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What's the Offensive Identity?

christian : 9/9/2019 11:02 am
I'm a founding member of the move on from Manning club, and even I can see he can operate an offense. On no planet did he play a bad game.

What's fascinating is what is the identity of this offense, and what Shurmur wants from Manning and the surrounding cast operating in it.

Do you guys think Manning can succeed in a WCO without a big time WR freeing up some of the pressure?

Disconcerting things from last night:

- Designed rollouts for 38-year-old Manning are dangerous, he's slow to the spot and it's not buying him more time. The penalties on rollouts were lame, but Manning looked uncomfortable on both plays and got smashed.

- No one knows the distribution of check downs vs. designed short passes, but it's year 15 and the QB is just not crisp on these throws, they need to be limited.

- Sterling Shepard averaging 7 yards per reception is either a symptom or cause of the offense getting choked close the LOS.

- 11 carries for Barkley is fire-able, even if the Giants are behind, the biggest threat for a big play is Barkley. Heck, Barkley is the best bet for a positive play. Eli Penny ok 3rd and short? Lol.

Positive things from last night:

- Engram looks like the guy Reese expected, he's faster than linebackers and corners, and he looks fluid out there now.

- Zeitler is as advertised in pass-pro, his name wasn't brought up at all (a good thing).

- Manning still can whip it out there to the sideline, fabulous throw to Latimer on that big gain. I doubted he still had that throw.
What the offenses identity?  
jsuds : 9/9/2019 11:05 am : link
Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley, Barkley and sprinkle in a little play action.
It is offensive......  
thrunthrublue : 9/9/2019 11:10 am : link
To be a lifelong fan of a team without any pass rushers or secondary players that can cover, itís also offensive to be looking at yet another effing losing season, itís offensive.
What's Pat Shurmur's identity as a coach?  
bceagle05 : 9/9/2019 11:12 am : link
Does he have one? Has he ever? This offense is a reflection of him - bland and largely ineffective. Hard to have a boring offense with Saquon Barkley, but Pat's gonna give it his best shot.
The locker room presence and aura  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 11:12 am : link
Of Tanney.

Cutting Lauletta really seemed to send the wrong message to a young team, bad coaching by Shurmor.
The offensive identity?  
Anakim : 9/9/2019 11:13 am : link
Quite simple. It's Saquon Barkley.
Still not at all sold on Engram  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 11:15 am : link
He's a possession TE with not breakaway ability nor a fierce 50/50 ball receiver. He did have a good jump at combine? Quite possible play calling and offense stype does not until I've him fully.
They made a lot of mistakes yesterday including...  
Torrag : 9/9/2019 11:15 am : link
Not getting Saquon enough touches.
S Barkley and a cloud of dust  
micky : 9/9/2019 11:16 am : link
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RE: The offensive identity?  
jcn56 : 9/9/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14567915 Anakim said:
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Quite simple. It's Saquon Barkley.


It should be. But based on yesterday's results can you say it is?

The Giants O has amnesia - it doesn't know who it is or what it's supposed to be doing. The D had a pretty strong case of that as well.
RE: RE: The offensive identity?  
crick n NC : 9/9/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14567934 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14567915 Anakim said:


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Quite simple. It's Saquon Barkley.



It should be. But based on yesterday's results can you say it is?

The Giants O has amnesia - it doesn't know who it is or what it's supposed to be doing. The D had a pretty strong case of that as well.


Yep 👍
Getting  
crick n NC : 9/9/2019 11:28 am : link
Barkley the ball in all kinds of ways, play action passing with shots DTF. Dallas never believed Shurmur would stick with the run imo.
I think the offensive identity is built on  
allstarjim : 9/9/2019 11:33 am : link
the short and intermediate passing game. Kind of a slashing attack, where the running game is a complement of the passing game.
RE: Still not at all sold on Engram  
christian : 9/9/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14567922 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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He's a possession TE with not breakaway ability nor a fierce 50/50 ball receiver. He did have a good jump at combine? Quite possible play calling and offense stype does not until I've him fully.


Say what now?
Option 1  
Saos1n : 9/9/2019 11:36 am : link
Give it to Barkley and enjoy success

Option 2
Donít give it to Barkley and pray
RE: Still not at all sold on Engram  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14567922 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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He's a possession TE with not breakaway ability nor a fierce 50/50 ball receiver. He did have a good jump at combine? Quite possible play calling and offense stype does not until I've him fully.


Great post - perfectly exemplifies why so many consider you to be among the very worst posters here.

Keep up the great work Coach!
You can play all the running game you want  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2019 11:39 am : link
but cannot expect 60 yards too often just to score touchdowns. And based on this defense we will need to score several TDs a game to win (sound familiar?).

They will need to pass the ball, with yards after the catch, to move it down the field in chunks during games...like everybody else.

When we get down to the Red Zone, I have no answers as Eli & Co do not have a good makeup of talents to score at a reliable clip. Obviously play-action is #1 choice but how many chances do you get at that...one?


Christian  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/9/2019 11:45 am : link
I was hoping for a balanced attack. I think as the game progressed Shurmur felt his defense couldn't stop anyone and he went pass happy. So many coaches make this mistake.

I agree about the roll-outs with Eli. If we compared the OL to last years at this time it is night and day.

Hopefully, the offense takes a big step next week but unless the defense can at least be average this season will get out of control quickly.
RE: Still not at all sold on Engram  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14567922 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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He's a possession TE with not breakaway ability nor a fierce 50/50 ball receiver. He did have a good jump at combine? Quite possible play calling and offense stype does not until I've him fully.


This is a terrible post. Engram is a freak at TE. 2nd best part of the offense. His problem is staying healthy.
RE: Option 1  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14567988 Saos1n said:
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Give it to Barkley and enjoy success

Option 2
Donít give it to Barkley and pray

Put him out wide, run routes against a LB. Can you imagine what could happen with SB running a slany? Jet sweep with him. Bubble screen with the Maurice Carthon of WRs Sharpe. Anything, not the predictable crap Dallas had diagnosed all day, like the fake screen the receiver got lit up. They watch our film ffs.

And what coach would be dumb enough to hand off to Barry Sanders 5 times a game, boggles the mind.
We want to run  
Josiah31 : 9/9/2019 12:01 pm : link
Bootlegs with Eli on short yardage plays and set the time early and often with that.
Identity? Wife of an alcoholic  
j_rud : 9/9/2019 12:10 pm : link
"Effective in her own right, but can't really do her thing because she's too busy cleaning up after her fuck up of a partner"
Shurmur  
Les in TO : 9/9/2019 12:13 pm : link
Is asking Manning to throw on the move quite a bit which isnít his strong suit. He also underutilizes Barkley
The offensive identity is the same crappy offense we have seen since  
GiantBlue : 9/9/2019 12:17 pm : link
2012!

Is every route a buttonhook?

All during the 1:00 PM games and then during our games, there were gamebreaks where QB's were leading their WR's into the end-zone.

Wentz to Jackson, Wentz to Ertz, Wentz to Jeffrey....all designed for YAC's.....

Our stupid, grind to a halt offense is run 8 yards, turn around, maybe catch the ball and get tackled!

ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Its identity is sitting on the bench watching the other team march  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2019 12:26 pm : link
for 5 straight TDs, averaging 83 yards and 8 plays per drive.

The focus needs to be on the defense
RE: The offensive identity?  
gmenatlarge : 9/9/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14567915 Anakim said:
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Quite simple. It's Saquon Barkley.


Could you pass that on to Shurmur...
I wish the identity was  
gmen9892 : 9/9/2019 12:57 pm : link
What they were preaching all summer. Running the ball with tons of play action. The worst part is, that identity was playing out exactly the way they wanted early in the game, then Shumur mysteriously went away from it.

This Offensive Line has improved and we have Barkley back there making plays. Stick to the run until the opposing teams force you out of it. Under no circumstance should Barkley be touching the ball less than 20 times.
RE: What's Pat Shurmur's identity as a coach?  
rocco8112 : 9/9/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14567907 bceagle05 said:
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Does he have one? Has he ever? This offense is a reflection of him - bland and largely ineffective. Hard to have a boring offense with Saquon Barkley, but Pat's gonna give it his best shot.


losing football
That's a great question OP  
weaverpsu : 9/9/2019 7:35 pm : link
What it should be is running the football and play-action, which Eli used to be one of the best at. His fakes used to be awesome and he throws a great deep ball. Under McAdoo and Shurmer, he is asked to do things he isn't best at. His post throws have always been money. I miss Gilbride.
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