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Isn't Jones better suited for this playbook than Eli?

Essex : 9/9/2019 10:57 am
TO do a successful rollout don't you at least have let the defenses think you have the ability to run for it with the QB? Look, I love Eli and I don't think he was bad yesterday (he was totally fine and competent) and feel awful that we have wasted the back nine of his career. But so much of Shurmur's playbook, especially the rollouts need a QB that the defense at least will think will run. If that was the case, maybe we get the two first downs in the short yardage situation as the DBs and Lbs hedge of their coverage.

I think Eli can still be successful in this league, but Jones is the future for this organization, I believe he is ready to play, he is better for this playbook--so we might as well just get it over with. Moreover, shouldn't we see what this coach can do with Jones before we commit to a year 3 of this. I don't know if my opinion is right or wrong, but I am having a hard time convincing myself that Eli is the right QB for the long-term success of our franchise.

You want to say week 1; I get that. But that defense was an embarrassment and unlike 07 where our defense had talent but got blown out the first two weeks, nobody can convince me that we did not see the true defense yesterday and that this will dramatically improve against competent offenses in this league.
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GiantEgo : 9/9/2019 11:04 am : link
Jones due to his accuracy is a better fit for Shurmer's offense where YAC is very important. He hits receivers in stride on short passes something Eli could never do even in his best years.
What check-down passes?  
Giant John : 9/9/2019 11:06 am : link
Seems like all we did.
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V.I.G. : 9/9/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14567876 GiantEgo said:
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Jones due to his accuracy is a better fit for Shurmer's offense where YAC is very important. He hits receivers in stride on short passes something Eli could never do even in his best years.

+1

Iíll add that Eli isnít trusting his receivers. He throws the ball after they break giving the coverage time to recover and contest.
Yep  
Saos1n : 9/9/2019 11:10 am : link
Sure is
Either player could do what it takes to win.  
jsuds : 9/9/2019 11:10 am : link
Get the ball to Saquon.
I hope Shurmer figures this out. Fast.
Yes  
Thegratefulhead : 9/9/2019 11:11 am : link
Of course he is. It is a West coast offense.
Yes  
5BowlsSoon : 9/9/2019 11:12 am : link
I think Shurmur knows this too. However, not easy to bench Eli knowing how the owner feels about Eli.
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weaverpsu : 9/9/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14567876 GiantEgo said:
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Jones due to his accuracy is a better fit for Shurmer's offense where YAC is very important. He hits receivers in stride on short passes something Eli could never do even in his best years.


Funny post. Really funny.
Makes you wonder  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 11:19 am : link
Why did Mara and Tisch hire this guy. Mcadoo with better fashion sense.
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Bruner4329 : 9/9/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14567910 weaverpsu said:
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In comment 14567876 GiantEgo said:





Funny post. Really funny.

+1. What a novel thought. Another ant-Eli post. How many do we need a day? Do some of these people even know or understand what they watch.So we determined that Jones is a highly accurate passer based on what? 4 preseason games playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers. I think I will wait maybe a full season before I come to that determination.
And oh by the way, did you happen to watch his performance yesterday. Completed 3 of 4 passes. The 3 completed were basically underneath and check downs. The one he missed he was under pressure and missed badly.
Jones is likely a better fit.  
Mr. Bungle : 9/9/2019 11:38 am : link
But that wouldn't change the fact that Shurmur is a C- head coach.
asking Eli to repeatedly roll out  
Pep22 : 9/9/2019 11:43 am : link
is like asking Bartolo Colon to play center field
RE: Makes you wonder  
ron mexico : 9/9/2019 11:45 am : link
In comment 14567935 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Why did Mara and Tisch hire this guy. Mcadoo with better fashion sense.


the sideline outfits were sharp

Shurmur's offense  
Strahan91 : 9/9/2019 11:45 am : link
needs a more mobile QB than Eli to work as it's supposed to. Nothing against Eli, that's not his fault but Jones' skillset is a better fit. With that being said, Eli probably gives them a better chance at winning than a rookie QB but at some point if they keep losing Shurmur is going to want to make a switch like McAdoo did.
RE: asking Eli to repeatedly roll out  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14568013 Pep22 said:
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is like asking Bartolo Colon to play center field


I would actually pay to see that. ;)
Obviously NOT,  
ZogZerg : 9/9/2019 11:54 am : link
Eli Manning 1 rush for 6 yards
D. Jones 1 rush for 5 yards

Stats don't lie....
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jvm52106 : 9/9/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14567982 Bruner4329 said:
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In comment 14567910 weaverpsu said:


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In comment 14567876 GiantEgo said:





Funny post. Really funny.


+1. What a novel thought. Another ant-Eli post. How many do we need a day? Do some of these people even know or understand what they watch.So we determined that Jones is a highly accurate passer based on what? 4 preseason games playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers. I think I will wait maybe a full season before I come to that determination.
And oh by the way, did you happen to watch his performance yesterday. Completed 3 of 4 passes. The 3 completed were basically underneath and check downs. The one he missed he was under pressure and missed badly.


Under pressure? He was clocked in the head.. Dear god, the Eli worship has to stop here. Eli is not horrible but he is NOT the answer and at times is the problem. Jones needs to play NOW... Look at Lamar Jackson. He played last year in reality, regardless of making the playoffs, to be ready to be the unquestioned guy in 2019. Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith for 15 games but that was becuase the Chiefs were heading to the playoffs. If the Chiefs were out of it or had no expectation of making the playoffs he would have played sooner. We are in the NO playoff expectation scenario and thus Jones should play!
There are 2 options  
BH28 : 9/9/2019 11:57 am : link
1. Shurmur has no clue how to adopt his offense to fit the actual personnel he has. Let's call this Ben McAdoo Disease

2. He knows Eli can't run it and is undermining him to accelerate the process of eventually starting Jones.

I don't think Shurmur is an evil genius, so I am going with Option 1.
Just based on Jones's...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 12:13 pm : link
athleticism and mobility, on paper he clearly has better physical tools than Eli to fit into Shurmur's playbook.

Shurmur had Eli roll out so many times...  
M.S. : 9/9/2019 12:33 pm : link

...to prove to management that Eli can't execute Shurmur's playbook, ergo he has to make the switch to Daniel Jones ASAP.
good grief  
GiantEgo : 9/9/2019 12:59 pm : link
I am as pro Eli as anyone here. He has always had trouble throwing short passes what have you been watching? Coughlin more than once eluded to his inability to throw short accurately as a reason such plays were not part of the gameplan.
It certainly seemed ...  
BronxBob : 9/9/2019 3:21 pm : link
... to add up to Shurmur making the central point of this thread. If so, though, does he intend to try to compete with the Dolphins? Or would he like to win a game here and there?
I thought a good coach  
Bill in UT : 9/9/2019 3:39 pm : link
fashions his scheme to fit the talents of his players. If Eli isn't a good fit, that's on Shurmer
RE: Obviously NOT,  
Darth Paul : 9/9/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14568051 ZogZerg said:
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Eli Manning 1 rush for 6 yards
D. Jones 1 rush for 5 yards

Stats don't lie....


Great Post. You did miss Eli's lack of pass Defense. He cannot escape a sack either...
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