His vaunted deception and ability to confuse QB's and create pressure have been non existent. There have been about 40 blown coverages, at least 3 a game where our guys just don't even run with the receivers. It's fucking mind boggling. He better get this group competitive or he should be shown the door at the end of the season.
As a Giant fan I have pride in our defense. We've seen way too much suck on that side of the ball for way too long.
The D wasn’t that far removed from a good year.
...when the Giants dump Shurmur. And that could happen if the Giants regress from last season.
Issue is anyone think Mara and Tisch have any fucking clue how to hire a coach to replace this current crew?
The D wasn’t that far removed from a good year.
This. Made no sense at the time. Good 3-4 D’s have good speedy LB’s who can cover, rush the passer, and hold up in the run game. We have nothing there.
- but it’s ok -we aren’t overpaying anyone 🙈 - except 10 - we have no business being in a 3/4 - we will need a new DC next year
PS is going nowhere till 2020 at the earliest - still hoping 6-10 or 7-9 - but yesterday was a disaster in multiple ways - LBS - safeties were statues - Hamilton are u kidding me?
I can't watch guys running uncovered right down the middle anymore. It's sickening.
This! I'm not pleased w/our defense either but when you look on the field & the only vets are JackRabbit,Bethea & Ogletree & everyone else is a rookie or 2nd year player,there has to be a large learning curve. Baker started at CB & didn't play most of the preseason. These kids,who were among the best at their positions in college,haven't adjusted to the speed of the NFL yet nor,as was obvious yesterday,understand their assignments within the defense. Now,if we look the same defensively in November/December,I'll be among the masses calling for Bettcher's dismissal but,in fairness,it'll take time for these kids to become a strong defense. After the last 2 years,patience is a hard commodity to continue to have but it is a necessity!
Right now we have very young defense. Many vets just got here. We have many 1st and 2nd year players: Carter, Hill, Baker, Lawrence, Davis.
Golden is still working his way back. Ogletree was injured during preseason and didn’t play much.,Bethea is ancient. Peppers is new to the defense. Tomlinson is stout but doesn’t make plays.
This defense needs time and more importantly, a couple of real play makers.
Another Arians over hyped coach/player.
Just stop. We aren't facing the 1990 Bills next week. They literally did zip zero nada for over 3 quarters yesterday vs. a mediocre Jets D. Everybody here loves to kill Dak but the guy was superb yesterday and it wasn't just that guys were wide open , he was placing the ball right in their hands in stride. Josh Allen is a very erratic thrower and mistake prone. Sure we could lose, we can struggle vs. anyone right now but I seriously doubt it will be worse than yesterday. Buffalo is not putting up 500 yds.
Big thing right now is inexperience and lack of playmakers at LB. No natural pass rusher who makes the offense pay.
Not worried about the DL or DBs, there's enough talent there to build around. They've got to get a young FS and put Ballantine in for Hamilton. Take their lumps now.
I agree, there shouldn't be a lack of talent on defense at all. The starting 11 has 6 premium draft picks (3 firsts, 1 second, 2 thirds from the '17-'19 drafts) and 2 big money veterans who should still be in their primes age-wise Either all of those other guys decided to suck at the same time or something is wrong with the scheme, coaching, and/or preparation.
Its communication and understanding the defense. That will improve. I don't put that on Betchers scheme, these guys are both new and young.
I haven't ready the article, but if it was a copy and paste, Jordan just continues to suck at his job.
I mean, you have one job and that is covering the NY Giants for ESPN. Don't you think he would know that next week is actually the Giants home opener?
I have no confidence at all they will make the right decision in anything they do anymore. Sure they might fire Shurmur or his staff but I see no reason to think they'd have any idea how to hire the correct replacements.
You win the interwebs today.
Not just a bad team but a bad reporter covering it.
Coaches have egos and stubbornness, it's not a new thing. Plenty of coaches failed in the 80s, 90s, 00s because they had one 'system' and wouldn't compromise it.
I see everyone questioning Bettcher, which is certainly appropriate, but no one has really questioned anything about our new secondary coach. Withers hasnt coached in the NFL since 2006, and has had various college coaching assignments (and firings) since then. Hard to believe we couldnt find someone who has at least worked in the NFL in the past 10 years.
I remember in particular feeling good about their effort against NO and the way they were able to keep them out of the endzone for much of the game. We got screwed when Tomlinson got tackled in the endzone and the refs missed it (should have been a safety + possession obviously giving Eli a chance to win the game).
Then I remember as the offense improved over the course of the year suddenly the D became just absolutely awful (particularly the secondary) and it's just been all downhill from there. What the hell happened?
Honestly though I can't remember the last time the Giants having a decent secondary, aside from the playoffs of those 2 super bowl runs and maybe the '08 season.
They will say it will take time to redo the defense because the new coordinator will need to have "his guys," and then proceed to use that as a new excuse for lack of performance because they are "adjusting" to the new system.
The betting odds favor that Bettcher will be fired before Shurmur unless we believe they all will be cleaned out at once.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Honestly though I can't remember the last time the Giants having a decent secondary, aside from the playoffs of those 2 super bowl runs and maybe the '08 season. [/quote]
2016 wasn't that long ago
Honestly though I can't remember the last time the Giants having a decent secondary, aside from the playoffs of those 2 super bowl runs and maybe the '08 season.
2016 wasn't that long ago [/quote]
You're right. Honestly in that moment I completely blanked that we had a top defense for 1 year a few years ago. Seems like ages ago.
There is also the fact that Kellen Moore is a brand new coordinator and did a fantastic job scheming and playcalling, but there is no tape out there on him yet. They threw a ton of window dressing out there week 1.
- Hill (3rd)
- Tomlinson (2nd, Reese)
- Lawrence (1st)
- Carter (3rd)
- Ogletree (Trade, former 1st)
- Davis (UDFA)
- Ximines (3rd)
- Jenkins (UFA,Reese)
- Baker (1st)
- Bethea (UFA)
- Peppers (Trade, former 1st)
Davis and Bethea are the only low value acquisitions of the defense. Claiming it's a shit roster maybe is an indictment on who assembled it?
Good coaches do what you said in the beginning part of your post and bad ones do the square peg round hole thing. Unfortunately it seems we have square peg round hole guys on both sides of the ball.
Perfect example on D is how they are using Baker. The kid was an up in your face at the line, tight man cover guy at Georgia and played that way very well. Well enough to be a 1st rd pick yet we play him well off the line in soft coverage and a lot of zone.
Why not play to his strengths while he gets settled in the pro game and then feed him other things? Why put him positions that aren't his best? Makes absolutely no sense to me.