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Headscratcher on how Barkley is used

nygfaninorlando : 9/8/2019 9:25 pm
So Shurmur decides to not play Barkley in the pre season which I think most of us were fine with, but then proceeds to give him 11 carries and 15 total touches in week 1. WTF! The guy averaged 11 yard per carry today. Take out the 59 yard run and he still averaged 6 yards per carry. To not run him at least once on the 3rd and 2 or 4th and 1 when the game was still within reach (somewhat) is just assinine and bad coaching. I want Shurmur to succeed, I really do. He seems like a nice enough guy that cares for his players, but when you have the best RB in football you need to give him the ball in short yardage. Don't try to be too cute and run the full back dive or QB roll out. If he gets stuffed twice so be it. Take your chances with your best player. By the way, I heard all off season how the Giants upgraded their interior OL, which I agree they did. Put in the FB and run the ball behind Zeitler or Hernandez. Not too difficult. Heck, Zeke who had all of 3 practices under his belt touched the ball as much as Barkley today. I believe bad utilization of personnel will ultimately be the downfall for Shurmur.
I think they want to ease him back in  
Vanzetti : 9/8/2019 9:27 pm : link
Not go 30 carries his first game

People are harping on this but ye was using him to set up  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/8/2019 9:28 pm : link
Big plays outside Saquon. The rest of the guys didn't execute our QB included.
In that 1st break away, Barkley did not look like himself  
George from PA : 9/8/2019 9:29 pm : link
Which gave me the idea that he was nursing something....
And that rollout play hasnít worked  
NikkiMac : 9/8/2019 9:30 pm : link
For 3 coaches of the giants now ...... if you watched every time they run this play itís a loser and I agree on not using Barkley correctly...
Shurmur commented on his presser that it (I'm paraphrasing)  
PatersonPlank : 9/8/2019 9:30 pm : link
was more an issue of the lack of total plays because the defense couldn't get off the field. He felt that Barkley was used correctly, and would have had more carries if the offense had more plays
RE: People are harping on this but ye was using him to set up urmer  
GiantEgo : 9/8/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14566614 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Big plays outside Saquon. The rest of the guys didn't execute our QB included.


Yeah that's it Saquon as decoy and possession receiver. It's all part of the plan!
I get that you don't want to give him 30 carries week one  
nygfaninorlando : 9/8/2019 9:32 pm : link
so how about 20-25? There are only 16 games in the season, this isn't baseball. Watching other games today and see Dalvin Cook, Le'Veon Bell, McAffrey, Fournette and Chris Carson to name a few all have more carries than Barkley is frustrating and not a winning formula for the Giants.
RE: In that 1st break away, Barkley did not look like himself  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14566619 George from PA said:
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Which gave me the idea that he was nursing something....


Without a true WR he is going up against a loaded box because we have no WR that strikes fear in the other team. This was going to happen.
Baloney, he outran  
Dave on the UWS : 9/8/2019 9:40 pm : link
the entire Dallas team except for the deep safety who had the angle on him. Shurmur screwed the pooch today. He needs the ball in his hands 20+ times every game- no excuses. What Iím sick of is Shurmur making them.
Eli  
dslayton86 : 9/8/2019 9:40 pm : link
Penny 3rd and 2 FB dive was egregious, egregious. Also agree with the terrible roll out calls. The 3rd and 1 early on Dallas ~40 yard line where you knew you were going for it on 4th and 1 (sans penalty), has to be a Saquon run (and then again on 4th down or then play action).
I too was surprised that Barkley got caught on the breakaway  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 9:52 pm : link
run. But he looked perfectly fine otherwise
He had 6 yards a run. I think he was healthy.
What the heck was the game plan anyway?  
trueblueinpw : 9/8/2019 9:52 pm : link
Can anyone even explain Schumerís offensive concepts? Was he trying to get the ball out early, throw up the middle, establish the run and then play action?

Hate to state the obvious, but there is a reason Schumer has a loosing record as an NFL HC. Another statement of the obvious, Schumer wonít be a good head coach until he starts to win some games.
I wanted to see him more  
section125 : 9/8/2019 9:57 pm : link
especially in the red zone. But he doesn't want him to get beaten up in the 1st game...15 more to go.
I don't mind him being a decoy every now and then, but it was too many times today.
29 Touches  
Barkley26 : 9/8/2019 10:05 pm : link
McCaffrey had 29 touches today. There's no reason Saquon shouldn't be getting between 25-30 touches per game. He's our best player and you're supposed to lean on him if your the offense.
his logic is astounding  
GiantsFan84 : 9/8/2019 10:18 pm : link
the lack of touches were due to a lack of plays

well asshole the lack of plays were due to a lack of touches!!!
Only shurmur  
justafan : 9/8/2019 10:20 pm : link
And maybe Barkley can answer that
He had 120 yards  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/8/2019 10:42 pm : link
Of offense today. That a pretty good day.
Vander Esch and Smith are both very good against the run  
AdamBrag : 9/8/2019 11:27 pm : link
I think Shurmur was looking to mix things up early to be able to run easier later on, keeping the LBs on their toes. However, the game got out of control quickly and then trying to run it a lot would have been counterproductive.

He may have gotten too cute a few times, but the Giants have a very mediocre offensive line and Dallas has a very good defensive line.

I don't think the playcalling was that bad, it's the players we have on the field that's the issue.
RE: Vander Esch and Smith are both very good against the run  
BestFeature : 9/8/2019 11:29 pm : link
In comment 14567009 AdamBrag said:
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I think Shurmur was looking to mix things up early to be able to run easier later on, keeping the LBs on their toes. However, the game got out of control quickly and then trying to run it a lot would have been counterproductive.

He may have gotten too cute a few times, but the Giants have a very mediocre offensive line and Dallas has a very good defensive line.

I don't think the playcalling was that bad, it's the players we have on the field that's the issue.


Last year I believe he had 11 carries for 27 yards. Hard to fault Shurmur for the usage there. But Barkley was doing something great on almost every carry. No excuse tonight.
RE: his logic is astounding  
Giantfan in skinland : 9/8/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14566832 GiantsFan84 said:
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the lack of touches were due to a lack of plays

well asshole the lack of plays were due to a lack of touches!!!


Have to admit. I chuckled to myself thinking the same thing when I first heard the answer.
Some of these arguments are tiresome  
AcesUp : 9/8/2019 11:39 pm : link
RB usage is highly dependent on game flow. If you're not converting 3rd downs, your defense can't get off the field and you get behind early...your RB is not going to be able to run the ball a lot.

Shurmur still has some things to work on with Barkley though. Short yardage situations should be Barkley runs WAY more than what is being called. Regardless of the down. They should also be involving him more on high efficient passes in early downs and in the downfield passing game when behind. That is where they are misuing Barkley...not his rushing attempts.
RE: He had 120 yards  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 1:00 am : link
In comment 14566914 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Of offense today. That a pretty good day.


59 of which were on one play.

Give him the ball.
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