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jsuds : 9/9/2019 7:57 am
11 rushes
4 receptions
68 total offensive plays. (They all didn't offend me)

That is 22% of the offense involving SB.
I think it should be double that at least.

Why would he not be more a part of the game plan?
Is the coach seeking a new gig elsewhere?
Are they saving him for some unknown reason?

They're saving him  
Hammer : 9/9/2019 8:03 am : link
for when the games matter.

This season is going nowhere. Fast.
We needed to make sure  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/9/2019 8:06 am : link
We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs
Slightly different perspective...  
M.S. : 9/9/2019 8:06 am : link

...Saquon ran the ball 11 times and was targeted 6 times with passes for a total of 17 plays.

Giants ran a total of 66 plays, thus 25.8% were with Saquon (17 / 66).

All of last season: 382 / 937 = 40.8%.
RE: We needed to make sure  
M.S. : 9/9/2019 8:07 am : link
In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:
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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.
Decoy  
Giantimistic : 9/9/2019 8:11 am : link
I would like to see an even deeper look at how many plays was he used as a decoy and what the play result was. It seems like they thought that using him for misdirection would be almost as effective as giving him the ball. Failed with Penny and some Eli rollouts.

Penny = Mike Alstott  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 8:11 am : link
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We went through this with Shurmur last season  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 8:12 am : link
Heís a dumbass. He needs to give up play calling
RE: RE: We needed to make sure  
BestFeature : 9/9/2019 8:12 am : link
In comment 14567314 M.S. said:
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In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:


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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.


It's funny I realize that wasn't the case but that I'm not going to lie that thought has crossed my mind.
RE: RE: We needed to make sure  
rocco8112 : 9/9/2019 8:17 am : link
In comment 14567314 M.S. said:
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In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:


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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.


If this is true, Shurmur operates like a lunatic. He is a loser by record as an HC so far and he is paid A LOT to go out and put these guys in a position to excel and win. If he is planning this then he is insane. We know he can't lead a team to a 500 or better record, we don't know if he is off his rocker.

Also, Eli hit Engram off a play action boot to the left for the first TD. Dallas bit coming off the big run by Barkley. As far as Jones, sure he is a threat to be mobile, but in garbage time he scampered on third down past the sticks, but was love tapped and coughed it up.

This team sucks with either QB, at least Jones theoretically is the future so get him some burn now. Likely he gets knicked up and Eli trots back off the bench anyway.
Really strange to me  
ryanmkeane : 9/9/2019 8:18 am : link
that people are harping on the Barkley thing. We weren't winning this game regardless.
RE: They're saving him  
GoDeep13 : 9/9/2019 8:21 am : link
In comment 14567301 Hammer said:
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for when the games matter.

This season is going nowhere. Fast.


Which only reinforces the ďStart JonesĒ hype. If you arenít even gonna use your best player to take pressure off a 38 year old QB that isnít part of the future, WHY ARE YOU STARTING THE 38 YEAR OLD QB!?
RE: RE: RE: We needed to make sure  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/9/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14567329 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14567314 M.S. said:


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In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:


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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.



It's funny I realize that wasn't the case but that I'm not going to lie that thought has crossed my mind.


The alternative is he thinks it will actually work. Not sure which is worse.

The defense was so bad it might not have mattered, but... convert a fg before half to get it to 21-10, and score a td after halftime instead of the fg and it's 21-17 - who knows, maybe we still lose by 3 tds but, maybe Dallas doesn't pull their starters halfway through he 3rd qtr.
RE: Decoy  
GeofromNJ : 9/9/2019 8:39 am : link
In comment 14567322 Giantimistic said:
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I would like to see an even deeper look at how many plays was he used as a decoy and what the play result was. It seems like they thought that using him for misdirection would be almost as effective as giving him the ball. Failed with Penny and some Eli rollouts.

Misdirection by an elite running back never seems to work. The Bills tried that with OJ the first year (using him as a decoy) and finally realized that they needed to give him the ball and let him run.
RE: RE: We needed to make sure  
BillT : 9/9/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14567314 M.S. said:
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In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:


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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.

Maybe. But why. Itís not that great a play even when executed well. A Saquon run is a better play.
RE: Really strange to me  
giantstock : 9/9/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14567342 ryanmkeane said:
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that people are harping on the Barkley thing. We weren't winning this game regardless.


It's really mindboggling to me that you can't tell that it's not about Barkley and not giving him the ball. It's about an idiotic coach on this particular day who thinks the offense is okay enough to not give him the ball. What's going to happen when they really are playing to win? This isn't about Barkley as much as it's about Shurmur's thought process and philosophy.
giantstock  
ryanmkeane : 9/9/2019 8:56 am : link
we've all seen every Giants game since forever. This game in no way shape or form was lost because we didn't give Barkley enough touches.
giantstock  
ryanmkeane : 9/9/2019 8:57 am : link
Shurmur's "philosophy?" Our defense gave up 5 straight touchdowns in the game and Dak Prescott could have read a novel on every drop back. Giving Barkley 8-9 extra runs wasn't going to stop this from happening.
You guys  
ryanmkeane : 9/9/2019 8:59 am : link
can bitch and moan about Barkley all you want, that wasn't the issue. The team was not prepared on defense whatsoever. We could have scored 40 and it wouldn't have mattered. The Cowboys basically stopped playing midway through the 3rd.
RE: You guys  
Rudy5757 : 9/9/2019 1:26 pm : link
In comment 14567460 ryanmkeane said:
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can bitch and moan about Barkley all you want, that wasn't the issue. The team was not prepared on defense whatsoever. We could have scored 40 and it wouldn't have mattered. The Cowboys basically stopped playing midway through the 3rd.


I beg to differ, if you keep the game close anything can happen. SB is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball. We still probably lose the game by but it may not have been a blowout. After his 60 yard run we pretty much gave up on him. Keeping drives going also takes the pressure off the D by running the clock. Dallas pretty much ran a 50/50 run pass and we were 75% pass. Part of that may have been the blowout but if you are going to run playaction you need to run it and SB was under utilized in this game, you cant dispute that.
RE: You guys  
giantstock : 9/9/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14567460 ryanmkeane said:
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can bitch and moan about Barkley all you want, that wasn't the issue. The team was not prepared on defense whatsoever. We could have scored 40 and it wouldn't have mattered. The Cowboys basically stopped playing midway through the 3rd.


You can ignore other parts of the game all you want and pretend they didn't exist. You're just burying your head in the sand. Shurmur didn't use Barkley in an obvious manner a a 5 year old could understand. And his rollout of Eli were mind-numbingly stupid. It's okay once or maybe twice but even then its inst bright. Just because you want to pretend it didn't happen - dont knock us that also want to look at other parts of the game that you want to ignore.
More  
Thegratefulhead : 9/9/2019 7:17 pm : link
I'm going to go with more.
RE: RE: We needed to make sure  
weaverpsu : 9/9/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14567314 M.S. said:
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In comment 14567309 GiantsRage2007 said:


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We put in 4 or 5 Eli bootlegs and roll outs in place of SB runs


E.X.A.C.T.L.Y.

Shurmur forced those plays to prove that Eli can't execute them thus he needs to start Daniel Jones.


That's genius! Make horrible play calls so that he can prove Eli can't run so we can play a rookie and suck even more! Why didn't I think of that?
RE: Really strange to me  
weaverpsu : 9/9/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14567342 ryanmkeane said:
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that people are harping on the Barkley thing. We weren't winning this game regardless.


We had 2 drives stall because of terrible play calls, both of which they were in scoring position. Nothing was over at this point. Scoreboard pressure is real. Also, these are bad calls no matter what you think the outcome would be.
RE: We went through this with Shurmur last season  
santacruzom : 9/9/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14567327 Rflairr said:
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Heís a dumbass. He needs to give up play calling


But then you have Shula, who really may not offer much of an improvement.
RE: giantstock  
giantstock : 9/9/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14567454 ryanmkeane said:
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we've all seen every Giants game since forever. This game in no way shape or form was lost because we didn't give Barkley enough touches.


You are MISSING THE POINT.

The point is our coach was stupid -- he didn't LEARN from last year. It's so simple to use Barkley but he is THICK. SUre we didn't lose because we didn't give sb touches but it doesn't take away from the fact a 5 year old could understand you give your best players many touches. This guy doesn't understand that.

I'm also concerned that over the course of a season and even into next year our idiot HC doesn't seem to grasp that he needs ot use Barkley. If he is that dumb, how are the Giants ever going to get really good?

And shouldn't this piss you off that he even got hired considering how dumb he might be?
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