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Some good points made by Kim Jones on NFL Network

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 1:42 pm
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https://twitter.com/KimJonesSports/status/1171114145346990080 - ( New Window )
Where are they going to find a pass rush  
micky : 9/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
with this group?
1 pressure on 32 drop backs....  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 1:46 pm : link
3 picks in the first round and not one on an edge rusher.

Picking a space clogger at 17 instead of an edge rusher not looking to brilliant their morning.
On a side note...  
Chris684 : 9/9/2019 1:47 pm : link
Does she really have a pinned personal tweet for "the Odell Beckham" that she knows?

Journalism has gotten very strange these days.
Yup.  
George : 9/9/2019 1:48 pm : link
That's it in a nutshell.
Well we could have taken  
Chip : 9/9/2019 1:50 pm : link
Josh Allen and that would have helped but I am happy with Jones he will be the future and Edge Rushers will be what were looking for in free agency and the draft.
Kim Jones  
Junior22 : 9/9/2019 1:53 pm : link
Calls out 300 yards for Eli which were dump offs and vs prevent defense. She should have told America that eli had 105 yards on 19 passes in first half when it mattered
RE: Well we could have taken  
ZogZerg : 9/9/2019 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14568297 Chip said:
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Josh Allen and that would have helped but I am happy with Jones he will be the future and Edge Rushers will be what were looking for in free agency and the draft.


He didn't help the Jags;)
KJ tellin it like it is!  
NoPeanutz : 9/9/2019 1:54 pm : link
Actually felt therapeutic to hear.
RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
BillT : 9/9/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14568276 micky said:
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with this group?

That's a very fair question but remember the Boys OL is maybe a better pass blocking line than run blocking line(!) and I think they were often keeping in an extra blocker as well. They changed their stripes and went to a throw first offense and completely caught us off guard. Kudo's to them.
Josh Allen  
jacob12 : 9/9/2019 2:22 pm : link
Allen had a sack against the Chiefs. Josh lost the sack because of a penalty.
Listen I know this team isn't headed for the SB  
Stu11 : 9/9/2019 2:27 pm : link
and we don't have the personell that the '07 team had, but they did give up 70 points the first few weeks that year. Improvement is possible when the players get more familiar with the system and this level. I know Betcher was here last year and that was Spags' first year, but with so many new faces and rookies on that D it may as well be his first year here.
RE: RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/9/2019 2:27 pm : link
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with this group?


That's a very fair question but remember the Boys OL is maybe a better pass blocking line than run blocking line(!) and I think they were often keeping in an extra blocker as well. They changed their stripes and went to a throw first offense and completely caught us off guard. Kudo's to them.


I recall last year them going heavy pass in the opener. And yet without Zeke doing anything at all with the team during preseason we thought they’d be run dominant?
RE: RE: RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
ron mexico : 9/9/2019 2:28 pm : link
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with this group?


That's a very fair question but remember the Boys OL is maybe a better pass blocking line than run blocking line(!) and I think they were often keeping in an extra blocker as well. They changed their stripes and went to a throw first offense and completely caught us off guard. Kudo's to them.



I recall last year them going heavy pass in the opener. And yet without Zeke doing anything at all with the team during preseason we thought they’d be run dominant?


why bother running against us when its so easy to pass.

RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
Rflairr : 9/9/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14568276 micky said:
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with this group?


The GM knew all offseason he needed pass rushers. Especially since he traded the few he had.
RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
family progtitioner : 9/9/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14568276 micky said:
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with this group?


If they can't mount any type of pass rush this Sunday against a mediocre Bills pass blocking line, then we'll know it's going to be a LONG season with possibly season points against total records being broken.
I know the pass rush was bad yesterday,  
barens : 9/9/2019 2:45 pm : link
but I did see Prescott get knocked down a few times. One pressure out of 32 doesn't seem accurate.
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Simms11 : 9/9/2019 2:47 pm : link
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If they can't mount any type of pass rush this Sunday against a mediocre Bills pass blocking line, then we'll know it's going to be a LONG season with possibly season points against total records being broken.


Problem will be Allen's ability to scramble. That in and of itself will extend plays. We may be better off containing him and forcing him to pass. An area he doesn't excel as much in. Pass rush will have to be controlled this week and so we may not be able to see a better pass rush.
Zak had all day to pass  
since1925 : 9/9/2019 2:47 pm : link
All day.
They clearly want to go man and blitz and create pressure that way buy  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/9/2019 2:48 pm : link
Betcher just doesn't trust his dbacks at this point.
Jones glosses a major point from last season, we couldn't stop the run  
Torrag : 9/9/2019 2:51 pm : link
Job #1 for a defense is stop the run. Always has been, always will be. And no that is not antiquated football theory.

The one silver lining defensively yesterday was we did a nice job with our run defense. Jones conveniently leaves out of her narrative that we were terrible vs the run last year. It had to be improved and the Lawrence acquisition is designed to address that major flaw.

The other thing to hope for is with the youth at the DB position there will be both steady and significant improvement as we progress through the season. The concern is that despite it being year two and with experienced on-field play callers(ogletree and bethea) we had so many blown coverages which rendered the game unwinnable. I blame Betcher for this and it MUST be fixed.

Now let's bury the hyperbole and take a real look at where we are and what we still need to do:

1)the OL played well against a very good dallas defense. Our QB had decent protection and our running game was respectable. That wasn't the case last year.

2)Our run defense was solid. Which also wasn't the case last year...you build and win games from the inside out and that is where we've made the most progress.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Yesterday's loss reinforced that despite some fans overreaction to the pre-season(shocking, isn't it) that this is still a rebuilding year. Which most of BBI accepted anyway.
Zak who many clowns on here say he isn't all that good ect  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2019 2:56 pm : link
He took his time at the line and was able to change plays
many of the times , having the option to take off helps
he moves very well and is built like a RB he made a few
bad passes but generally on the money and hitting his
WR's in stride he has one of the best O-lines in football
and a rugged back in Zeke . They kept Jack rabbit chasing
and were able to have favorable matchups and made it look easy
Dallas has speed all over the place .
They were out manned and seriously out coached .
RE: RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
gmenatlarge : 9/9/2019 3:32 pm : link
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The GM knew all offseason he needed pass rushers. Especially since he traded the few he had.


I remember having a lengthy discusssion with several BBIers telling me how DG fixed the pass rush by his brilliant draft of CBs.
You can't fix this  
Joey in VA : 9/9/2019 3:41 pm : link
Mess in two offseasons. We added people to run the ball and stop the run and sort of rebuilt the OL. This team was terrible with terrible big mouths and a rotten locker room. There is a TON of youth on defense, it will take time to fix.

Think about something Eric has hit on before, swinging and missing on two top ten picks two years in a row will set you back badly. Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were supposed to be cornerstones given where selected and they are both fringe starters on other teams. We have simply whiffed too often, so DG dumped the garbage and this is essentially year one of the rebuild. It's just that simple, it's going to be ugly, it's going to suck but it's not fixable this fast.
Any fan with a pulse  
justafan : 9/9/2019 3:53 pm : link
could've made that assessment. No need to bring "nextgen" stats into it, oldgen stats would've covered that fine.
RE: RE: RE: Where are they going to find a pass rush  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14568594 gmenatlarge said:
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I remember having a lengthy discusssion with several BBIers telling me how DG fixed the pass rush by his brilliant draft of CBs.


"Man, I just love what DG is doing! This team is so easy to root for!"
RE: Jones glosses a major point from last season, we couldn't stop the run  
BillKo : 9/9/2019 3:57 pm : link
In comment 14568482 Torrag said:
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Job #1 for a defense is stop the run. Always has been, always will be. And no that is not antiquated football theory.

The one silver lining defensively yesterday was we did a nice job with our run defense. Jones conveniently leaves out of her narrative that we were terrible vs the run last year. It had to be improved and the Lawrence acquisition is designed to address that major flaw.

The other thing to hope for is with the youth at the DB position there will be both steady and significant improvement as we progress through the season. The concern is that despite it being year two and with experienced on-field play callers(ogletree and bethea) we had so many blown coverages which rendered the game unwinnable. I blame Betcher for this and it MUST be fixed.

Now let's bury the hyperbole and take a real look at where we are and what we still need to do:

1)the OL played well against a very good dallas defense. Our QB had decent protection and our running game was respectable. That wasn't the case last year.

2)Our run defense was solid. Which also wasn't the case last year...you build and win games from the inside out and that is where we've made the most progress.

Rome wasn't built in a day. Yesterday's loss reinforced that despite some fans overreaction to the pre-season(shocking, isn't it) that this is still a rebuilding year. Which most of BBI accepted anyway.


Good post. However, not sure I blame Betcher for the gaffs, but it's up to him to make this work based on what he saw Sunday. Make the adjustment.

I hope to see improvement Sunday.
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Justlurking : 9/9/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14568668 Greg from LI said:
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I remember having a lengthy discusssion with several BBIers telling me how DG fixed the pass rush by his brilliant draft of CBs.



"Man, I just love what DG is doing! This team is so easy to root for!"


"Changed the culture!"
RE: You can't fix this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14568627 Joey in VA said:
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Mess in two offseasons. We added people to run the ball and stop the run and sort of rebuilt the OL. This team was terrible with terrible big mouths and a rotten locker room. There is a TON of youth on defense, it will take time to fix.

Think about something Eric has hit on before, swinging and missing on two top ten picks two years in a row will set you back badly. Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were supposed to be cornerstones given where selected and they are both fringe starters on other teams. We have simply whiffed too often, so DG dumped the garbage and this is essentially year one of the rebuild. It's just that simple, it's going to be ugly, it's going to suck but it's not fixable this fast.


Yup. It still sucks however. I am sooooooo tired of getting the crap beat out of us on opening day.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14568668 Greg from LI said:
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"Man, I just love what DG is doing! This team is so easy to root for!"


Yeah, that's a cherry comment from preseason. So easy to root for!
Our run defense looked solid...  
Gmen703 : 9/9/2019 4:35 pm : link
Because the opponents were too busy passing all over us.
RE: RE: You can't fix this  
Reb8thVA : 9/9/2019 4:40 pm : link
In comment 14568689 Eric from BBI said:
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Mess in two offseasons. We added people to run the ball and stop the run and sort of rebuilt the OL. This team was terrible with terrible big mouths and a rotten locker room. There is a TON of youth on defense, it will take time to fix.

Think about something Eric has hit on before, swinging and missing on two top ten picks two years in a row will set you back badly. Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were supposed to be cornerstones given where selected and they are both fringe starters on other teams. We have simply whiffed too often, so DG dumped the garbage and this is essentially year one of the rebuild. It's just that simple, it's going to be ugly, it's going to suck but it's not fixable this fast.



Yup. It still sucks however. I am sooooooo tired of getting the crap beat out of us on opening day.


You could have ended your post at the word “us.”
RE: You can't fix this  
jcn56 : 9/9/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14568627 Joey in VA said:
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Mess in two offseasons. We added people to run the ball and stop the run and sort of rebuilt the OL. This team was terrible with terrible big mouths and a rotten locker room. There is a TON of youth on defense, it will take time to fix.

Think about something Eric has hit on before, swinging and missing on two top ten picks two years in a row will set you back badly. Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers were supposed to be cornerstones given where selected and they are both fringe starters on other teams. We have simply whiffed too often, so DG dumped the garbage and this is essentially year one of the rebuild. It's just that simple, it's going to be ugly, it's going to suck but it's not fixable this fast.


No, you can't fix a mess in 2 seasons. Of course, that team was 1 season removed from a playoff campaign but let's put that aside. The decision was made to blow it up.

What you can do in 2 seasons, in an NFL that's parity based and favors roster transition, is improve. Have the Giants improved? Are they any better off than they were 2 years ago? Too soon to tell, but one game in it sure didn't look like it.
Nice, Kim.  
Tim in JTown : 9/9/2019 5:47 pm : link
I don't feel we lack talent but we certainly lack experience.

These young kids need to be coached up. I have zero faith in this coaching staff's ability to identify problems and correct them during a game, or even between games. They have yet to prove they can do that.

Does anyone think these coaches can right the ship? Were there any recognizable adjustments that they made during the game to put us in a better position or generate more of a pass rush? If there were, they certainly didn't help.
RE: Zak had all day to pass  
liteamorn : 9/9/2019 5:53 pm : link
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All day.


I was saying all day, they won't even have to wash his Jersey after this game.
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christian : 9/9/2019 6:43 pm : link
Gettleman might not have done well fixing it, but the pass coverage sucked more last year than the pass rush. One was eh, one was awful.

Now both some how sucking in tandem is a hell of an accomplishment with 3 top 30 picks this year and 4 top 70 picks last year.

And can we cool the overheated praise for Gettleman's drafts  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:48 pm : link
Until someone besides Barkley truly stands out? Some of them have shown some promise like Hernandez, but most of these guys have an awful lot to prove.
RE: And can we cool the overheated praise for Gettleman's drafts  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 10:13 pm : link
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Until someone besides Barkley truly stands out? Some of them have shown some promise like Hernandez, but most of these guys have an awful lot to prove.


Seriously. 90% of this board declared this a great draft before any of these guys had ever even played in a real game.
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section125 : 9/9/2019 10:20 pm : link
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The GM knew all offseason he needed pass rushers. Especially since he traded the few he had.


Zeitler for OV was a steal. OV the most overrated ER/OLB/DE on BBI - he sucked...
No who was the other one or two they had that he traded?
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jcn56 : 9/9/2019 10:49 pm : link
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The GM knew all offseason he needed pass rushers. Especially since he traded the few he had.



Zeitler for OV was a steal. OV the most overrated ER/OLB/DE on BBI - he sucked...
No who was the other one or two they had that he traded?


JPP was traded, Kennard he let walk. Shit, even Okwara would be an upgrade for most of their current edge rushers.

Shipping them off? Fine. Not replacing them with credible pass rushers was the problem. If not all of them, at least *one*.

Can't run around saying you win the game at the LOS, and then forget that doesn't just mean offensive linemen. This was the team that used to say 'you can't have enough pass rushers' - and won 2 SBs on that principle.
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christian : 9/9/2019 11:14 pm : link
The Giants don't have a single edge rusher as good as Kennard, Vernon, JPP, and maybe even Okwara.

You have to believe Bettcher's plan is to generate pressure from the line and from blitzing from the secondary.

They must get considerably more pressure from the down lineman, just must. There is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick on that line.
RE: And can we cool the overheated praise for Gettleman's drafts  
santacruzom : 9/10/2019 12:24 am : link
In comment 14569153 Greg from LI said:
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Until someone besides Barkley truly stands out? Some of them have shown some promise like Hernandez, but most of these guys have an awful lot to prove.


There definitely is this odd assumption that players like Hill and Carter are guaranteed to become studs.
RE: RE: And can we cool the overheated praise for Gettleman's drafts  
HomerJones45 : 9/10/2019 12:37 am : link
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Until someone besides Barkley truly stands out? Some of them have shown some promise like Hernandez, but most of these guys have an awful lot to prove.



There definitely is this odd assumption that players like Hill and Carter are guaranteed to become studs.
Yes, there are quite a few posters, including some on this thread, gushing praise and expressing complete satisfaction with the drafts, the personnel changeover and the glorious new culture who were just doused with the ice cold water of reality.
RE: Listen I know this team isn't headed for the SB  
ZoneXDOA : 9/10/2019 6:10 am : link
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and we don't have the personell that the '07 team had, but they did give up 70 points the first few weeks that year. Improvement is possible when the players get more familiar with the system and this level. I know Betcher was here last year and that was Spags' first year, but with so many new faces and rookies on that D it may as well be his first year here.


THANK YOU!! Been saying this to all the negative minded peeps. Couple all that with the fact that these same kids were tasked with stopping the likes of Elliot, Cooper, Cobb, Gallup, Dak, getting through that OL, even Witten... all upper level guys/pro bowlers. It was a hell of a first night. Experience should help over the next couple weeks.
I simply don't get the burn our awful backup DBs got  
BlueLou'sBack : 9/10/2019 6:30 am : link
(Mike Thomas, Antonio Hamilton) over our kids - Love and Ballentine - who we drafted and who looked good, mostly, in pre-season.

When did the scrub also ran vet STers become DB starters? Who the fuck made that decision?

If your pass D is gonna suck to record levels of incompetence, let it do so with promising rookies that might, eventually, play well.
I expected a slightly better pass rush but...  
EricJ : 9/10/2019 7:10 am : link
Nothing else about the game surprised me. Not sure what everyone else was expecting but we were one of the worst teams in the NFL last year. Are you all really this surprised?
RE: RE: Listen I know this team isn't headed for the SB  
gmenatlarge : 9/10/2019 12:20 pm : link
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and we don't have the personell that the '07 team had, but they did give up 70 points the first few weeks that year. Improvement is possible when the players get more familiar with the system and this level. I know Betcher was here last year and that was Spags' first year, but with so many new faces and rookies on that D it may as well be his first year here.



THANK YOU!! Been saying this to all the negative minded peeps. Couple all that with the fact that these same kids were tasked with stopping the likes of Elliot, Cooper, Cobb, Gallup, Dak, getting through that OL, even Witten... all upper level guys/pro bowlers. It was a hell of a first night. Experience should help over the next couple weeks.


I don't think anyone was expecting the giants to shut down the cowboys but could you at least get in the way a little bit?...
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