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NFT: Red Sox fire Dombrowski

Nine-Tails : 9/9/2019 1:51 am
Wow. Shocker. Can’t believe the Sox fire him just a year after winning it all. Sure their farm has become barren and they’re above the tax limiting their spending, but they’ve been very successful with him. Not complaining though
Not  
mdthedream : 9/9/2019 6:21 am : link
having a bull pen was a dumb idea and cost them a chance to repeat.
That is a shocker  
5BowlsSoon : 9/9/2019 6:24 am : link
Winning the World Series meant very little in regards to respect and appreciation.
RE: Not  
section125 : 9/9/2019 7:21 am : link
In comment 14567162 mdthedream said:
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having a bull pen was a dumb idea and cost them a chance to repeat.


The bullpen did well. The starting pitching killed them. Not having a bona fide closer is one thing, but the pen did well according to the network pundits. Sale has been garbage since last August. Porcello is back to what he was. Price has crashed since he was a Ray.
Also, let's face it, like 2013, they had everything conceivable go their way all year last year.
Eovaldi's contract was bad from the moment it was signed...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 9:08 am : link
not getting a big-money reliever in light of the luxury tax I get. What was really problematic was being unable to add any of the low-price bullpen upgrades at the deadline (40 odd relievers were traded). That suggests that they were either remarkably close to the threshold or DD failed miserably in that task. But going forward they've got an uneven roster construction, a dynamic but somewhat top-heavy offense and a pitching staff that is likely to struggle to stay healthy with a shitty farm system to fill in the gaps.

DD sold out big time for a WS. This time around, he won one.
It must be nice to be this arrogant as a franchise/city  
giantsFC : 9/9/2019 9:09 am : link
Meanwhile over in Mets world, they hold onto clueless managers 2 years too long and hire GM’s who are more Dumbrowski than Dom.
I hope they can't re-sign  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 9:23 am : link
Mookie Betts.

Obviously a pipe dream but he should be a Met.

2021 they have to pay Betts, JBJ, and 2020 JD Martinez and Porcello (if they keep them).

don't know why they were surprised  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 9:28 am : link
This is who Dombrowski is. He's not a guy you hire for a long term plan. He's the guy who goes all out to win right now, and that's exactly what they did. Now they have a bit of a WS hangover and they immediately fire the guy? Seems kind of silly to me.
RE: don't know why they were surprised  
Matt in SGS : 9/9/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14567549 Greg from LI said:
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This is who Dombrowski is. He's not a guy you hire for a long term plan. He's the guy who goes all out to win right now, and that's exactly what they did. Now they have a bit of a WS hangover and they immediately fire the guy? Seems kind of silly to me.


Exactly, everyone knows who Dombroski is. He guts farm systems and writes big checks, makes big trades with the promise to win a championship. To cross over a quote from Denny Green "he is who we thought he was". Boston had a magical year last year where it all came together. That wasn't happening again.

I think the combination of the Yankees slapping them around all season, and the gap in organizational talent between the two teams and all the young talent/depth the Yankees showed this year and the Red Sox need to find a way to reload. The Yankees are poised to go on a long run again, and you have a good young team in Toronto too. The Red Sox are not set up for the future so they will fire him for doing exactly what everyone knew he was going to do.
The only really pathetic thing about this firing for me...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 9:40 am : link
is that it happened in early September.
Makes Sense Actually  
Percy : 9/9/2019 10:33 am : link
It's the pitchers. And they're stuck with big deals for their best. It was the way he set it up and it turned out to be a losing strategy. Now the job is to work out of it. Could he be trusted to do that? Probably not. TIme to put up the "Big Job Available" sign -- and that's what they've done, well before those who might be interested find out how they fare in October.
Meh  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 10:49 am : link
Boston is a premiere job anyway, they're going to get their pick of even folks with solid contracts right now. This just looks like petty scapegoating from an organization that has a history of this sort of petty bullshit.
I don't think this is petty by the Red Sox  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:18 am : link
or necessarily unwanted by Dombrowski.

He did what he does, he maximized assets for a "win-now" team or to make a team a "win-now" team.

And he won a WS for his efforts.

In FL he did this and won a WS.
In DET he did it and went to 3 straight ALC's
in BOS he did it and won a WS.

now he moves on and the Red Sox bring in someone more suited to a long-term approach reload.

Where the Red Sox are today is not a team that says "Dombrowski is a good fit here".

and for the record, the Red Sox are on pace for a 90-win season or close to it.

Them moving on is all well and good...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 11:34 am : link
he's probably not the guy to handle a retool/rebuild anyway. Them doing it in the middle of the season and starting to leak out the negatives to justify it (Gammo on MLBN about the office culture/climate this morning) is petty. This is a team with a long and storied history of shitting on their own after they leave or are forced out (see also: Francona, Terry)
RE: Them moving on is all well and good...  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14567979 Dunedin81 said:
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he's probably not the guy to handle a retool/rebuild anyway. Them doing it in the middle of the season and starting to leak out the negatives to justify it (Gammo on MLBN about the office culture/climate this morning) is petty. This is a team with a long and storied history of shitting on their own after they leave or are forced out (see also: Francona, Terry)


I guess. I hate the Red Sox as much as anyone, but maybe you could say this gives Dombrowski a better opportunity to catch on elsewhere once the firings begin.

this was rumored to be going to happen all year since the Red Sox didn't even discuss an extension.
The timing surprises me.  
Ron from Ninerland : 9/9/2019 11:56 am : link
Letting Dombrowski go at the end of the season would have made sense. Doing it a few hours after getting spanked by the Yankees seems dysfunctional.
RE: Them moving on is all well and good...  
Bill L : 9/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14567979 Dunedin81 said:
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he's probably not the guy to handle a retool/rebuild anyway. Them doing it in the middle of the season and starting to leak out the negatives to justify it (Gammo on MLBN about the office culture/climate this morning) is petty. This is a team with a long and storied history of shitting on their own after they leave or are forced out (see also: Francona, Terry)


Apparently there have been reports for quite a while that there was tension in the front office with Dombrowski and a few confidants (Mike Wren, Tony LaRussa) being increasingly uncommunicative and secluded from the rest of the admin. There may also be some power stuff going on within the ownership group which is feeding into this. I read that some of what's mixed into this are varying views in ability and/or willingness to sign Mookie before he hits FA (as he almost certainly will opt to do).
Whoever designed the Red Sox approach to Spring Training  
since1925 : 9/9/2019 1:24 pm : link
Should be fired.
I think if you want to make a change...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 2:50 pm : link
you do it after the season.
RE: I think if you want to make a change...  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14568480 Dunedin81 said:
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you do it after the season.


what difference does it really make? he gets paid either way and if you know and he knows you're parting ways, why the charade?

Seems like the timing is what you think was the worst part of it, but I actually respect the timing.
It looks like they're making him the scapegoat...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 3:04 pm : link
which they have a long and storied tradition of doing, even down to the leaks through Gammo about what dysfunction was attributable to said scapegoat (chicken and beer, Manny being Manny).
RE: It looks like they're making him the scapegoat...  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14568514 Dunedin81 said:
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which they have a long and storied tradition of doing, even down to the leaks through Gammo about what dysfunction was attributable to said scapegoat (chicken and beer, Manny being Manny).


I view it less as blaming him for where they are now vs now wanting him to lead them going forward.

He was there for 4 years and they won 3 AL East division titles and a WS. I don't think he has to worry about being blamed for anything.

just my 2c.
Understood and I don't disagree...  
Dunedin81 : 9/9/2019 3:19 pm : link
but to me a firing during the season says something, and when that season follows a World Series I just think decorum if nothing else tells you to wait.
Per Boston Globe  
Nine-Tails : 9/9/2019 4:42 pm : link
Red Sox are expected to either move on from JD or trade Mookie. God, I hope they're stupid enough to trade Mookie.
RE: Per Boston Globe  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14568809 Nine-Tails said:
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Red Sox are expected to either move on from JD or trade Mookie. God, I hope they're stupid enough to trade Mookie.


They've been talking for a while about trading Mookie, but if those are my choices ($25M or so for JD or extending Mookie) it's a no-brainer.

No idea how this is a discussion
TRA-ADE MOO-KIE  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 4:47 pm : link
*clap clap clapclapclap*
That would be fantastic  
Mad Mike : 9/9/2019 4:50 pm : link
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