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My Thoughts On State of The Giants

Josiah31 : 9/9/2019 11:49 am
I read here more then I post. Iím a huge Eli fan and never once thought he was the problem. Itís been absolutely criminal the talent he has had around him on the offensive line. I think given the right circumstances, he would succeed. They have done a decent job FINALLY giving him an above average oline, but it is too little too late. Iím not an expert like the coaches should be, but even I can see that this offense isnít a good fit for Eli. What in the world do they see? Heís a statue back there. Shouldnít be running bootlegs on third and one. And we saw that how many times? Absolutely inexcusable, especially when we have the best back the league has seen in over a decade. That was a terrible showing last night. The coaching staff should be feeling some heat for it.

my thought on the state of the giants  
Justlurking : 9/9/2019 11:53 am : link
We are a win now team with a 3-5 year rebuild.
same as its been - ( New Window )
its week 1...  
Rory : 9/9/2019 11:55 am : link
We have a young Defense..

Cowboys are really good...

Make your determination in 5 weeks
Itís the type of offense  
Josiah31 : 9/9/2019 11:58 am : link
That Shumer wants to run. Itís not a fit for Eli. Square peg, round hole. I donít even know why you would try that. Eli is so much better under center and sitting in a pocket. Not scrambling.
I believe that Eli actually rolled to his left and threw a TD pass on  
Rjanyg : 9/9/2019 12:06 pm : link
the first offensive drive of the year. So, I think he is capable of doing this, however, doing twice to the short side of the field to Lawrence's side without a great play fake is just stupid. That is as much on the coach as it is on Eli.

If Shurmur wants to keep his job he needs to know when to lean on Barkley and 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 are great times to lean on him.
It's on the coaches now  
mrvax : 9/9/2019 12:11 pm : link
On offense, start with Barkley and give him 20 carries/game and see what happens next.

Defense must break down tape and figure why the Cow players went uncovered. Fix that. Dumb it down? Every player on every play must be checked by the guy who scripted the play and discover what went wrong. Learn from it.
Shurmur seemed to have it all with Case Keenum in Minnesota  
GiantBlue : 9/9/2019 12:12 pm : link
Case is the kind of QB that can extend a play with his legs/sliding in and out of the pocket with receivers who can jump their routes like Diggs & Thielen.

He has designed the same offense for Eli and it is clear Eli doesn't have that same efficiency. When he rolls out, he looks terrible, can't really throw on the run and usually gets blown up.

We don't have any sort of deep threat for Eli to play the underneath game with.

The Bills do not have an easy defense to play against. What can we expect next Sunday? More of the same?

I love Eli too, but this is like a bad marriage.
RE: my thought on the state of the giants  
jcn56 : 9/9/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14568050 Justlurking said:
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We are a win now team with a 3-5 year rebuild. same as its been - ( New Window )


5 year rebuild? In the NFL? With the average roster turnover being what it is?

After the 3rd year you'd be in your second rebuilding campaign.
RE: RE: my thought on the state of the giants  
Rory : 9/9/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14568100 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14568050 Justlurking said:


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We are a win now team with a 3-5 year rebuild. same as its been - ( New Window )



5 year rebuild? In the NFL? With the average roster turnover being what it is?

After the 3rd year you'd be in your second rebuilding campaign.


Giants fans/media dont have enough patience for an efficient re-build.
RE: Shurmur seemed to have it all with Case Keenum in Minnesota  
cjac : 9/9/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14568097 GiantBlue said:
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I love Eli too, but this is like a bad marriage.


They need to divorce for the sake of the kids
RE: Shurmur seemed to have it all with Case Keenum in Minnesota  
Les in TO : 9/9/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14568097 GiantBlue said:
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Case is the kind of QB that can extend a play with his legs/sliding in and out of the pocket with receivers who can jump their routes like Diggs & Thielen.

He has designed the same offense for Eli and it is clear Eli doesn't have that same efficiency. When he rolls out, he looks terrible, can't really throw on the run and usually gets blown up.

We don't have any sort of deep threat for Eli to play the underneath game with.

The Bills do not have an easy defense to play against. What can we expect next Sunday? More of the same?

I love Eli too, but this is like a bad marriage.
a divorce is less than 4 months away
The Giants are a very young team  
mavric : 9/9/2019 12:24 pm : link
Green as grass. They will improve over the season. It's a big jump to the NFL.

I love Eli, but he should probably be phased out over the season to give Jones some seasoning. Write this season off if we lose the next couple of games and hope for the number one draft pick. Of course, teams will come with hat in hand to trade for one of the QBs and the Giants should rape some team and garner multiple picks as well as a couple of no.1 picks in future years.

Not worried here. We're building a solid team for the future and as I said, much of the team is very talented, but green as grass NFL-wise. Much better days ahead.
We aren't getting the number one pick in a league that has the Dolphin  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/9/2019 12:34 pm : link
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Eli isn't the issue  
uconngiant : 9/9/2019 12:41 pm : link
I wish people would stop blaming him. The defense was terrible. I know it is young but some shouldn't be starting in the NFL, period
Eli is the issue  
NewBlue : 9/9/2019 12:46 pm : link
Paying him to be a star, a leader......he has not been so for too long......had he extended drives the other team would not have had the ball control they did......this is not just about yesterday

Mara and Tisch are below par owners  
moespree : 9/9/2019 12:49 pm : link
Their deficiency remained hidden due to Eli and others in their prime. As soon as age caught up with Eli and changes started to be made, the ineptitude in their ownership began to show.

I have no confidence at all they will make the right decision in anything they do anymore. Sure they might fire Shurmur or his staff but I see no reason to think they'd have any idea how to hire the correct replacements.
The last 2 coaches Mara hired were a bad fit for Eli under center  
joe48 : 9/9/2019 1:19 pm : link
The problem is John Mara. He keeps hiring coaches with a scheme that requires a mobile QB. MacAdoo had the same problems. Neither guy wants Eli under center. That is on John Mara.
RE: Eli isn't the issue  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14568147 uconngiant said:
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I wish people would stop blaming him. The defense was terrible. I know it is young but some shouldn't be starting in the NFL, period


He's the "THE" issue but he's part of it. They had 470yds and 17 points. Defense sucked yes, but the offense and playcalling hurt this offense from scoring more. They could have put up another 10-14 pts with better playing calling and execution.
RE: Eli isn't the issue  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14568147 uconngiant said:
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I wish people would stop blaming him. The defense was terrible. I know it is young but some shouldn't be starting in the NFL, period


Who do we hold accountable for converting 19% of their 3rd downs?

That's miserable.
meant to say  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/9/2019 1:22 pm : link
he's not "THE" issue...
The OL  
MotownGIANTS : 9/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
played a lot better! We need to figrue out how to stretch the field. Tate is not going to help with that, unfortunately. Also Eli needs to play better and stop missing open guys. However Shurmur needs to be a better HC and the OC needs to have a plan that down plays his weaknesses. Also will realizing Ball Control is the ONLY way we will be successful this year. The D is sucky so why not ground and pound and keep them off the field and control the clock? SB needs 12 to 15 runs a game with 5 to 7 passes of those 5 to 7 1/2 is a glorified run .... swing, screen, shuffle etc. Last be not least rolling Eli out on purpose makes no freaking sense ... stop with the cute BS ... like Penny on 4th and 1 vs Barkley .... WTH?????
RE: We aren't getting the number one pick in a league that has the Dolphin  
Reale01 : 9/9/2019 1:27 pm : link
In comment 14568137 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The game vs Miami may be the first "meaningful" game since the playoff loss in Green Bay.
3rd & 1  
MotownGIANTS : 9/9/2019 1:31 pm : link
the Penny play ... the roll out was 4th down
how many negative runs  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 9/9/2019 1:51 pm : link
did Barkley have??

How many sacks did Dallas have with that vaunted D-Line?

The Oline minus some dumb penalties played pretty damn good yesterday.
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