive line was "upgraded" from dumpster fire to mediocre. No number #1 receiver, no pass rush, young secondary, inadequate safety and linebacker play, and a shitty head coach. A relatively weak schedule might help us find six wins, but that's about it.
agreed
The sun was in the Giants' eyes  
Jimmy Googs : 9/8/2019 9:28 pm : link
We'll get 'em next time when its cloudy...
Our D is bad  
Andrew in Austin : 9/8/2019 9:31 pm : link
It would have been nice if some of our DBs were even in the TV frame on some of those touchdowns.
Hamilton canít cover or tackle
DeAndre looked slow (hopefully still just healing)
I think I heard Jabrilís name on one play
Lawrence seemed quiet as well
I expected to lose, but was hoping to see some flashes of talent at least.

Offense actually has potential if Shurmur gets his head out of his rear-end and remembers Barkley is on the team. I thought the OL actually looked better than last year at least!
Our D is bad  
Andrew in Austin : 9/8/2019 9:31 pm : link
It would have been nice if some of our DBs were even in the TV frame on some of those touchdowns.
Hamilton canít cover or tackle
DeAndre looked slow (hopefully still just healing)
I think I heard Jabrilís name on one play
Lawrence seemed quiet as well
I expected to lose, but was hoping to see some flashes of talent at least.

Offense actually has potential if Shurmur gets his head out of his rear-end and remembers Barkley is on the team. I thought the OL actually looked better than last year at least!
RE: ESPN Had Giants ranked 31  
santacruzom : 9/8/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14566476 JerrysKids said:
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so the story is about how bad the Giants are not how good Dallas is. Dallas is a solid team probably a playoff team but not great.


That caused a lot of indignant reactions around these parts but that ranking may be very close.
Dallas is really good but...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/8/2019 9:34 pm : link
...thereís no way receivers should be that open that often against another NFL team. That was disgraceful.
I don't think Dallas is as good as they looked today  
jcn56 : 9/8/2019 9:40 pm : link
I also doubt the Giants are as bad.

The problem is in terms of differential, I think the Giants are closer to being as bad as they looked than the Cowboys as good as they seemed. I don't think they'll win the division. The Giants on the other hand I think will be lucky to win 7 games. Probably another 5-11/6-10 campaign on tap.
We always lose to great teams in week one.  
Rico : 9/8/2019 9:55 pm : link
And that is always our excuse why it is OK.

Last year we lost to Jacksonville in week one, but it was close, and Jax was really good, except the weren't.

They finished 5-11 and last place in their division. The Cowboys are not great, we just made them look that way!
If we lose badly next week, then what?  
Poktown Pete : 9/8/2019 9:57 pm : link
We're talking the Bills.
Cowboys just kicked our ass so what needs to be said?  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/8/2019 10:04 pm : link
They were good we sucked. Next topic.
Giants are really THAT bad defensively.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/8/2019 10:21 pm : link
I thought the Cowboys played poorly defensively and ended up getting let off the hook by penalties and Giants' play-calling. Eli looked good, the WRs made plays, and they never really stopped Saquon.
Neither  
Scuzzlebutt : 9/8/2019 11:00 pm : link
Mental mistakes by a young secondary made it easy for Dallas. Hopefully the Giants can clean up the mistakes.
That game was a great indicator  
AcesUp : 9/8/2019 11:03 pm : link
on who we are. A soft defense and non-threatening offense. It's not all doom and gloom because there were flashes there but we're no better than a 7 win team. I'm hoping our young guys play well and the arrow starts pointing up by the end of the season.
RE: Giants are really THAT bad defensively.  
santacruzom : 9/8/2019 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14566843 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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, and they never really stopped Saquon.


Sure they did, by getting a touchdown lead over us. That effectively renders Saquon unplayable I guess.
Yes ...  
Beer Man : 9/9/2019 11:37 am : link
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