I’m just asking a question not making a statement but I’ve had this thought since the draft. Gettleman has talked about the hog mollies and with higher picks has looked to draft huge players. Seems to me that the league is moving towards linemen, on both sides of the ball, who are quicker or faster or more agile. The drafting of larger players seems like an old Parcells strategy or maybe just older school. Again, just asking, but this is a sign that Mara hired an older GM who thinks like an old GM as opposed to a younger guy who could have brought something different to the table?
...our O-line blocked pretty well yesterday and our front 3 on defense played the run fairly well.
We have no speed at Edge and our LBer group as a whole is probably 32nd out of 32 NFL teams.
We need more pass rushing talent and more Safety talent. But that sort of implies speed.
As others have said, we're still in the early stages of a rebuild so it's too soon to judge but I think there needs to be improvement by the end of year, and certainly next.
I have to believe the thinking was that the big dudes would collapse the pocket and then Golden/Carter/Ximines could provide a rush from the exterior.
Didn’t happen
The OL has settled down....so I do not see a mistake there.....
Now, the LBers need to be more athletic and they do not have an edge rusher....which is needed and obviously missing....which DG must address
If Gettleman got the Jones pick right (so far looks good) and has Barkley to go with him...
The biggest mistake, I think, is hiring Shurmur. Looks like they got that hire wrong. If so, they need to give him the Omameh treatment and cut their losses.
I am concerned about the D, not much Gettleman has done right there yet, except for hanging on to JackRabbit. Then again, maybe coaching is part of the problem.
If they were, they'd be running Barkley 30 times a game.
God forbid.
Man, the Giants are stuck in the 80's and have somehow managed to appear in 3 and win 2 Super Bowls since the year 2000.
That's an interesting take.
The only guys that win with minimal athleticism Are the Watts and Bosas but they are pure technicians that understand the nuances of pass rushing.
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This entire franchise is stuck in the 80s.
Man, the Giants are stuck in the 80's and have somehow managed to appear in 3 and win 2 Super Bowls since the year 2000.
That's an interesting take.
And they’ve been passed by by the rest of the league. They’re a laughingstock of the league right now.
DG knows we need a pass rush and his picks of Xman and Carter were attempts to address that. And, I’ll again ask, are the Dallas and Philly DLs small? Fletcher Cox, Lawrence, Collins etc.? Nope. They’re just really good. We need more of that but can’t make up for 7 years of awful drafting I 2 of seasons, particularly when we needed to also land a QB of the future.
If Gettleman got the Jones pick right (so far looks good) and has Barkley to go with him...
The biggest mistake, I think, is hiring Shurmur. Looks like they got that hire wrong. If so, they need to give him the Omameh treatment and cut their losses.
I am concerned about the D, not much Gettleman has done right there yet, except for hanging on to JackRabbit. Then again, maybe coaching is part of the problem.
Hmm Hernandez, Zeitler and SB. Let's hand off to SB 4 times a game. WCO baby!
So your entire premise is bunk as far as line play goes. DG is correct. You build a roster from the inside out and in the great majority of cases you do it by acquiring big and athletic players.
Gettleman has been here two offseasons. I think his philosophy is correct, when you factor in Saquon's existence.
Our DL alone is going to be fine. We spent almost the entire draft on defense, with multiple corners drafted. Did people think these kids were all going to excel right away?
The OL is world's better than 18 months ago. We're shallow at WR, that's all. It's huge, yeah, but the entire offense has been revamped in fairly quick order.
Defense, yeah, we have no linebackers. Vernon collected half his salary on the injured reserve list.
Gettleman needs more time. Last year's draft panned out pretty well. He needs a couple more drafts to really turn this around. We were in cap hell, but that's all done after this season, right?
The only guy he let go last season that I was upset about was Snacks. We really could've used him.
That said, as I said before the draft, we are going to need about 6 or more premium picks on D. LBs, safeties and pass rushers.
I don't blame betcher, d backs and lb coaches maybe, but the kids need to play the system and if you don't tackle just sit.
We're still going through the growing pains
...our O-line blocked pretty well yesterday and our front 3 on defense played the run fairly well.
We have no speed at Edge and our LBer group as a whole is probably 32nd out of 32 NFL teams.
We need more pass rushing talent and more Safety talent. But that sort of implies speed.
Agree with this. We’re better up front on both sides, with bigger guys. We just really really suck at LB and S
I think they will add two or three during free agency we will have the cap space to do so.
When Jones steps in he will have a good offensive line and a premiere RB in Barkley .
Nobody is perfect in the draft and free agency but so far his drafts have been solid .
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I really can't grade him until the end of 2020. He was stuck with bad contracts, bad players, great players who hurt the team, and the most frustratingly stupid QB conundrum that I can even think of which seems to be completely dictated by his boss.
For those that don't like Gettelman or think he sucks, I really don't know what you want right now.