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NGT: Antonio Brown, crazy as a fox?

DaveW2 : 9/9/2019 6:42 pm
Sorry if this has already been beaten to death, but this article is an interesting take on his move from Pittsburgh, through Oakland, to NE. If it's even only somewhat accurate, he played Pit and Oak like cheap fiddles, and NE may (yet again) be complicit in (at least) shady dealing, if not outright tampering.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/9/9/20857152/antonio-brown-conspiracy-corner-patriots-raiders-steelers

Nah  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2019 6:56 pm : link
I don't buy that narrative. Every nfl'er would prefer a multi year gurantee than a 1 year "guarantee" from Little Bill.

It's safe to say AB has rocks for brains lol
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pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 7:46 pm : link
AB might not be smart, but Belichick is.



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Call him a cracker, ask for your release and post any fines on social media. You can live with Brady until you find a place


That is effin  
section125 : 9/9/2019 7:53 pm : link
funny.
He pissed away  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/9/2019 9:16 pm : link
$30 million guaranteed from the Raiders and got what? $9 million from the Patriots? They say $15mm but heís not hitting those milestones. 30>9. How is that smart?
It's quite the contrast in styles...  
bw in dc : 9/9/2019 9:20 pm : link
Out in Grudenland, AB basically did whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

Since arriving in Pats Central, it's like AB has entered the NFL witness protection program...
20 Million  
Thegratefulhead : 9/9/2019 9:23 pm : link
Option for next year...2 years and 35 million if he hits incentives... What was the original Oakland deal for?
RE: 20 Million  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/9/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14569437 Thegratefulhead said:
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Option for next year...2 years and 35 million if he hits incentives... What was the original Oakland deal for?


$30mm guaranteed. 3/50 was the contract with Raiders

Heís not hitting the incentives to get to 15mm this year. Look them up. No receiver in NE has ever had the #s he needs to hit to trigger them.

He wonít see the $20 next year either.

Itís 30 vs 9. The guaranteed portions.
RE: RE: 20 Million  
pjcas18 : 9/9/2019 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14569457 GiantsRage2007 said:
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In comment 14569437 Thegratefulhead said:


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Option for next year...2 years and 35 million if he hits incentives... What was the original Oakland deal for?



$30mm guaranteed. 3/50 was the contract with Raiders

Heís not hitting the incentives to get to 15mm this year. Look them up. No receiver in NE has ever had the #s he needs to hit to trigger them.

He wonít see the $20 next year either.

Itís 30 vs 9. The guaranteed portions.


but the 9 is guaranteed for just this year and it will probably wind up 11 or close for just the one year. the NLTBE incentives are just 4.5M. The rest, if he's healthy are salary and games played bonuses.

and then next year he starts over again and if he has a good year picks his destination - either NE or otherwise.

There is at least suspicion he orchestrated this.

And you need to consider the player. Antonio Brown is not Le'Veon Bell or a youngster, he's earned (after this year's guaranteed money) over $80M just from salary - not including endorsements or other money.

So, sure he may bypass 30M guaranteed paid over the first couple years for maybe 25 (at the end of the 2 years), but if he feels like it's a better situation it's probably worth it to him - more than someone who is just in it for the money at their age.
'Antonio Brown, crazy as a fox?'  
Torrag : 9/9/2019 9:54 pm : link
More like cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
Suspicions ?  
djm : 9/9/2019 10:02 pm : link
Please. Both sides likely orchestrated this. Brown definitely did.
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BleedBlue : 9/9/2019 10:12 pm : link
He doesn't care about money. He has already said he doesn't need money. He knows in NE they prob win 2 or more bowls. That team is stacked. Everyone else playing for second place
Iím convinced  
5BowlsSoon : 9/9/2019 10:52 pm : link
This was all planned and NE was encouraging erratic behavior to get it done.
Brown certainly did this on purpose  
Tom in DC : 9/9/2019 11:44 pm : link
Frostbite, the helmet thing, missing a walk through, threatening his GM, taping conversations and posting them, and then outright asking to be released should be enough for anyone to see from day one he wanted to get out of his contract and become a free agent. Any tampering by New England will probably never be proven. However, Brown's actions show he wasn't dealing with the Raiders in good faith.
Just plain old fashioned crazy  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/10/2019 12:54 am : link
Rocks for brains. No player in their right mind would give up a big multiyear guaranteed contract for a one year deal, which for all intents and purposes is not guaranteed.

No need for such a silly narrative.
Youíre crazy if you think  
Steve L : 9/10/2019 6:07 am : link
This wasnít orchestrated by the Pats and Brown. The plan was to get cut this year or hold out all this season to get traded or released before next season. Pats couldnít make the trade this off season but Brown was going there regardless. There has to be a trail and collusion, but the nfl wonít look into it so BB will get away with it....again.
I think he just blew any chance at the HOF.  
Giant John : 9/10/2019 7:07 am : link
Maybe they can just put his helmet on a table or something?
RE: Youíre crazy if you think  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 7:30 am : link
In comment 14569741 Steve L said:
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This wasnít orchestrated by the Pats and Brown. The plan was to get cut this year or hold out all this season to get traded or released before next season. Pats couldnít make the trade this off season but Brown was going there regardless. There has to be a trail and collusion, but the nfl wonít look into it so BB will get away with it....again.


I can buy the argument Brown wanted out to a degree. But I think his urge to get out came last week when the Raiders levied the heavy fine ($200K+), and essentially made his salary conditional week to week.

But the Pats as a co-conspirator? LOL. Did you see the Pats hang 33 on Pittsburgh on Sunday night? They basically had an answer for every single route on the route tree. They donít need Brown. Heís a luxury item. Will they potentially figure out how to use him to get more lethal? Sure. But if he doesnít work out, they will just reassemble the widgets and figure it out...
We do know the Pats made a trade offer for AB last year  
GeofromNJ : 9/10/2019 9:31 am : link
but the Steelers either preferred the Oakland offer or didn't want AB to play for the Patriots. So any conspiracy between AB and BB is plausible.
RE: We do know the Pats made a trade offer for AB last year  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14569923 GeofromNJ said:
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but the Steelers either preferred the Oakland offer or didn't want AB to play for the Patriots. So any conspiracy between AB and BB is plausible.


So Belichick, Rosenhaus and Brown triangulated some time during these last six months to orchestrate a move to get Brown out of Oakland to sign with the Pats.

And Belichick, the svengali, was scripting out what Brown should do to force his release in Oakland?
RE: RE: 20 Million  
giants#1 : 9/10/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14569457 GiantsRage2007 said:
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In comment 14569437 Thegratefulhead said:


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Option for next year...2 years and 35 million if he hits incentives... What was the original Oakland deal for?



$30mm guaranteed. 3/50 was the contract with Raiders

Heís not hitting the incentives to get to 15mm this year. Look them up. No receiver in NE has ever had the #s he needs to hit to trigger them.

He wonít see the $20 next year either.

Itís 30 vs 9. The guaranteed portions.


It'll be hard to hit those marks after missing 1 game, but on their own 105 rec, 1298 yds, and 16 TDs aren't that absurd. AB has caught >105 rec 4x in his career and just missed it the last 2 seasons (104 and 101) and he's topped 1298 yards 4x and missed it twice (1297 and 1284). He's never had 16 TDs, but did finish with 15 last season so not unheard of.

And it's not a coincidence those marks are exactly 1 more rec, 1 more yard, and 1 more TD than he had last season. I believe that qualifies them as "not likely to be earned" and thus they would hit next year's cap.

As for those marks more generally, Cris Carter and Randy Moss have topped them. Harrison and Rice each finished 1 TD short. If you only look at the receptions/yards bonuses, there have been 46 times in NFL history that a WR had >105 rec and >1300 yards
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also  
giants#1 : 9/10/2019 11:40 am : link
last time Brady had a WR close to ABs ability was Moss in 2007 and he put up 98 rec/1493 yds/23 TDs and that was after 3 down seasons when people thought he was "done".
RE: RE: Youíre crazy if you think  
giants#1 : 9/10/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14569769 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14569741 Steve L said:


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This wasnít orchestrated by the Pats and Brown. The plan was to get cut this year or hold out all this season to get traded or released before next season. Pats couldnít make the trade this off season but Brown was going there regardless. There has to be a trail and collusion, but the nfl wonít look into it so BB will get away with it....again.



I can buy the argument Brown wanted out to a degree. But I think his urge to get out came last week when the Raiders levied the heavy fine ($200K+), and essentially made his salary conditional week to week.

But the Pats as a co-conspirator? LOL. Did you see the Pats hang 33 on Pittsburgh on Sunday night? They basically had an answer for every single route on the route tree. They donít need Brown. Heís a luxury item. Will they potentially figure out how to use him to get more lethal? Sure. But if he doesnít work out, they will just reassemble the widgets and figure it out...


^This. The conspiracy ignores all the shit he pulled to force his way out of Pitt in the first place.
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