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Logic dictates if the team has no playoff aspirations

Poktown Pete : 9/9/2019 7:22 am
then Jones needs to play. Is there merit in waiting until the team is eliminated from the playoff's? I'm having a hard time seeing the benefit. The reward of starting Jones now is getting him maximum experience this season. The Cardinals are starting their rookie already and he held his own. What exactly are the Giants afraid of?
And I should have added  
Poktown Pete : 9/9/2019 7:24 am : link
whatever the fear is, is it reasonable?
So we had a terrible first game,  
MBavaro : 9/9/2019 7:29 am : link
and you feel with have "no playoff aspirations"?

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Not just about his experience  
UberAlias : 9/9/2019 7:36 am : link
Are DG and Shurmur the right guys? They need to prove the arrow is pointing squarely up, and that means they nailed it with Jones and Shurmur is the right guy to develop him.
RE: So we had a terrible first game,  
JesseS : 9/9/2019 7:37 am : link
In comment 14567232 MBavaro said:
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You came into this season reasonably thinking this is a team with playoff aspirations? The first game didn't change my mind one way or another. This is a rebuilding year.
RE: So we had a terrible first game,  
Poktown Pete : 9/9/2019 7:38 am : link
In comment 14567232 MBavaro said:
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If it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, itís probably a turd.
Not sure who thought we had playoff aspirations...  
EricJ : 9/9/2019 7:41 am : link
before yesterday's game. I think any reasonable person was talking about 6-7 wins... maybe 8 at the most. I still think that is achievable.
RE: So we had a terrible first game,  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/9/2019 7:41 am : link
In comment 14567232 MBavaro said:
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Terrible game or not. This team isn't there yet.
I can understand  
section125 : 9/9/2019 7:44 am : link
the concerns on Shurmur - the lack of using Barkley more and maybe trying to be to cute on a few plays.

I don't understand the Gettleman angst. He has definitely improved the roster, gotten rid of troublemakers. He has had a few gaffs in FAs, but so do all GMs. But his drafting looks very good. Is he a bit pompous? So what.
He's fumbled EVERY TIME he's been hit.  
Karl Hungus : 9/9/2019 7:45 am : link
So, there's that.
Agree that Jones should play if the season's lost.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/9/2019 7:48 am : link
But it's just one bad game. Lots of teams had bad games this week. Some of them will make the playoffs. The Giants still have "playoff aspirations," even if they're probably pipe dreams
RE: So we had a terrible first game,  
RDJR : 9/9/2019 7:49 am : link
In comment 14567232 MBavaro said:
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Did you watch the game?
There is no point in playing Eli  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 7:50 am : link
Need to see if Jones can play ASAP. If he canít, they need to fire everyone in the building and start over. Theyíre arrogant and embarassing. Shurmur has shown absolutely nothing and Gettleman is good at cutting players, but not much else. The amount of resources wasted by this regime is mind boggling.

Dallas defense....at AT&T Stadium  
JohnB : 9/9/2019 7:55 am : link
I, for one, and VERY glad that they didn't start Jones down there. And it'd be nice if they keep easing him into the starting role.
RE: I can understand  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 7:55 am : link
In comment 14567268 section125 said:
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the concerns on Shurmur - the lack of using Barkley more and maybe trying to be to cute on a few plays.

I don't understand the Gettleman angst. He has definitely improved the roster, gotten rid of troublemakers. He has had a few gaffs in FAs, but so do all GMs. But his drafting looks very good. Is he a bit pompous? So what.


How has he definitely improved the roster? At least we used to have a pass rush. Heís improved the O-line and drafted Saquon. Thatís about it. The secondary is actually worse than itís ever been. The linebackers remain non existent. And the D-Line is big but not effective. The WRs are a train wreck and the QB situation remains a fucking mess. He has wasted assets and tells everyone he knows better than them. Heís been a disaster.

We need young blood in the front office. The Mara family picnic must end.
Can we wait till after 4 games  
5BowlsSoon : 9/9/2019 7:57 am : link
Then start having conversations like these. It was only one game against arguably the best team in the nfc. Sheesh, what is wrong with you ladies?
RE: Can we wait till after 4 games  
micky : 9/9/2019 8:00 am : link
In comment 14567290 5BowlsSoon said:
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Then start having conversations like these. It was only one game against arguably the best team in the nfc. Sheesh, what is wrong with you ladies?


I would argue about being the 'best' team in NFC..
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gidiefor : Mod : 9/9/2019 8:04 am : link
In comment 14567294 micky said:
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I would argue about being the 'best' team in NFC..


Yes -- I would argue this too. The Cowboys took advantage of the Giants weaknesses -- a young and unproven backfield -- and this made them look "all world." Let's ho they look against an a decent backfield before we crown them.
RE: He's fumbled EVERY TIME he's been hit.  
Dutch77 : 9/9/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14567271 Karl Hungus said:
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So, there's that.

So does the untouchable Manning. Your point?
by the way -- the Giants offense did not  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/9/2019 8:07 am : link
look great yesterday, and for those of you ready to give Eli a pass on it, I'm not sure he doesn't have to shoulder some blame yesterday. Most of the first drive was a 60 yard play by Barkley, I didn't really see him do all that much. He did not look all that sharp to me.
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5BowlsSoon : 9/9/2019 8:08 am : link
In comment 14567294 micky said:
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In comment 14567290 5BowlsSoon said:


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Then start having conversations like these. It was only one game against arguably the best team in the nfc. Sheesh, what is wrong with you ladies?



I would argue about being the 'best' team in NFC..


Yeah, Rams are good....anyone else?
RE: Dallas defense....at AT&T Stadium  
Dutch77 : 9/9/2019 8:09 am : link
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I, for one, and VERY glad that they didn't start Jones down there. And it'd be nice if they keep easing him into the starting role.

Why? Did Manning not have time to pass the football yesterday, was he under extreme pressure?
The OP raises...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 8:09 am : link
the absolute right question. Iíve said the same exact thing. Which is why Jones should play because the odds clearly indicate we arenít going anywhere playoff wise.

Yet, nearly everyone wants to go through the exercise of playing it out until we are ďmathematically eliminatedĒ just to say we checked that box to give Eli a chance. And that apparently will make everyone feel good that we tried. Great. Which ends up wasting valuable time for Jonesís development.
RE: He's fumbled EVERY TIME he's been hit.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2019 8:11 am : link
In comment 14567271 Karl Hungus said:
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So, there's that.


this was funny...
RE: by the way -- the Giants offense did not  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 8:13 am : link
In comment 14567313 gidiefor said:
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look great yesterday, and for those of you ready to give Eli a pass on it, I'm not sure he doesn't have to shoulder some blame yesterday. Most of the first drive was a 60 yard play by Barkley, I didn't really see him do all that much. He did not look all that sharp to me.


Itís not even worth having the argument. He can still make throws, he canít make plays. The point here is really what is the fucking point of playing him? His hopeful replacement is on the roster and needs to play. This team stinks in the front office isnít fooling anybody.
It is just one game  
ron mexico : 9/9/2019 8:14 am : link
But this is our team this year. We will win a few games here and there but this is not a competitive squad.

It has been evident for a while
RE: Can we wait till after 4 games  
Dutch77 : 9/9/2019 8:14 am : link
In comment 14567290 5BowlsSoon said:
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Then start having conversations like these. It was only one game against arguably the best team in the nfc. Sheesh, what is wrong with you ladies?
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Why are we waiting? When was the last time Manning gave this team 3 or 4 TDís per game? The Defense is just BAD, but Manning does absolutely nothing on the offensive end that Daniel Jones canít do tight now. The Rookie needs experience.
RE: He's fumbled EVERY TIME he's been hit.  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 8:15 am : link
In comment 14567271 Karl Hungus said:
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So, there's that.


Ok well if he does, then Gettleman, Shurmur, Mara (Chris) and the rest of the FO need to be fired and they should get new blood in there.
Why wait any longer?  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 8:16 am : link
I donít get this narrative. This team is not competitive and has not been competitive for years! Iím done pretending. This team sucks. Acknowledge it and get on with the rebuild.
Logic dictates? I'll give you logic dictates...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 8:32 am : link
RE: Logic dictates? I'll give you logic dictates...  
GeofromNJ : 9/9/2019 8:42 am : link
In comment 14567375 Eric from BBI said:
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Eric, are you saying that you want Daniel to start? Not sure I follow the Star Trek reference.
GeofromNJ  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 8:45 am : link
I'm merely saying this thread needs Spock.
And Eli equals Spock  
Poktown Pete : 9/9/2019 9:08 am : link
Logically.
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