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Zeitler for Vernon

BillyM : 9/9/2019 2:02 pm
One thing that I believe, over time, will work in our favor is Zeitler for Vernon.

In Zeitler I feel like we have the type of guard that can contend for a pro bowl spot in the coming years. His work ethic, equally, is second to none in the locker room.

Whereas Vernon, in my mind, is on the decline of his career due to injuries. He didn't have as much as a tackle yesterday; and god knows the Browns missed Z's blocking. Sure, when healthy Vernon will get some sacks, and god knows we need them.

But overall, gun to head and even after yesterday's debacle on defense, I'd still take Zeitler over Vernon.
Kind of wish  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 2:03 pm : link
we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.
What's with Zeitler's bouncing  
ImThatGuy : 9/9/2019 2:05 pm : link
It seemed that as he was getting set he was like bouncing a bit or something. Not sure if others saw it. I thought they were going to call a false start every time
RE: Kind of wish  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14568340 Eric from BBI said:
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we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.


100 of Barkleys 120 rushing yards were to the left (at least that's what I read - no idea if Zeitler pulled at all though)
RE: What's with Zeitler's bouncing  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14568344 ImThatGuy said:
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It seemed that as he was getting set he was like bouncing a bit or something. Not sure if others saw it. I thought they were going to call a false start every time


I saw it too, and yeah I kept thinking it was a false start. He wasn't getting set before doing it, though, which I think is why it wasn't.

No idea what it was all about, though.
It was a bit of a steal  
BillT : 9/9/2019 2:07 pm : link
That with the OBJ trade and we can thank Cleveland for a jump start for our rebuilding.
If I didn't feel totally discouraged  
Pep22 : 9/9/2019 2:08 pm : link
and pessimistic about all things NYG, I would agree 100% with the OP.
RE: What's with Zeitler's bouncing  
BillT : 9/9/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14568344 ImThatGuy said:
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It seemed that as he was getting set he was like bouncing a bit or something. Not sure if others saw it. I thought they were going to call a false start every time

Someone here explained it last week. They use Zeitler to check back with the QB for his calls instead of the center doing it. We're not the only team doing that.
I really donít understand  
big_blue : 9/9/2019 2:09 pm : link
Why we didnít run the ball more with Barkley. As stated the reason why we didnít take any shots down the field in the game was because they were playing two deep. Wouldnít it make sense to run the football with the best back in the league to change that and have a safety come down in the box and play action?

Itís very frustrating to see us try to shoehorn something we know isnít going to work.
Raanan mentioned this after one of the preseason games  
Saos1n : 9/9/2019 2:10 pm : link
He talked to KZ about it after practice one day and Zeitler said itís a habit that heís been doing since high school, I believe. No concern over it since he hasnít set yet, so no penalty would be enforced. Just a twitch motion before the play. Similar to Eliís shoulder shrug
Zeitler bouncing  
armstead98 : 9/9/2019 2:10 pm : link
Shurmur addressed this during the preseason. I think it's something Zeitler does to get ready, they checked with officials and it's fine.

Shurmer said something like, "It's a bit weird and took a little getting used to, but now it's normal."
The OL played well yesterday  
Matt in SGS : 9/9/2019 2:11 pm : link
something that can't be said for games in Dallas at all very recently.
RE: Zeitler bouncing  
BillT : 9/9/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14568367 armstead98 said:
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Shurmur addressed this during the preseason. I think it's something Zeitler does to get ready, they checked with officials and it's fine.

Shurmer said something like, "It's a bit weird and took a little getting used to, but now it's normal."

If that's true I stand corrected.
RE: Kind of wish  
M.S. : 9/9/2019 2:13 pm : link
In comment 14568340 Eric from BBI said:
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we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.

S.H.U.R.M.E.R.
Zeitler for Vernon is fine.  
mikeinbloomfield : 9/9/2019 2:13 pm : link
Zeitler for Vernon without replacing Vernon's pass rushing production (such as it was) is not so fine. Unless Golden, or Martin, or Ximenes becomes a pass rusher, we've just traded one problem for another.
RE: Kind of wish  
Biteymax22 : 9/9/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14568340 Eric from BBI said:
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we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.


Can be simply "wish we saw more of Barkley running..."
RE: Kind of wish  
Thegratefulhead : 9/9/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14568340 Eric from BBI said:
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we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.
I WAS SCREAMING AT MY TV.

RUN BARKLEY!

MY HEAD ALMOST EXPLODED ON 3RD AND 4TH DOWN...

I do not care how many were in the box.

Run on first down.

Run on second down.

On 3rd and short, that checkdown might just work :)

If on first and second Dallas proves we can't run, then stop. We never even tried to dominate them with the strength of our team.

I WANTED TO HAMMER THEM BETWEEN THE TACKLES.

I am fucking exasperated over the game plan.

We built a smashmouth football team and chose to play patty cake. What the actual fuck?
RE: RE: What's with Zeitler's bouncing  
Johnny5 : 9/9/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14568358 BillT said:
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In comment 14568344 ImThatGuy said:


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It seemed that as he was getting set he was like bouncing a bit or something. Not sure if others saw it. I thought they were going to call a false start every time


Someone here explained it last week. They use Zeitler to check back with the QB for his calls instead of the center doing it. We're not the only team doing that.

This. He has done it at every stop, and the Giants adopted it.
I like the Zeitler trade  
RollBlue : 9/9/2019 2:22 pm : link
OBJ not so much, we should have gotten more or said no. We got Lawrence (jury is still out), Peppers (avg Safety, maybe) and the X man, jury still out but has shown some pass rush ability. Not sure that trade has advanced the progress of the team.
DG built  
Thegratefulhead : 9/9/2019 2:23 pm : link
A Coughlin team, we aren't playing Coughlin football with it.
Vernon  
Andy in Boston : 9/9/2019 2:25 pm : link
didn't even make the box score yesterday for Cleveland.
I love the addition of Zeitler...  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 2:26 pm : link
but here is the real question: what's harder to find, a quality ER or a quality guard?

RE: I like the Zeitler trade  
BillyM : 9/9/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14568398 RollBlue said:
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OBJ not so much, we should have gotten more or said no. We got Lawrence (jury is still out), Peppers (avg Safety, maybe) and the X man, jury still out but has shown some pass rush ability. Not sure that trade has advanced the progress of the team.


and with the trade a lot of cap money coming back to us next year. Obviously not this year. You cannot overlook we were paying OBJ big big money
RE: I love the addition of Zeitler...  
BillyM : 9/9/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14568410 Tesla said:
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but here is the real question: what's harder to find, a quality ER or a quality guard?


define quality Edge Rusher? Do we think Vernon will be a quality edge rusher for the next 3-5 years?
RE: Kind of wish  
Scyber : 9/9/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14568340 Eric from BBI said:
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we saw more of Barkley running behind Zeitler yesterday.


Kind of wish we saw more of Barkley running.


FTFY
RE: Vernon  
Toth029 : 9/9/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14568404 Andy in Boston said:
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didn't even make the box score yesterday for Cleveland.

Consistency was never his strong suit.
Problem with Vernon  
Samiam : 9/9/2019 3:05 pm : link
His problem was injury and aside from the games he missed, he played hurt often which must have reduced his effectiveness. He would put pressure on the QB but not get a sack. But putting pressure is a lot better than what we had yesterday. I like Zeitler; his contribution aside from on the field effectiveness is the work and culture he brings to the team.

The question I have is though it is much harder to find a pass rusher than it is to find an interior lineman. You can get a good guard in the draft way easier than a pass rusher. Weíll see how DG finds Vernonís replacement. Hopefully X man will help but heíll need time. Maybe the same for Carter
Think like last year, this team gets better week by week.  
TMS : 9/9/2019 3:20 pm : link
Remember a lot of new faces again this tear but they have energy and spirit. keep the faith or fuck off.
RE: Vernon  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14568404 Andy in Boston said:
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didn't even make the box score yesterday for Cleveland.


Neither did Josh Allen

RE: RE: Vernon  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 3:32 pm : link
In comment 14568575 Bluesbreaker said:
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In comment 14568404 Andy in Boston said:


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didn't even make the box score yesterday for Cleveland.



Neither did Josh Allen

Ximines had more production. Nice to see him set the edge.
RE: It was a bit of a steal  
santacruzom : 9/9/2019 3:35 pm : link
In comment 14568353 BillT said:
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That with the OBJ trade and we can thank Cleveland for a jump start for our rebuilding.


I hope we can declare victory with the OBJ trade but it's premature at this point.
I think Zeitler's better at what he does than Vernon  
Ira : 9/9/2019 3:36 pm : link
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Vernon actually made the Pro Bowl last year as sub for injured player  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/10/2019 2:09 am : link
Other players seem to see more to him than we did. They say his sack numbers not great, but he has a lot of quarterback hits. Did anyone ever notice him getting a lot of hits?

After missing the first five games with an ankle injury suffered in practice during the preseason, Vernon started each of the final 11 games. He finished with a team-high 7.0 sacks, including 2.5 in the season finale vs. Dallas. It was the second time in his three Giants seasons he led the team in sacks.

Vernon finished the season with 30 tackles (23 solo), 21 quarterback hits (more than double the total of any teammate), five tackles for losses, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery, and one pass defensed.
It wasn't Vernon for Zietler  
Prude : 9/10/2019 7:41 am : link
It was Vernon and OBJ for Zeitler, Peppers, and the picks. None of those trades happen without the others. I am not sure if that is better or worse but that's how things went down. The specifics were just paperwork. We didn't 'do good on the Zietler trade' and 'get robbed on the OBJ TRADE'. It was a mega-deal and should be viewed in that prism.
I had high hopes for OV  
section125 : 9/10/2019 8:34 am : link
when he came. It was a let down. Constantly injured and always just a step late.
Zeitler solidifies the line and at least they may have a chance to keep the QB upright and make some holes for Barkley.

FWIW, after reading Sy's game report, it seems that the FO was right on Halapio. Seems he absolutely dominated the LoS. So with Hernandez and Zeitler maybe Eli will have a pocket to step into instead of running from.
RE: It wasn't Vernon for Zietler  
Tesla : 9/10/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14569776 Prude said:
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It was Vernon and OBJ for Zeitler, Peppers, and the picks. None of those trades happen without the others. I am not sure if that is better or worse but that's how things went down. The specifics were just paperwork. We didn't 'do good on the Zietler trade' and 'get robbed on the OBJ TRADE'. It was a mega-deal and should be viewed in that prism.


100% wrong. Do some research before you post something so clearly wrong. The OV - Zeitler trade was done days before the OBJ trade, but since the paperwork hadn't been submitted yet they decided to write it up as one trade.
RE: RE: It wasn't Vernon for Zietler  
Now Mike in MD : 9/10/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14569952 Tesla said:
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In comment 14569776 Prude said:


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It was Vernon and OBJ for Zeitler, Peppers, and the picks. None of those trades happen without the others. I am not sure if that is better or worse but that's how things went down. The specifics were just paperwork. We didn't 'do good on the Zietler trade' and 'get robbed on the OBJ TRADE'. It was a mega-deal and should be viewed in that prism.



100% wrong. Do some research before you post something so clearly wrong. The OV - Zeitler trade was done days before the OBJ trade, but since the paperwork hadn't been submitted yet they decided to write it up as one trade.


While the timing is correct, there were multiple reports that the two trades were tied together. So the post was correct
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