What did people expect out of the defense

i thought the Giants would score more points though

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that was pathetic.

I did not expect this on five consecutive drives:


11 plays, 75 yards, touchdown
9 plays, 93 yards, touchdown
13 plays, 83 yards, touchdown
3 plays, 75 yards, touchdown
7 plays, 89 yards, touchdown

I was scripting up my crow eating post in my mind after they went up 7-0

But I was hoping they would be serviceable. Maybe make a few stops. Our receivers aren't built for a shootout, so we needed the defense to keep the Cowboys honest. Couldn't do that.

The offense was ok. Didn't have any 3 and outs all game. Haven't seen that in a while. Need to give the ball more to Barkley, especially on short yardage in the red zone. Dunno what all this Eli Penny business was. I'm seriously starting to question Shurmur's coaching ability.

In comment 14567464 Eric from BBI said:

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I did not expect this on five consecutive drives: 11 plays, 75 yards, touchdown 9 plays, 93 yards, touchdown 13 plays, 83 yards, touchdown 3 plays, 75 yards, touchdown 7 plays, 89 yards, touchdown

Compare that to what the giants got on offense.. 10 freaking points.. when we were all healthy as well.. I expected our defense to struggle in the beginning especially against good offenses.. But our offense which I wasn't high on to begin with sucked really bad as well.. whats the point of investing so much on offense if they can't produce.. GM, DC, OC, HC, QB, Defensive players are all too blame for the debacle yesterday.. don't just blame the defense..

Ouch

is only blaming the defense?

But the defense was worse. The offense wasn't good enough and could not keep pace. But that's a damn good defense on the other side of the ball.

In comment 14567470 Bramton1 said:

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The offense was ok. Didn't have any 3 and outs all game.

Thats an insanely low bar to set.. after all this investment in offense, you are ok with no 3 and outs and 10 meaningful points?

Ultimately, I expected a loss, and felt the defense would be the reason for it, but not to get completely dominated. The Defense was terrible. Connelly made one good play. Carter got lucky on a PD. They did contain the run to an extent but they did nothing else.

Defense was worse then expected. Baker was worse then expected specifically. Safety play was poor.

offense could at least make it a game. I also expected Barkley to get more than 11 carries.

That Betcher's system could result in pressure on the QB.

That Bethea would be a veteran force to lead the young DBs.

That Peppers is a star in the making. Ditto for Carter.

We knew that the defense would be bad because the LBs suck and the youth at DB, but....ugh.

I got exactly what I expected, unfortunately.

I didn't expect them to win this game. It's like the league wants to spot Dallas a 1-0 divisional win start every season.

But it's frustrating to see them not be able to get off the field, and be able to, for example, know the next play is going to be a TD pass to the TE. The more they couldn't get the stop, the more winded they got.

No pass rush.
No ability to cover.
Guy's like Hamilton out there who have no business being on the field.

Dallas is good, and the Giants can likely tighten SOME of this stuff up along the way, but they're going to struggle against good teams until they can get some pressure on the QB.

And as Eric said: the offense needs to be better. They needed to throw more to Barkley -- a LOT more frankly, he didn't touch the ball nearly enough.

but I didn't think it would be nearly that bad. The run defense was a little better than I thought it would be.

significant time. An NFL QB is going to exploit that, and Dak is playing for a new contract.

Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer.

The offense only scoring 17 points (7 of which came in garbage time) was just as big a problem. You're not going to win in the NFL today scoring 10 or 17 points. Just not going to happen.

But also expected coaching to help at least cover for some things. I didn't expect no adjustment being made for Hamilton.Either by helping him or getting him out of there but not letting him get destroyed to the point he was killing us.

I expected players to be put in positions where they do best eg Baker. I know he's a rookie in his first game and struggled but having watched him at Georgia it seems he's at his best when up in receivers faces and playing tight man to man. Too often yesterday I saw him well off the line, and to me that's not letting him so what he's best at.

In comment 14567519 mikeinbloomfield said:

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Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer.

LOL! You mean the other “1st Round Pick” we got in the Beckham trade? At least we’re spending less money on a safety that’s trash in coverage.

How many crappy Cardinal castaways can you have in key positions and have it not take a toll.

but I don't know if they could put up any less resistance in the pass game.

Dak played well and threw the ball in the right spots but man, most of those throws were pitch and catch practice types.

were absolutely delusional about this team in general, and specifically about our defense. We don't have a pass rush, have maybe the worst group of LB's in in the league, a 35 year old safety, and a group of rookie corners. You'd have to be delusional to think that we'd be even close to average on defense this year - yet that's exactly what many here believed.

No only do we not have even a single pro-bowler on defense, we may not have ANY above average players. Jenkins and Peppers are probably average to slightly above average, and everyone else is probably below average. Why the hell would anyone think that would make for a solid defense????

In comment 14567553 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 14567519 mikeinbloomfield said: Quote: Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer. LOL! You mean the other “1st Round Pick” we got in the Beckham trade? At least we’re spending less money on a safety that’s trash in coverage.

I think he is being sarcastic.. Peppers is a worse version of Collins.. nothing more..

And in FA. That's even a more glaring problem in a 3-4. Martin and Davis stink. Carter has yet to show much. Golden is a reclamation project. Ogletree is okay, but no more than average.

it's almost like this defense is missing an entire level of play right in the middle of the field.

In comment 14567553 sb from NYT Forum said:

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In comment 14567519 mikeinbloomfield said: Quote: Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer. LOL! You mean the other “1st Round Pick” we got in the Beckham trade? At least we’re spending less money on a safety that’s trash in coverage.

"That's our other number one pick!" I scream, when I can read "Peppers" on his jersey because he's chasing a Cowboys WR on his way to the end zone.

In comment 14567570 chuckydee9 said:

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In comment 14567553 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: In comment 14567519 mikeinbloomfield said: Quote: Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer. LOL! You mean the other “1st Round Pick” we got in the Beckham trade? At least we’re spending less money on a safety that’s trash in coverage. I think he is being sarcastic.. Peppers is a worse version of Collins.. nothing more..

Ask Redskins fans what LC was doing on those Desean Jackson catches.

In comment 14567570 chuckydee9 said:

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In comment 14567553 sb from NYT Forum said: Quote: In comment 14567519 mikeinbloomfield said: Quote: Love having Peppers back there though, real game changer. LOL! You mean the other “1st Round Pick” we got in the Beckham trade? At least we’re spending less money on a safety that’s trash in coverage. I think he is being sarcastic.. Peppers is a worse version of Collins.. nothing more..

Yeah I got the sarcasm and was joining in the fun!

But not much.

but I am willing to cut the DL and OLB some slack as they played the best OL in football. Never felt that the Bethea gamble would payoff, as you simply lose speed with age. Davis and Hamilton are not starters, Baker is a rookie and will get better.

You have to be able to get after the passer.

Of course you have to have the personnel to do so, but Dak didn't see any pressure yesterday.

the LBs have to be the strongest unit on the team.

In comment 14567657 figgy2989 said:

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You have to be able to get after the passer. Of course you have to have the personnel to do so, but Dak didn't see any pressure yesterday.

No pass rush sucks.

I don’t expect perfection or the 86 Giants. But that was awful

was designed based off strong coverage and knew that we had too many new pieces to NOT have a few blown coverages.

What bothered me was that they seemed lost for half the game (or more). The mistakes just continued and I didn't expect to see so many continuing for so long.

I do expect the young/new secondary to improve. They have a lot of film to look at, lots of discussions to have in the meeting room, and lots of opportunity in front of them (15 remaining games) to improve their communication and understanding.

We need to invest heavily in LB, FS and Pass rushers.. we haven't done any of that.. and no Ogletree doesn't count he probably won't get a starting job in the NFL if we release him..

On the contrary there are so many people arguing that our offense wasn't bad defense sucked but compared to the investment we've made the ROI on offense is worse.. a 10 point output isn't going to win you games in 2019 even if we have the 86 giants d out there.

Continuously in the perfect position...


...to miss the tackle.

>:(

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but Dallas is maybe a bit better than some here want to admit. With that OL, it was just about the worst possible matchup for an inexperienced defense with talent deficiencies at key spots. We couldn't lay a hand on Dak. Dallas has drafted really well.

If the D gets smoked by an inept Buffalo offense this week, then some serious questions need to be asked of this defensive coaching staff.

But to let them score 3 TDs to players that weren't even covered at all is a bit too much.

In comment 14567464 Eric from BBI said:

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I did not expect this on five consecutive drives: 11 plays, 75 yards, touchdown 9 plays, 93 yards, touchdown 13 plays, 83 yards, touchdown 3 plays, 75 yards, touchdown 7 plays, 89 yards, touchdown

The Defense should focus more on allowing the 70+ yard touchdown drives drives in 3 plays or less. They only achieved that once yesterday which is not nearly enough.

This should give our Offense the ball more often...

I expected to use the young corners in lots of aggressive man to man. Less thinking and more doing. And I expected Lawrence to be a disruption in the middle and send blitzes in the outside. Force Dak to make tight throws against man to man. He isn't accurate. His best throws are the fade and I have to give him credit for those. But come on, could his job been any easier yesterday? Just stood there and threw to people wide open. Pathetic.

I didn't expect we'd blow 4 coverages resulting in TD's where not a single defender is within 10 yards of the play. That's on the coaches.

Seems like defense had a few strong leaders the past few years

all except Jackrabbit are no longer with the team..

how could you expect any other outcome?

talent on defense, most with Pro Bowl or All Pro credentials, while the majority of posters here cheered him on and few had the courage to defend the players. JPP, Harrison, Vernon, Collins and DRC. “Glad to see him gone. Overrated, overpaid and look at all the cap space we freed up.” Add the young players he got rid of. Kennard is developing into a star DL and Eli Apple is the starting left corner for the Saint team that came within one blown PI call of making the Super Bowl. Ridiculous to give up on the 10th overall draft pick after two seasons when he had flashed promisingly as a rookie. All of these players are on NFL rosters, even DRC, and except for DRC and JPP, who injured himself again, all are starters. (JPP was voted the 65th best player in the NFL in 2018 in the annual player’s vote administered by NFL.com.)

All of these players were on the 2016 defense ranked third best in points allowed. The destruction of this defense by Gettleman in two and a half years is unprecedented. For all of you who supported him, enjoy the next few years of hell, with almost certainly another regime to be coming in.

But on the bright side, the atmosphere in the clubhouse is said to be much improved.

In comment 14567757 Greg from LI said:

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Excellent callback.

the LBs aren't starting quality players.

They have no pass rushers.

What I did not expect was the defense to look that confused and poorly coached.

agree 100% -- Gettlemen just dumped defensive players with a vengeance --- as you mentioned in 2016 this defense was one of the best in the league.

if we still have Vernon and Collins we would be a much better defense ..