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How much of the confusion on D was caused by a new offensive

Now Mike in MD : 9/9/2019 8:36 am
The worst part about the D yesterday to me was the complete confusion in the secondary. Blown coverages with guys running free.

I was listening to the radio this morning and Dilfer was on. In the context of the Ravens game he said that NFL teams get blown out like that when they are unprepared for what they see. The team has prepared all week to see one thing, and during the game it's all changed up so you're looking one way and the play goes another.

I wonder how much of the Giants confusion was the result of Dallas hasving a new coordinator. I have no other explanation for guys who are veterans for the most partmaking so many mental errors.
I did posted  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/9/2019 8:38 am : link
on this below and agree. That had receivers way to open. It also hurt that Baker was a rookie and missed two weeks of camp.
Play fakes were constantly bit on  
JonC : 9/9/2019 8:42 am : link
that was a huge factor in several TD passes. It looked like the Cowboys ran right off a script. Not so sure about how many tendencies they broke yesterday, but Moore's work was sharp.
A lot of it was fundamentals...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2019 8:48 am : link
JonC had a good breakdown on this. Guys just aren't reading the plays well enough. They bit too often on play-action, and they were undisciplined in coverage, getting caught looking in the backfield while the WR's and TE's would run a route right by them. They covered the intermediate crossing routes fairly well, but CB's were consistently turned leading to short comeback routes being wide open and yet still they were burned on the deep sideline routes too.

Poor angles. Poor tackling. And the failure to give help or scheme once it was evident Moore was targeting Hamilton.
RE: Play fakes were constantly bit on  
BillT : 9/9/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14567404 JonC said:
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that was a huge factor in several TD passes. It looked like the Cowboys ran right off a script. Not so sure about how many tendencies they broke yesterday, but Moore's work was sharp.

Just the quality of their OL and RB makes this easier for them to do. Requires exceptional discipline to hold you position.
RE: I did posted  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/9/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14567395 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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on this below and agree. That had receivers way to open. It also hurt that Baker was a rookie and missed two weeks of camp.



It says a lot about the construction of this team that a rookie who missed significant camp days with an injury played a significant number of snaps. He obviously wasn't ready, yet he was the best option.
Itís called adjustments  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 9:20 am : link
This clown Bettcher never makes them.
RE: Itís called adjustments  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14567523 Rflairr said:
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This clown Bettcher never makes them.


How do adjustments cure blown assignments and misreads?

I'd love to tap into your wealth of knowledge to understand that.
I don't buy that it was because it wasn't the offense they expected  
JFIB : 9/9/2019 9:28 am : link
So a Defense can only be expected to play effectively when they know what the offense is doing? If only we could count on the other team doing only what we want them to do! BS! I don't have any confidence in this DC any more as for far to long, our guys just simply look unprepared out there.
RE: RE: Itís called adjustments  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 9:32 am : link
In comment 14567535 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14567523 Rflairr said:


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This clown Bettcher never makes them.



How do adjustments cure blown assignments and misreads?

I'd love to tap into your wealth of knowledge to understand that.


Blown assignments or continuing to play that cover 2?
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2019 9:33 am : link
Cover 2??
Carl Banks  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 9:34 am : link
Kept mentioning this as well. They were kept playing cover 2 and not changing. Even after halftime. I think Carl knows the game pretty well
RE: Huh??  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14567566 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Cover 2??


Yeah dumbass. Cover 2
But we  
NikkiMac : 9/9/2019 9:36 am : link
Have adult coaches
You will likely..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2019 9:42 am : link
see from the All 22 that it wasn't a Cover 2.

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The look we see often from Bettcher is to lock up the best cover defenders on the opposing three best receivers and use the three linebackers/safeties in the middle to account for the tight end and running back.

This look isnít quite as fancy of a disguise as the cover-3 robber look. Itís a subtler form of deception, because this is similar to how the Giants would align pre-snap if they were playing true cover-3 zone across the board. Playing different coverages out of the same look prevents the offense from being able to anticipate and get into the best play quite as often.

Bettcher doesnít just disguise out of single-high safety looks, though. The base D f a two-deep safety alignment. Just about any coverage was possible out of this look. They could have played quarters, cover-2, 2-man, rotated to a single-high look, etc.


Bettcher rarely plays a true Cover 2. He also gives multiple looks. Now perhaps that is causing confusion, but that is a different subject.

Just having two safeties isn't a Cover 2. And if you look at the splits, Bettcher played less Cover 2 than other formations in every single game last season. And he's called multiple looks - to say he's not making adjustments is just silly.
RE: You will likely..  
Now Mike in MD : 9/9/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14567600 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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see from the All 22 that it wasn't a Cover 2.



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The look we see often from Bettcher is to lock up the best cover defenders on the opposing three best receivers and use the three linebackers/safeties in the middle to account for the tight end and running back.

This look isnít quite as fancy of a disguise as the cover-3 robber look. Itís a subtler form of deception, because this is similar to how the Giants would align pre-snap if they were playing true cover-3 zone across the board. Playing different coverages out of the same look prevents the offense from being able to anticipate and get into the best play quite as often.

Bettcher doesnít just disguise out of single-high safety looks, though. The base D f a two-deep safety alignment. Just about any coverage was possible out of this look. They could have played quarters, cover-2, 2-man, rotated to a single-high look, etc.



Bettcher rarely plays a true Cover 2. He also gives multiple looks. Now perhaps that is causing confusion, but that is a different subject.

Just having two safeties isn't a Cover 2. And if you look at the splits, Bettcher played less Cover 2 than other formations in every single game last season. And he's called multiple looks - to say he's not making adjustments is just silly.


I always hear fans yelling about coaches not making adjustments. I think few fans are knowledgeable enough about the schemes and what a coach is doing or not doing to know 1 whether adjustments are being made and 2 whether any failure to adjust is the source of the problem
RE: RE: Itís called adjustments  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/9/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14567535 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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This clown Bettcher never makes them.



How do adjustments cure blown assignments and misreads?

I'd love to tap into your wealth of knowledge to understand that.
this
RE: A lot of it was fundamentals...  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/9/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14567425 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And the failure to give help or scheme once it was evident Moore was targeting Hamilton.


Non-snarky actual question: would this be considered making an adjustment?
He actually did..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/9/2019 10:16 am : link
they put Baker in and limited Hamilton's snaps. It is really difficult to do something mid-drive unless they called a TO or took Hamilton off the field.

Talk to former players and they will all laugh about the myth of halftime adjustments. Phil Simms used to go on about that frequently.
Let's give them a break  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/9/2019 10:24 am : link
they only had since the schedule was announced back in April to prepare.
Same mistakes from preseason  
Rudy5757 : 9/9/2019 10:56 am : link
miscommunication. Bethea was brought in because he knows the scheme but he was just as bad as everyone else. We must have stressed too much on stopping the run. Bottom line is we were out coached on both O and D.

We have a lot of young players so it's going to take some time. No pass rush and a young/new secondary is a disaster.
RE: Same mistakes from preseason  
LIbud : 9/9/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14567847 Rudy5757 said:
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miscommunication. Bethea was brought in because he knows the scheme but he was just as bad as everyone else. We must have stressed too much on stopping the run. Bottom line is we were out coached on both O and D.

We have a lot of young players so it's going to take some time. No pass rush and a young/new secondary is a disaster.


Besides Ogletree and Jackrabbit, maybe Tae Davis, this is a new D scheme to the back 7. Bethea two years removed from it, and 4 new guys and rookies to deal with. There was clearly confusion on assignments on the two middle field long TD's. This is going to take a few weeks at least, maybe less but not likely. Also, who's really a fit for it , personnel wise. I'm hoping this game isnt a real tell tale on our talent, or scheme, except week 1. Hoping...
It seemed like we were playing a ton of Cover 2 yesterday because  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/9/2019 11:30 am : link
everytime we went to it we got torched bad. Ogletree needs to go, can't pay a guy like him big money. I've been a defender of his because he has a knack for making big plays, but you need to do the routine shit too.
RE: It seemed like we were playing a ton of Cover 2 yesterday because  
justafan : 9/9/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14567967 Zeke's Alibi said:
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everytime we went to it we got torched bad. Ogletree needs to go, can't pay a guy like him big money. I've been a defender of his because he has a knack for making big plays, but you need to do the routine shit too.


If we did, they weren't playing it right. Isn't the point of cover 2 having two safeties back deep?
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