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September 9, 2019 Pat Shurmur Conference Call

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 4:29 pm
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September 9, 2019 Pat Shurmur Conference Call - ( New Window )
The League owes the Giants explanations  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/9/2019 4:39 pm : link
on that intentional grounding call and the 12 man on the field/timeout call on Dallas.
Ugh  
mittenedman : 9/9/2019 4:45 pm : link
Q: There were a couple of short yardage situations where you didnít turn to Saquon, was that because of what the Cowboys were showing or is there another reason why you went in a different direction?

A: On one of the short yardages, we did go to him and he converted for us. A couple of times we tried to throw it to him, the one I guess where we got intentional grounding, Iíll be surprised if they donít say thatís a bad call, because he was in the area of the throw. It wasnít like we were going away from him, no.

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This is my problem with Shurmur in a nutshell. You've got a big burly run blocking OLine and Saquon Barkley at RB. Stop overthinking everything and just hand the ball off. Let Barkley help you win the game/let this big bad OL assert itself. Perfect scenario to establish yourself as the running team you want to be.
Instead he calls a far riskier play action roll-out with an immobile QB to get Barkley a 3 yard pass to the flat (against an insanely fast Tampa 2 style D). And loses the game right there.

I want to like him, I really do. But he is borderline idiotic calling games so far, and I can't help but think he's an OC (not a HC).
RE: Ugh  
Mr. Bungle : 9/9/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14568817 mittenedman said:
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I want to like him, I really do. But he is borderline idiotic calling games so far, and I can't help but think he's an OC (not a HC).

It doesn't really seem like the Vikings miss him...
Mittenedman  
Bradshaw's Decal : 9/9/2019 4:51 pm : link
...totally agree... Establish some identity on offense, then outthink them... he has started a pattern of this since last year... Maybe its Shula?
no WCO  
mdc1 : 9/9/2019 4:59 pm : link
. living in niners, holmgren world.
There were three specific times  
jvm52106 : 9/9/2019 5:01 pm : link
yesterday where it seemed Barkley was the obvious choice and they just didn't do it.

Think of it this way (and yes, I know the overall game has changed):

Bill Parcells would run Barkley and run Barkley again down inside the red zone on short yardage. Joe Morris racked up 21 TDs in 1985 and 15 TDs in 1986 with many of them inside the 10 and inside the 5 yard line runs.

This is why do all that shit, thats why lift all those weights...
I couldn't agree more...  
Jooch : 9/9/2019 5:13 pm : link
...you're philosophy on "Hog Mollies" and now you have a pro-bowl running back. Hand it to him in situations where the other team KNOWS what's coming...it then becomes an issue of "Can you stop it?" and that is what the Giants and Gettlemen seem to be striving for. The Eli Penney dive was the perfect example.

I don't want Saquon overused per se but DAMN man, go with what is working for you and dare the other team to stop it and until they do keep going there! That is a huge part of the idea of the run setting up play action.
RE: Ugh  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14568817 mittenedman said:
Quote:
Q: There were a couple of short yardage situations where you didnít turn to Saquon, was that because of what the Cowboys were showing or is there another reason why you went in a different direction?

A: On one of the short yardages, we did go to him and he converted for us. A couple of times we tried to throw it to him, the one I guess where we got intentional grounding, Iíll be surprised if they donít say thatís a bad call, because he was in the area of the throw. It wasnít like we were going away from him, no.

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This is my problem with Shurmur in a nutshell. You've got a big burly run blocking OLine and Saquon Barkley at RB. Stop overthinking everything and just hand the ball off. Let Barkley help you win the game/let this big bad OL assert itself. Perfect scenario to establish yourself as the running team you want to be.
Instead he calls a far riskier play action roll-out with an immobile QB to get Barkley a 3 yard pass to the flat (against an insanely fast Tampa 2 style D). And loses the game right there.

I want to like him, I really do. But he is borderline idiotic calling games so far, and I can't help but think he's an OC (not a HC).


Great Post !
Bad coaches overthink situational football.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 6:21 pm : link
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RE: Bad coaches overthink situational football.  
montanagiant : 9/9/2019 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14569063 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They definitely were trying to get too cute in those situations
In case you haven't been following modern day football...  
Milton : 9/9/2019 7:08 pm : link
Running between the tackles on 3rd (or 4th) and one works less than 50% of the time no matter who the RB is.
Saquan is not just any RB  
Shirk130 : 9/9/2019 7:17 pm : link
and you can't treat him as one
RE: In case you haven't been following modern day football...  
giantstock : 9/9/2019 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14569202 Milton said:
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Running between the tackles on 3rd (or 4th) and one works less than 50% of the time no matter who the RB is.


IS this a joke? You got me to laugh a little. Thank you for that. SO you're comparing/ using stats for some of the bottom rb's in the NFL to Barkley who is arguably the best RB in all of football and possibly will be among the greatest RB's ever?

Not to mention - but i will- the RB during this game - even taking away his 59 yard run -he averaged over 6 yards a carry. And you are using low level RB's to justify your stats while disregarding this fact and teh fatc he is among the best in the NFL?
RE: In case you haven't been following modern day football...  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/10/2019 2:50 am : link
In comment 14569202 Milton said:
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Running between the tackles on 3rd (or 4th) and one works less than 50% of the time no matter who the RB is.

I prefer passing it to SB in the flats on short yardage, even if he catches it behind the line there is a 95% chance he makes the 1st defender miss.

And if someone bites on the flats, you have an easy intermediate or long throw.

Shurmur  
MtDizzle : 9/10/2019 5:27 am : link
comes across to me as a guy thatís content with losing by some of the answers he gives and excuses he makes. I wish he would own up to his mistakes and show some fire.
RE: In case you haven't been following modern day football...  
armstead98 : 9/10/2019 7:24 am : link
In comment 14569202 Milton said:
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Running between the tackles on 3rd (or 4th) and one works less than 50% of the time no matter who the RB is.


Part of the reason this is the case is the trend towards smaller linemen.

The Giants have bucked this trend and gone with a big line. The whole point of doing that is so you can smash it when you need to, or so I thought.
RE: In case you haven't been following modern day football...  
Dinger : 9/10/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14569202 Milton said:
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Running between the tackles on 3rd (or 4th) and one works less than 50% of the time no matter who the RB is.


Right, then you hand it off up the middle to SB the first two times then play action the 3rd time then run it the fourth. But handing it off to Penny? And having Eli out in the flats against this team didn't work when they were on the 40. Why would it work in a tighter window. Just not sure about Shurmur or Shula (or Betcher for that matter)
RE: Ugh  
Johnny5 : 9/10/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14568817 mittenedman said:
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Q: There were a couple of short yardage situations where you didnít turn to Saquon, was that because of what the Cowboys were showing or is there another reason why you went in a different direction?

A: On one of the short yardages, we did go to him and he converted for us. A couple of times we tried to throw it to him, the one I guess where we got intentional grounding, Iíll be surprised if they donít say thatís a bad call, because he was in the area of the throw. It wasnít like we were going away from him, no.

-----------

This is my problem with Shurmur in a nutshell. You've got a big burly run blocking OLine and Saquon Barkley at RB. Stop overthinking everything and just hand the ball off. Let Barkley help you win the game/let this big bad OL assert itself. Perfect scenario to establish yourself as the running team you want to be.
Instead he calls a far riskier play action roll-out with an immobile QB to get Barkley a 3 yard pass to the flat (against an insanely fast Tampa 2 style D). And loses the game right there.

I want to like him, I really do. But he is borderline idiotic calling games so far, and I can't help but think he's an OC (not a HC).

I can't disagree with you except that we didn't lose that game on that play call. It sure didn't help... lol... but that loss is 100% on the (utter lack of) pass defense.
i hope it is  
japanhead : 9/10/2019 1:37 pm : link
suggested to shurmur behind closed doors that he either focus on the playcalling, or the head coaching. if he insists on doing the former, get a fucking assistant head coach in there. to this point, he appears comically overmatched in attempting to do both.
RE: Shurmur  
twostepgiants : 9/10/2019 9:10 pm : link
In comment 14569738 MtDizzle said:
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comes across to me as a guy thatís content with losing by some of the answers he gives and excuses he makes. I wish he would own up to his mistakes and show some fire.


I agree. These comments still bother me. This game was a massive blowout.
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