Sy'56's game review is going to be a beauty....

When the QB is throwing bombs all over the place, they aren't literal explosives. It's still just a ball. It can't hurt you.

I saw the same thing.

This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...

Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary

In comment 14568974 section125 said:

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I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona...

He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb

In comment 14568982 Les in TO said:

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Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary

We might break that record. I believe we called him Perry Fool. Any creative nicknames for Bettcher yet?

In comment 14569000 justafan said:

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In comment 14568982 Les in TO said: Quote: Where the Giants gave up 5-10 touchdowns where the receiver was simply uncovered due to miscommunication in the secondary We might break that record. I believe we called him Perry Fool. Any creative nicknames for Bettcher yet?

James Son of a Bettcher

In comment 14568986 eli4life said:

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In comment 14568974 section125 said: Quote: I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona... He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb

You mean guys like Markus Golden?

In comment 14568971 Sneakers O'toole said:

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When the QB is throwing bombs all over the place, they aren't literal explosives. It's still just a ball. It can't hurt you.

Holy shit, that rofl'd me.

In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 14568986 eli4life said: Quote: In comment 14568974 section125 said: Quote: I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona... He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb You mean guys like Markus Golden?

A pre-surgery Golden. Not to mention Chandler Jones and Calais Campbell before that and a secondry that had Patrick Peterson and the honeybadger.

In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 14568986 eli4life said: Quote: In comment 14568974 section125 said: Quote: I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona... He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb You mean guys like Markus Golden?

Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players.

But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage.

Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators.

It was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen.

This group of players was not prepared.

But they sure look awfully confused out there, too.

In comment 14569061 Greg from LI said:

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But they sure look awfully confused out there, too.

I give the Giants credit; they brought Greg and I together and I did not think that possible.

The team looks poorly coached from top to bottom.

Talent or coaching? Or both?

The most worrisome part as people keep preaching patience - if the coaching is fucked, then you're never going to get a good assessment of the talent you do have, and because the coaching staff is integral to the draft process, you're going to have limited success in picks going forward.

This thing looks like a disaster from top to bottom.

All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now “whatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!”

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All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now “whatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!”

LOL...

will have their own Baker The Touchdown Maker.

Dak Prescott: "Go run down the middle of the field and I will throw it to you."

Dallas WRs/TEs: "Ok"

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Dak Prescott: "Go run down the middle of the field and I will throw it to you." Dallas WRs/TEs: "Ok"

Or if you're covered by #30 or #27. Do whatever and you'll be open and get the ball

Of fainting goats to defense during training camp, it sunk in!

Dak had forever and a day to throw, and he was throwing to guys who were wide freaking open again and again.

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All they gotta do is get them to run in the right direction. I can see it now “whatever your instincts tell you, do the opposite!”

In comment 14569122 Greg from LI said:

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Dak had forever and a day to throw, and he was throwing to guys who were wide freaking open again and again.

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been a long day

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been a long day

No. There are 6. In the immediate foreground are 2 blue helmets.

In comment 14569157 Greg from LI said:

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been a long day

It is six. Two men lower left.

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been a long day

I see six. Two look almost stuck together on Dax's right side.

is covering the back ,#20, not rushing the passer

Do the 4 defenders to Dax's left think Pollard has the ball?

I mean if you're not going to compete, might as well be polite.

So much cushion that the defender isn't even visible.

at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route.

Now that's tight coverage...

and I still don’t think the best DCs in history (LeBeau, Belichick, whoever) could compete too much with this back seven.

But that said, there was something just wrong with the defense beyond limited talent. The Cowboys seemed to have them utterly confused on defense...and didn’t seem to be running anything too complex. Some pre snap motion stuff, but nothing that isn’t normal in the NFL.

Sometimes, a guy just gets beat - like Cooper beating Baker for a TD. Welcome to the NFL kid. On the flip side we did a reasonable job up front against Zeke, he didn’t gash us too much.

But there something not right with whatever Bettcher is trying to do with this lot.

Look forward to Sy’s review.

on Defense.

Let the game come to us...

In comment 14569190 bw in dc said:

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at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route. Now that's tight coverage...

That's got to be how he was told to play on that one. The thing I don't get is having watched a lot of Baker at UGA, he excelled at getting up on guys at the line and being in their face and playing tight man to man.

If it's me, I'm putting my guy in a position he's best at and not taking the square peg round hole approach. If he's going to get beat and take his lumps at least give him his best chance to succeed while taking those lumps.

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That's got to be how he was told to play on that one. The thing I don't get is having watched a lot of Baker at UGA, he excelled at getting up on guys at the line and being in their face and playing tight man to man. If it's me, I'm putting my guy in a position he's best at and not taking the square peg round hole approach. If he's going to get beat and take his lumps at least give him his best chance to succeed while taking those lumps.

I get it. Just thought it looked kind of funny.

Baker is noted for his man skills, but he needed over the top help yesterday because he didn't manage very well psychically. And for some reason he hardly got help...

We will never know for sure but if Bill Belichick Had the Giants does anyone really think they’d be this bad?

Talent is an issue but this guy can’t coach.

A lot of youngsters out there. I don't think the coaching did them any favors.

In comment 14569049 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said: Quote: In comment 14568986 eli4life said: Quote: In comment 14568974 section125 said: Quote: I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona... He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb You mean guys like Markus Golden? Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players. But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage. Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators.

Bill B Won a playoff game vs Payton Manning w Troy Brown playing DB. And the same Giants D that sucked under Tim Lewis was transformed once he was canned. Coaching matters. But keep pretending it doesn’t Of course talent helps.

You’ve. Ever had a bad boss. When things went sour it was you that sucked right ?

In comment 14569630 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 14569049 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 14569019 Diver_Down said: Quote: In comment 14568986 eli4life said: Quote: In comment 14568974 section125 said: Quote: I saw the same thing. This is very daming for Bettcher. How did that guy have such a good defense in Arizona... He had guys that didn’t need a gps to get to the qb You mean guys like Markus Golden? Bettcher has coached a lot of very talented players. But that's the thing. There isn't a defensive coordinator that is going to create a great defense with garbage. Great players make great coordinators. Bad players make bad coordinators. Bill B Won a playoff game vs Payton Manning w Troy Brown playing DB. And the same Giants D that sucked under Tim Lewis was transformed once he was canned. Coaching matters. But keep pretending it doesn’t Of course talent helps. You’ve. Ever had a bad boss. When things went sour it was you that sucked right ?

Not once did I say coaching doesnt matter.

Talent simply matters more. Coaching isnt going to save a bad roster, and year after year people expect defensive coordinators to product results with bottom of the league talent. The last time the Giants had a defense worth a damn was a season in which they spent about 100 million dollars on actual NFL starters.

it looked like a touch football game where a bunch of HS seniors were playing against 12 year olds

In comment 14569190 bw in dc said:

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at the top of the photo. I'm assuming it's Deandre Baker who you can't see because he's at least seven yards off the receiver who is already five yards into his route. Now that's tight coverage...

It's Deandre Baker. It's just that he's at the concession stand waiting for a hot dog

Betcher (sp?) Would need a cell phone, on a conference call, to see if they were set