Has anybody else never seen that call made in that situation?
Under duress, out of the pocket, thrown to the feet of Barkley.. and somehow everyone on the telecast saying in was a good call.
I've never seen that called as Intentional Grounding before.
I thought I was losing my mind.. Am I?
also the receiver was within 5 yards or so of that ball
that being said they werent gonna win anyway
That crew was terrible yesterday. They picked up two flags that were legitimate penalties. And threw two that weren't.
The QB getting hit while throwing normally negates intentional grounding and regardless, he had a receiver less than 5 yards away.
Lots of things to be bothered by, but that was one of them.
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Lorenzo Carter clobbered Dak in the helmet on a rush in the first half and no call. Yes, they missed a call again him but please stop fantasizing that the NFL is in a conspiracy against Eli Manning. It's not a good look.
I know this is never Eli's style but at some point he has to throw up his hands for the call and put the refs on the spot to take the flag out. Get in their face sometime. Brady and Rogers scream for every little touch and they get it as a result.
Was it a good call? Yes or no?
We would’ve lost anyway but the refs sucked and blew many calls non in our favor.
I thought the call was right....Eli was under pressure and he failed to get it passed the LOS.
It's not about getting hit and not being able to throw it that far in this case IMO (like when a QB is hit from the blindside).
Bad play by Eli.
Eli is in the pocket, as long as he throws it at a receiver - which he did - there's no grounding. Regardless of LOS.
There was no reason for that to even be considered for intentional grounding, bad call or not.
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a bunch crybabies whining about refs. Yup, the new season has officially begun
Was it a good call? Yes or no?
Yes, it was. Seems the officials and announcing team thought so too. And no, it was not homerism from Troy. He was completely right. This blaming the refs crap is beyond childish.
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a bunch crybabies whining about refs. Yup, the new season has officially begun
Was it a good call? Yes or no?
Yes, it was. Seems the officials and announcing team thought so too. And no, it was not homerism from Troy. He was completely right. This blaming the refs crap is beyond childish.
I think so too. Eli has to get it near the receiver, or pass the LOS. He did neither, and being hit/dragged down does not play in the ref's evaluation process.........he's avoiding a sack so he has to do one or the other and did neither. Tough spot though.
Bad play by Eli.
If Eli had intentionally thrown it out of bounds (and not reached the LOS) the call would have been legit. The fact that he threw the ball in the vicinity of a receiver is precisely why it was a bad call.
I'd have to watch again, but live I thought it was close enough to a receiver (while getting hit) for it to be not IG. But as a fan I realize I am biased.
Look, I think it was a poor call. But it was completely avoidable. Throw the ball out of bounds and it's an incompletion.
Manning was outside the pocket. If the ball gets to the LOS or is thrown past the LOS out of bounds, there cannot be a grounding call.
Heaving the ball a country mile out of bounds is the smarter play there, as compared to chucking it towards the (non) receivers feet.
The part that is in question is the rule itself, which states:
So the question is really whether or not the ball was thrown in the direction of and landed in the vicinity of an originally eligible receiver.
The ball was clearly thrown in the direction of an eligible receiver, although it was short the trajectory was toward that receiver. It appeared to be short somewhere between 5-10 yards from what I could tell.
It appears in this case, that was not enough. So then the "outside the pocket" rule comes into play.
I think the contention many of us have is that generally speaking the throw toward a receiver who is eligible that lands within 10 yards or less of that receiver's feet is not called.
when the defense tackled a guy in the end zone and the refs said it's no penalty because Eli was out of the pocket.
I'm no football rules expert, but I'm pretty sure when a QB leaves the pocket you still can't tackle a receiver.
the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
the passer is out of the pocket, and his passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage.
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Item 2. Physical Contact. Intentional grounding should not be called if:
the passer initiates his passing motion toward an eligible receiver and then is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the pass to land in an area that is not in the direction and vicinity of an eligible receiver; or
the passer is out of the pocket, and his passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage.
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So again, we get into "judgement" calls. I think this particular rule is put it for such cases, as an example, when the QB is hit from behind. Balls doesn't cross the LOS, arm still goes forward, but is no where near a receiver.
That wouldn't be grounding.
Barkley screams by him. Almost the entire D sniffs it then crowds to Barkley. That left Engram and Tomlinson open for the easy throw but they were not the first read. Again, just a guess.
Bad play by Eli.
No, that's wrong. He threw to a receiver in the area, Barkley. So the fact the ball didn't reach the line of scrimmage doesn't apply. The refs always give that to the QB. They seem to have a separate standard for Eli.
And why doesn't Shumer throw the red flag when Eli gets hit in the head? It happened several times.
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was on the Manning fumble. A receiver gets tackled during his route and it's not a penalty? No, it may not be illegal contact, but it sure as hell was defensive holding.
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This ^^^^^ the officiating was terrible. Not an excuse for the poor D play but 3 drives were stopped because of false calls or non calls. And 1 drive was saved for Dallas with a terrible non call of 12 men
Look, I think it was a poor call. But it was completely avoidable. Throw the ball out of bounds and it's an incompletion.
Manning was outside the pocket. If the ball gets to the LOS or is thrown past the LOS out of bounds, there cannot be a grounding call.
Heaving the ball a country mile out of bounds is the smarter play there, as compared to chucking it towards the (non) receivers feet.