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What were your preliminary impressions of Jabrill Peppers?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 3:37 pm
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Why  
Jon in NYC : 9/9/2019 4:02 pm : link
isn't he playing the money linebacker spot?
It was brought up  
ajr2456 : 9/9/2019 4:02 pm : link
When the trade happened that Peppers wasnít that much better than Collins and it was ridiculed. The flaws he had in Cleveland were evident yesterday.

Itís one game, letís see how he rebounds.
RE: RE: All I remember was that  
Section331 : 9/9/2019 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14568675 Darth Paul said:
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If Eli was better, they would have been better. They only see check downs in practice. Need reps against a good QB....s/o


Give me a fucking break, so now the defense sucking is Eli's fault too?
Everyone sucked. Can't pick on him exclusively  
David B. : 9/9/2019 4:11 pm : link
Landon Collins looked like that a lot last year, too. His lack of coverage ability is why he's not on the team anymore.

Desan Jackson is going to resume killing the Giants twice a year.
Well he did have 6 tackles and an assist  
Simms11 : 9/9/2019 4:26 pm : link
so he was active, however I can't recall where he made those tackles. I don't recall any special play from him at all.
Read an article on Peppers'  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/9/2019 4:28 pm : link
last season. He was considered a bust after his rookie season. He was resurrected in his 2nd year when they moved him up close to the LOS and had him run down the ball and make plays.

Against the Broncos, in nine pass rushing attempts he had four pressures including a game-ending sack. So let's make him a full time pass rusher. Invent a new position, an "outside the edge" rusher.

Collins says he and others were let go because they were too vocal and critical of the coaches. Is anyone still twisted enough to think that Collins was just an average player. The people who voted him to three Pro Bowls and awarded him 1st team All Pro must have been really stupid then.

Everyone says that the clubhouse is a lot more united and positive this year. Great news?

Collins victim of - ( New Window )
RE: Everyone sucked. Can't pick on him exclusively  
mdc1 : 9/9/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14568720 David B. said:
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Landon Collins looked like that a lot last year, too. His lack of coverage ability is why he's not on the team anymore.

Desan Jackson is going to resume killing the Giants twice a year.


it won't sink in until our division opponents make use look bad. Jackson is circling the scheduling as is Collins.
Until??  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 4:32 pm : link
A divisional rival has already made them look awful.
Only time I noticed him was when he was back to  
TheMick7 : 9/9/2019 4:35 pm : link
return a punt. I noticed his absence with all of the catches made over the middle!
Missed the game at work  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
But my impression has been that Pepper's is unwilling or unable to run with slash redirect a receiver up the seam even a TE. Maybe he chooses to play the run to excuse himself from something he cannot do .

Carter, on the other hand, had a pass defensed vs a TE? I always said Carter's value might be as a tall heavy strong safety rather than a line player.
If he's the best  
adambear : 9/9/2019 4:52 pm : link
player on our defense, we have a huge problem.
Saw him  
XBRONX : 9/9/2019 4:57 pm : link
on a milk container this morning.
Still missing that ballhawk free safety  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 5:01 pm : link
After 40 years. Literally.
All offseason I heard  
MtDizzle : 9/9/2019 5:03 pm : link
how he was much better than LC in coverage. Didnít look like it at all to me. Jurys still out.
Anyone else starting to wonder if Collins and the others were right?  
ron mexico : 9/9/2019 5:07 pm : link
Collins says he and others were let go because they were too vocal and critical of the coaches.
RE: I really think  
LIbud : 9/9/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14568650 Joey in VA said:
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Bettcher got caught with his giant pants down. Kellen Moore did the smart thing, he watched tape of last year and simply threw it all over the field until we stopped it. I'm assuming Bettcher was all about slowing down Zeke and he had to go to man to do it, which Dak sniffed out repeatedly and made us pay for. His defense is supposed to be flexible with the $ backer but when that guy is Tae Davis, you are forked.

Peppers is no more culpable than anyone else, they all sucked so rating his play after that blood bath isn't really worth it.


This is spot on. The missed assignments in the middle of the field are one thing, but Bethea being lined up on Cooper in the slot and getting torched and Thomas biting on the play fake on Witten's TD are seemingly a result of coaching and playing man to address the run threat. I say Betch and the HC have more to learn from this tape than many of the players.
Zak made adjustments at the line of scrimmage .  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2019 5:15 pm : link
He seemed to know all the keys and like one said earlier
they threw the ball everywhere had people in motion
pre-snap reads Zak knew exactly where to attack
we had no answers Dallas knew exctly how to attack us
They went away from Jack Rabbit attacked Hamilton Haley
and Baker went to the TE's who we still can't match up
with . I hope Peppers improves and Love Baker and even
Ballentine ascend . I think we will get better but we still
have the issue with TE's . I think Baker improve each week
he is still a bit behind with the knee injury but by seasons end he will show he belongs .
defensive backs not notice in a game is .....  
BCD : 9/9/2019 5:20 pm : link
good thing.....note: see hamilton
We don't have a legit 11 on D  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 5:20 pm : link
You need safeties and lbs that can defend the pass in today's NFL and we don't have them. Simply put.

Maybe ballentine, who has the speed and size to run with a TE, can take Pepper's spot, who can replace an ilb.

Or Carter even.

RE: Anyone else starting to wonder if Collins and the others were right?  
Eman11 : 9/9/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14568876 ron mexico said:
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Collins says he and others were let go because they were too vocal and critical of the coaches.


No I'm not wondering that at all. I think Collins was let go because they didn't think he was worth the money he was asking for.

I watched the whole Skins/Eagles game yesterday and he was practically invisible. I saw him make one nice tackle on the goal line where he crashed down from the edge. One he made a lot as a Giant, but I also didn't see him anywhere to be found on Jackson's two 50yd td receptions and we also saw him nowhere to be found like that as well when he was here.

I think the Giants were right about LC, not being worth that kind of money and it reamains to be seen if Peppers is an upgrade. Based on watching yesterday I'd say it's a push, but give the Giants an edge based on the cap $ saved.
We have starters on defense  
Marty866b : 9/9/2019 5:24 pm : link
That may have been cut by other teams. This roster on defense is incredibly bad. Falls at the feet of the GM.
RE: RE: RE: All I remember was that  
Darth Paul : 9/9/2019 5:26 pm : link
In comment 14568719 Section331 said:
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If Eli was better, they would have been better. They only see check downs in practice. Need reps against a good QB....s/o



Give me a fucking break, so now the defense sucking is Eli's fault too?


You missed my sarcasm.
Last year I said this regarding today's nfl  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 5:33 pm : link
The defensive 11:

Either a) be able to legit rush the passer, not just blitz, but play on the line vs an OL and have a legit chance at a sack.

Or b) have actual pass defense ability, not just positional savvy, but the speed and athleticism also.

Or don't be on the 11.

Both...rare obviously that's great, but one or the other or don't have on the roster.

Our current roster doesn't reflect that thinking.
It's what can be expected of him  
larryflower37 : 9/9/2019 5:35 pm : link
Browns reached on him in the draft he never had a true position and they dumped him on us.
He is a great athlete but gets burnt on double moves and play action.
He is not developing fast enough and might not be more than a punt returner
Disappointing.  
St. Jimmy : 9/9/2019 5:37 pm : link
The whole secondary was a mess.
RE: It was brought up  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14568695 ajr2456 said:
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When the trade happened that Peppers wasnít that much better than Collins and it was ridiculed. The flaws he had in Cleveland were evident yesterday.

Itís one game, letís see how he rebounds.


"wasn't that much better"?

Pretty sure Collins is better than Peppers, even the bad Collins.
When speedy tall lb Carter was drafted  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 5:49 pm : link
I thought, maybe this player can do the as described by Carl banks, redirect and run w tight ends up the seam, thing.

Peppers won't or can't .

RE: RE: It was brought up  
larryflower37 : 9/9/2019 5:54 pm : link
In comment 14568973 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14568695 ajr2456 said:


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When the trade happened that Peppers wasnít that much better than Collins and it was ridiculed. The flaws he had in Cleveland were evident yesterday.

Itís one game, letís see how he rebounds.



"wasn't that much better"?

Pretty sure Collins is better than Peppers, even the bad Collins.

Collins was at least intimating and made big plays
Yes he was a liability in coverage but he showed at times he could take over a game.
Washington over paid for him but he will have a better career than Peppers.
I was like  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 5:54 pm : link
If Carter has the makings of an extra tall strong safety, why fuck with that trying to turn him into a 4-3 DE type?

Draft the edge rushers.
I was like  
idiotsavant : 9/9/2019 6:08 pm : link
If Carter has the makings of an extra tall strong safety, why fuck with that trying to turn him into a 4-3 DE type?

Draft the edge rushers.
He was a disappointment in Cleveland  
HomerJones45 : 9/9/2019 6:10 pm : link
and they were taking him out on passing downs. I suppose the good news is that he was a replacement level player for Collins.
...  
christian : 9/9/2019 6:15 pm : link
I keep going back to Collins's radio interview after the season, and his very strong insinuation his perceived coverage issues were the result of him chasing down other people's guys.

Now I get the guy has a lot of hurt feelings, and he's no Revis Island in coverage, but seems like coverage sucks in Bettcher's defense.

Webb, Riley, Collins, and Jenkins were are bad in coverage last year. You switch most of the characters and you get worse? Woof.
Browns really down on Peppers after rookie season but really high on  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/9/2019 6:34 pm : link
him after last season (although not so high on him that they werenít willing to give him up). I donít know why people would think he was good in coverage since he didnít play well until they moved him up close to the line, as Collins was best. Collins was a good blitzer, and so was Peppers last season after they started using him in that way.

Also saw Cleveland people saying that he was a tweener. Too small for a linebacker and too big for a free safety. So they cut him loose and had him head for the ball and make plays. He seems a lot like Collins without the three Pro Bowls. But this is the wrong time to evaluate Collins. Weíll wait until we see how he plays for Redskins and especially how he plays against us.
RE: RE: It was brought up  
ajr2456 : 9/9/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14568973 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14568695 ajr2456 said:


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When the trade happened that Peppers wasnít that much better than Collins and it was ridiculed. The flaws he had in Cleveland were evident yesterday.

Itís one game, letís see how he rebounds.



"wasn't that much better"?

Pretty sure Collins is better than Peppers, even the bad Collins.


There was a faction on here that thought Peppers would be better
RE: RE: RE: It was brought up  
ron mexico : 9/9/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14569204 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14568695 ajr2456 said:


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When the trade happened that Peppers wasnít that much better than Collins and it was ridiculed. The flaws he had in Cleveland were evident yesterday.

Itís one game, letís see how he rebounds.



"wasn't that much better"?

Pretty sure Collins is better than Peppers, even the bad Collins.



There was a faction on here that thought Peppers would be better


Faction?

Seemed like the majority position to me
It's week 1  
armstead98 : 9/9/2019 7:59 pm : link
And our rookie DBs were terrible. I'm not writing Peppers off just yet
I'm not writing off Peppers  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 8:14 pm : link
I just think if people are expecting "much better than Landon Collins" they will be disappointed.

Collins was inconsistent, but in 2016 he had a legit shot at DPOY. He finished 3rd in the voting behind only Mack and Miller - ahead of players like Donald and Berry. I wouldn't be surprised if Peppers never makes a pro-bowl (even if he does turn into a good player).

RE: It's week 1  
Giantz_comeback : 9/9/2019 8:30 pm : link
In comment 14569294 armstead98 said:
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And our rookie DBs were terrible. I'm not writing Peppers off just yet


They are young and faced a very good team week 1. If we play this bad defensively the next 3 weeks vs. Buf Tampa and Wash I would be quite a bit more concerned.
Blaming the DBs is looking in the wrong place  
since1925 : 9/9/2019 9:56 pm : link
No DB could perform well when the pass rush is non-existent and the QB can just wait until they come open.
We got torched  
George : 9/9/2019 10:00 pm : link
for 900 yards in the air and lost by many, many points.

Our Strong Safety could not stop the assault; but the Strong Safety is the least of our secondary problems right now, friends. We have untested players in key positions, no pass rush, and linebackers who can neither cover nor tackle. Worst of all, these flaws were evident before training camp began and appear not to have been addressed.

Is there a nucleus for this defense? Maybe. But that nucleus revolves around the three guys on the DL who stuff the run, and maybe Carter and/or Oshane: there's little behind them or around them to get excited about down the line.

We're in full-blown rebuilding mode, folks, and in direct competition with Miami for the worst team in football.
Like bw and a few others said  
Matt M. : 9/10/2019 6:21 am : link
After one dismal game by the entire D, it is very hard to determine if his play was bad or if there is a problem with the system, coaching, etc. For example, for me, his biggest flaw was biting on every play fake. But every DBand LB seemed to be guilty of the same. That sounds like poor coaching and/or a systemic problem.
No  
PaulN : 9/10/2019 9:04 am : link
Pass rush and poor coverage in the secondary is a recipe for a horrible defense in todays NFL.
how about he's 23 years old  
Rory : 9/10/2019 10:46 am : link
essentially a rookie and learning a new defensive scheme with not alot of veteran help.

Check back in 5 weeks.
RE: how about he's 23 years old  
Greg from LI : 9/10/2019 10:55 am : link
In comment 14570070 Rory said:
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essentially a rookie.


What? He's a third year pro - in what way is he "essentially a rookie"??
RE: how about he's 23 years old  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14570070 Rory said:
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essentially a rookie and learning a new defensive scheme with not alot of veteran help.

Check back in 5 weeks.


Not a lot of veteran help? Antoine Bethea is a 13 year vet, and Mike Thomas is a 7 year vet.

And he's not a rookie either. It's year 3.
Apparently a lot of BBI has a problem with time  
jcn56 : 9/10/2019 1:51 pm : link
rebuilds should take 5 years, a 3rd year player is a rookie.

Shit, by that logic Eli should have another good 20 years in him.
RE: RE: how about he's 23 years old  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14570086 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14570070 Rory said:


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essentially a rookie.



What? He's a third year pro - in what way is he "essentially a rookie"??


Sort of like how a late 1st round pick is "basically a second" when you want to make it seem worse, but an early 1st is never "basically a 1st". Never understood that logic.
RE: RE: RE: how about he's 23 years old  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 1:53 pm : link
In comment 14570436 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14570070 Rory said:


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essentially a rookie.



What? He's a third year pro - in what way is he "essentially a rookie"??



Sort of like how a late 1st round pick is "basically a second" when you want to make it seem worse, but an early 1st is never "basically a 1st". Never understood that logic.


should say:

but an early 2nd is never "basically a 1st"
Hard to gauge his actual role yet  
JonC : 9/10/2019 1:57 pm : link
since the scheme typically doesn't deploy a traditional SS (which Collins very much was) in terms of responsibilities.

Bethea and Hamilton were really bad, most of the back seven was bad, including Peppers, for this one game.
Michigan Man  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 1:58 pm : link
Flawless gameplay. No complaints.
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