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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 5:41 pm
David Syvertsen
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Re-watching the #giants defense

Not sure I have seen a back 7 (LB/CB/S) group simply run in the wrong direction against the pass like these guys did
Someone has to tell them  
Sneakers O'toole : 9/9/2019 5:44 pm : link
When the QB is throwing bombs all over the place, they aren't literal explosives. It's still just a ball. It can't hurt you.
Wow, I could be a scout!  
section125 : 9/9/2019 5:44 pm : link
I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...
There was one season under Fewwll  
Les in TO : 9/9/2019 5:47 pm : link
Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary
RE: Wow, I could be a scout!  
eli4life : 9/9/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14568974 section125 said:
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...


He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb
RE: There was one season under Fewwll  
justafan : 9/9/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14568982 Les in TO said:
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Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary


We might break that record. I believe we called him Perry Fool. Any creative nicknames for Bettcher yet?
RE: RE: There was one season under Fewwll  
Les in TO : 9/9/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14569000 justafan said:
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Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary



We might break that record. I believe we called him Perry Fool. Any creative nicknames for Bettcher yet?
James Son of a Bettcher
RE: RE: Wow, I could be a scout!  
Diver_Down : 9/9/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14568986 eli4life said:
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...



He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb


You mean guys like Markus Golden?
RE: Someone has to tell them  
santacruzom : 9/9/2019 6:09 pm : link
In comment 14568971 Sneakers O'toole said:
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When the QB is throwing bombs all over the place, they aren't literal explosives. It's still just a ball. It can't hurt you.


Holy shit, that rofl'd me.
RE: RE: RE: Wow, I could be a scout!  
Strahan91 : 9/9/2019 6:12 pm : link
In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said:
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...



He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb



You mean guys like Markus Golden?

A pre-surgery Golden. Not to mention Chandler Jones and Calais Campbell before that and a secondry that had Patrick Peterson and the honeybadger.
RE: RE: RE: Wow, I could be a scout!  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said:
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...



He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb


You mean guys like Markus Golden?


Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players.

But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage.

Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators.
They got worked  
BSIMatt : 9/9/2019 6:18 pm : link
It was one of the worst performances Iíve ever seen.
They should know which direction to run.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 9/9/2019 6:19 pm : link
This group of players was not prepared.
No, Bettcher doesn't have a whole lot to work with  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:20 pm : link
But they sure look awfully confused out there, too.
RE: No, Bettcher doesn't have a whole lot to work with  
HomerJones45 : 9/9/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14569061 Greg from LI said:
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But they sure look awfully confused out there, too.
I give the Giants credit; they brought Greg and I together and I did not think that possible.
Just to be clear - they didn't look much better on offense either  
jcn56 : 9/9/2019 6:26 pm : link
The team looks poorly coached from top to bottom.

Talent or coaching? Or both?

The most worrisome part as people keep preaching patience - if the coaching is fucked, then you're never going to get a good assessment of the talent you do have, and because the coaching staff is integral to the draft process, you're going to have limited success in picks going forward.

This thing looks like a disaster from top to bottom.
Hey look on the bright side  
Emil : 9/9/2019 6:26 pm : link
All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now ďwhatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!Ē
It's just as strange a feeling for me as it is for you  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:28 pm : link
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RE: Hey look on the bright side  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 6:28 pm : link
In comment 14569083 Emil said:
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All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now ďwhatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!Ē


LOL...
At least a new generation of fans  
Diver_Down : 9/9/2019 6:30 pm : link
will have their own Baker The Touchdown Maker.
Dallas playcalling was fairly complex.  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2019 6:32 pm : link
Dak Prescott: "Go run down the middle of the field and I will throw it to you."

Dallas WRs/TEs: "Ok"
RE: Dallas playcalling was fairly complex.  
Nine-Tails : 9/9/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14569105 Jimmy Googs said:
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Dak Prescott: "Go run down the middle of the field and I will throw it to you."

Dallas WRs/TEs: "Ok"


Or if you're covered by #30 or #27. Do whatever and you'll be open and get the ball
DC showed films  
thrunthrublue : 9/9/2019 6:37 pm : link
Of fainting goats to defense during training camp, it sunk in!
it was pure pitch and catch  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:38 pm : link
Dak had forever and a day to throw, and he was throwing to guys who were wide freaking open again and again.
RE: Hey look on the bright side  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:39 pm : link
In comment 14569083 Emil said:
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All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now ďwhatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!Ē


RE: it was pure pitch and catch  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14569122 Greg from LI said:
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Dak had forever and a day to throw, and he was throwing to guys who were wide freaking open again and again.


that might be the most ineffective six man rush I've ever seen  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:48 pm : link
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five, not six  
Greg from LI : 9/9/2019 6:49 pm : link
been a long day
RE: five, not six  
Diver_Down : 9/9/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14569157 Greg from LI said:
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been a long day


No. There are 6. In the immediate foreground are 2 blue helmets.
RE: five, not six  
section125 : 9/9/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14569157 Greg from LI said:
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been a long day


It is six. Two men lower left.
RE: five, not six  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14569157 Greg from LI said:
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been a long day


I see six. Two look almost stuck together on Dax's right side.
the 6th LB  
PEEJ : 9/9/2019 6:58 pm : link
is covering the back ,#20, not rushing the passer
BTW...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 6:58 pm : link
Do the 4 defenders to Dax's left think Pollard has the ball?
It's nice of Peppers to point out the open man for Dak though  
jcn56 : 9/9/2019 6:59 pm : link
I mean if you're not going to compete, might as well be polite.
Who is covering the receiver at the top?  
Diver_Down : 9/9/2019 7:02 pm : link
So much cushion that the defender isn't even visible.
Look at Gallup...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 7:03 pm : link
at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route.

Now that's tight coverage...
I usually lean to the side that itís talent more than coaching  
mfsd : 9/9/2019 7:23 pm : link
and I still donít think the best DCs in history (LeBeau, Belichick, whoever) could compete too much with this back seven.

But that said, there was something just wrong with the defense beyond limited talent. The Cowboys seemed to have them utterly confused on defense...and didnít seem to be running anything too complex. Some pre snap motion stuff, but nothing that isnít normal in the NFL.

Sometimes, a guy just gets beat - like Cooper beating Baker for a TD. Welcome to the NFL kid. On the flip side we did a reasonable job up front against Zeke, he didnít gash us too much.

But there something not right with whatever Bettcher is trying to do with this lot.

Look forward to Syís review.
We have got to stop being so aggressive  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2019 7:27 pm : link
on Defense.

Let the game come to us...
RE: Look at Gallup...  
Eman11 : 9/9/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14569190 bw in dc said:
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at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route.

Now that's tight coverage...


That's got to be how he was told to play on that one. The thing I don't get is having watched a lot of Baker at UGA, he excelled at getting up on guys at the line and being in their face and playing tight man to man.

If it's me, I'm putting my guy in a position he's best at and not taking the square peg round hole approach. If he's going to get beat and take his lumps at least give him his best chance to succeed while taking those lumps.
RE: RE: Look at Gallup...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14569252 Eman11 said:
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That's got to be how he was told to play on that one. The thing I don't get is having watched a lot of Baker at UGA, he excelled at getting up on guys at the line and being in their face and playing tight man to man.

If it's me, I'm putting my guy in a position he's best at and not taking the square peg round hole approach. If he's going to get beat and take his lumps at least give him his best chance to succeed while taking those lumps.


I get it. Just thought it looked kind of funny.

Baker is noted for his man skills, but he needed over the top help yesterday because he didn't manage very well psychically. And for some reason he hardly got help...
Letís be honest.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/9/2019 9:37 pm : link
We will never know for sure but if Bill Belichick Had the Giants does anyone really think theyíd be this bad?

Talent is an issue but this guy canít coach.
I expect growing pains...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/9/2019 9:39 pm : link
A lot of youngsters out there. I don't think the coaching did them any favors.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Wow, I could be a scout!  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/9/2019 10:55 pm : link
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...



He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb


You mean guys like Markus Golden?



Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players.

But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage.

Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators.


Bill B Won a playoff game vs Payton Manning w Troy Brown playing DB. And the same Giants D that sucked under Tim Lewis was transformed once he was canned. Coaching matters. But keep pretending it doesnít Of course talent helps.

Youíve. Ever had a bad boss. When things went sour it was you that sucked right ?
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Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2019 1:51 am : link
In comment 14569630 LauderdaleMatty said:
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I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...



He had guys that didnít need a gps to get to the qb


You mean guys like Markus Golden?



Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players.

But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage.

Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators.



Bill B Won a playoff game vs Payton Manning w Troy Brown playing DB. And the same Giants D that sucked under Tim Lewis was transformed once he was canned. Coaching matters. But keep pretending it doesnít Of course talent helps.

Youíve. Ever had a bad boss. When things went sour it was you that sucked right ?


Not once did I say coaching doesnt matter.

Talent simply matters more. Coaching isnt going to save a bad roster, and year after year people expect defensive coordinators to product results with bottom of the league talent. The last time the Giants had a defense worth a damn was a season in which they spent about 100 million dollars on actual NFL starters.


When the Cowboys had the ball  
cjac : 9/10/2019 7:43 am : link
it looked like a touch football game where a bunch of HS seniors were playing against 12 year olds
RE: Look at Gallup...  
micky : 9/10/2019 7:52 am : link
In comment 14569190 bw in dc said:
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at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route.

Now that's tight coverage...


It's Deandre Baker. It's just that he's at the concession stand waiting for a hot dog
Imagine if they ever went to a prevent defense  
micky : 9/10/2019 8:00 am : link
Betcher (sp?) Would need a cell phone, on a conference call, to see if they were set
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