The performance today was awful. No pass rush and the secondary was burned all day long. Here are my suggestions.
1. Let Connelly play. He has more upside than Davis
2. Not sure this Tomlinson at NT is really working out. Play Lawrence at NT in base. Move him when you go to nickel.
3. Why is Martin on this team exactly? Don’t recall even seeing him out there. Bring up a member from the practice squad
4. Not sure where the pass rush is going to come from but maybe let Carter put his hand in the dirt a bit more.
5. Peppers might be the best blitzer. Maybe employ more three safety looks and let Peppers loose.
This is not going to be pretty this year.
With the money that came back from those moves, they should have picked up a pass rusher. They should probably have picked up another safety as well. They underrated the impact of Collins and overrated the ability of Peppers, who aside from that one year in Gregg Williams' defense didn't look so great.
Now you're basically stuck - unless there's a pass rusher you can go out and sign, you're asking a pedestrian LB core and a bunch of very raw CBs to hold up with no pass rush to help them out. Not a good situation.
Keep Hamilton off the field. Baker and Balentine and eventually Beal are the future.....
3 safety probably makes sense....do we hace 3 safeties?
Lawrence can not stay on the field if he is manning NT...for all 3 downs.
Did Xmen play?
Agree.
Take Josh Allen at #6 and Daniel Jones at #17
With the money that came back from those moves, they should have picked up a pass rusher. They should probably have picked up another safety as well. They underrated the impact of Collins and overrated the ability of Peppers, who aside from that one year in Gregg Williams' defense didn't look so great.
Now you're basically stuck - unless there's a pass rusher you can go out and sign, you're asking a pedestrian LB core and a bunch of very raw CBs to hold up with no pass rush to help them out. Not a good situation.
Next year is when theyll see the cap impact of those moves. Still a ton of dead money tied up. They didnt have a ton of money this year, and tbh there wasnt exactly a great crop of FAs. I dont mind that they werent going to be big players in FA this year.
I agree that we should play Connelly more. I would also play Baker, Ballentine, and Love as much as possible. They have talent, but are rookies going against veterans. There will be mistakes and miscommunications, including blown coverages.
I'd let the young guys play, evaluate what we have and see if they can improve.
I agree that we should play Connelly more. I would also play Baker, Ballentine, and Love as much as possible. They have talent, but are rookies going against veterans. There will be mistakes and miscommunications, including blown coverages.
I don't agree - yes, Dallas' OL is one of the best in the league - but they managed *nothing*. Blitz, no blitz, no pressure and holes all over.
Looking at the team on paper before the season started everyone knew this would be a huge weakness for the D. The assumption was the rebuilt secondary would offset that to some extent. It's early yet, but that doesn't look like that's going to be the case.
It's all about chase young now
Maybe they can land Chase Young or Grant Delpit.
Can you blame us? The owner came GM forget that too.
Not enough talent and the line could not get pressure today at all. Without pressure they will have opposing quarterbacks with 153.8 ratings like today
Anyone else remember how our defense started that season when we upset 18-0?
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A true pass rusher would make a huge difference.
Agree.
Take Josh Allen at #6 and Daniel Jones at #17
Christ again? Jones would not have been there at 17. What don't you get about that? Denver, Miami and Washington all had him targeted.
Anyone else remember how our defense started that season when we upset 18-0?
I also remember that team having Justin Tuck, Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora on it. Playing in an entirely new defense.
Comparing that to this is asinine. The talent is absolutely awful on defense. If not the worst talent in the league pretty damn close to it.
Guys like Peppers and Ogletree are considered top talent for the back 7. And in reality neither one is any good. If Peppers was judged based on his actual play since entering the NFL and not from what people expected out of him coming into and out of college no one would ever praise him. He had one fluke good year and hasn't been good besides that.
Hopefully a 2nd or 3rd pass rush type emerges during the season because I don't see a stud rusher on the roster.
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A true pass rusher would make a huge difference.
Agree.
Take Josh Allen at #6 and Daniel Jones at #17
Christ again? Jones would not have been there at 17. What don't you get about that? Denver, Miami and Washington all had him targeted.
i was just kidding. Settle down section...
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isn't the old adage you need 4 games for every new starter on a defense before they get familiar with each other.
Anyone else remember how our defense started that season when we upset 18-0?
I also remember that team having Justin Tuck, Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora on it. Playing in an entirely new defense.
Comparing that to this is asinine. The talent is absolutely awful on defense. If not the worst talent in the league pretty damn close to it.
Guys like Peppers and Ogletree are considered top talent for the back 7. And in reality neither one is any good. If Peppers was judged based on his actual play since entering the NFL and not from what people expected out of him coming into and out of college no one would ever praise him. He had one fluke good year and hasn't been good besides that.
Peppers has played a total of two seasons. One in which he was a rookie and one Inc which he was good. How that is “one fluke year” is beyond me. If he was a 5 year pro you may have a point but you don’t.
I think they have the personnel but they don't have the talent, if that makes sense. There are guys that can do what he wants them to do but there aren't really any studs, at any level, capable of disrupting offenses. It's all gravy for the offenses without the drive killing plays that Bettcher relies on.
blowing coverage assignments
not setting edges
over pursuing
all this talk of bethea as a 2nd coach on the field.
you have to give it a few more games, but this was shite at both the talent and coaching level
3. inside linebackers
4. #1 WR
5. OT depth
just going have to be patient for the draft and salary cap because the three year rebuild isn't finished and of-course it's an ongoing process for all teams.
Play Tomlinson and Lawrence at DT to clog run lanes. Play BJ Hill and Carter/Golden at DE to get after QB. Start an extra DB to get Peppers closer to the line or match up with TE and RB. LBs can’t be expected to stop run and play man coverage on every play so let them either play zone in the middle or blitz the QB. Give CBs more opportunities to get up and press the WRs.
The real question is how much more rope does Betcher get before he gets shown the door. I don’t recall the Cards ever having shut down D but we seem to have lot of faith in guy who brought in bunch of retreads (Bethea, Martin, Golden) who are seriously underwhelming and over paid.
I saw the Giants trying to play a lot of Tampa-2... But it doesn't work very well when the Mike keeps biting on the play fake, and doesn't get back to cover the deep middle.
Much more disturbed by the poor scoring. Shurmur's an offensive-first coach, Eli's a vet, Barkley's a beast... I figured they'd lose something like 35-28 or 35-31. That showing was weak.
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Is to play a 3-4 with a C-2 shell to protect your young players in the secondary and keep this man coverage and blitzing to a minimum when you face a team with an OL like this. You're exposing them to getting torched like we did today. Very very poor game plan, and worse execution. Play it safe until these guys are up to speed or you risk ruining a draft class of DBs who have no confidence because you hung them out to dry.
I saw the Giants trying to play a lot of Tampa-2... But it doesn't work very well when the Mike keeps biting on the play fake, and doesn't get back to cover the deep middle.
Communication has to improve. You can't have guys running around the field all day scoring TD's with no defender in the play...da fuck?
Not much can be done about the pass rush. That is talent driven and we don't have enough of it.
Much more disturbed by the poor scoring. Shurmur's an offensive-first coach, Eli's a vet, Barkley's a beast... I figured they'd lose something like 35-28 or 35-31. That showing was weak.
You're the only one. The Dallas D could be top 5 this year. And the Giants moved the ball pretty well actually. Deciding against long FG's and our receiver getting tackled in the endzone took points off the board.
They ALL feel like they can't trust the guy next to them right now and are going to until there are successes to build on.
They got Dallas off the field on the first drive and then completely forgot how to play.
How to fix? You can't - it's going to be a long, long season.
Teams have looked awful 1 week and then things clicked and look better in following weeks before, but at this point it's very hard to have any optimism based on Bettcher's 17 game resume at this point.
That is one way. The alternative is to do what Betcher did yesterday, baptism by fire and let the mistakes roll in and hope the guys learn fast.