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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2019 8:08 pm
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(BTW, blame the picture on me...not Sy).
Game Review: Dallas Cowboys 35 – New York Giants 17 - ( New Window )
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RE: Sy, how do you do that review  
Sy'56 : 9/10/2019 7:58 am : link
In comment 14569673 montanagiant said:
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And not bring up the fact that when Eli rolled right and fumbled Shepherd was actually tackled 10 yards down field (his target) and nothing was called?

Also what the hell was the deal with giving Dallas the benefit of the doubt on the 12 men in the huddle BS?

Both were key penalties that would have extended drives and when you add in the 3 times Eli was crunched in the helmet never called this game could have been different


I didn't think Shepard getting mauled was that big of a deal. Manning was out of the pocket and that kind of contact happens often. It was excessive and it could have been flagged, but I have seen worse go uncalled especially when it doesn't impact the play.

The 12 men on the field could have been called but that, too, happens more than you think and DAL did call the timeout. I wouldn't say NYG got screwed by the refs but the questionable calls certainly did go in favor of DAL more often
Nobody mentioned  
idiotsavant : 9/10/2019 8:04 am : link
I was "watching on the radio". LB Carter pass defense on a TE. That's a good sign, and holding the edge to boot.
Not to mention a chunk of those passing stats  
Dnew15 : 9/10/2019 8:07 am : link
came when the game was out of reach already.
this review is on point  
Gettledogman : 9/10/2019 8:21 am : link
it is a very mature look at the building of the team and what is lacking -the D will get better and I was happy with the play of the lines.
RE: RE: Sy, how do you do that review  
christian : 9/10/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14569791 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 14569673 montanagiant said:


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And not bring up the fact that when Eli rolled right and fumbled Shepherd was actually tackled 10 yards down field (his target) and nothing was called?

Also what the hell was the deal with giving Dallas the benefit of the doubt on the 12 men in the huddle BS?

Both were key penalties that would have extended drives and when you add in the 3 times Eli was crunched in the helmet never called this game could have been different



I didn't think Shepard getting mauled was that big of a deal. Manning was out of the pocket and that kind of contact happens often. It was excessive and it could have been flagged, but I have seen worse go uncalled especially when it doesn't impact the play.

The 12 men on the field could have been called but that, too, happens more than you think and DAL did call the timeout. I wouldn't say NYG got screwed by the refs but the questionable calls certainly did go in favor of DAL more often


The refs literally ignored the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty Pat Mugshot committed for throwing the challenge under 2 minutes.

The refs were a mess, but it went both ways.
Lorenzo Carter also got away....  
Tesla : 9/10/2019 8:56 am : link
with a blatant shot to Zak's head. We only tend to see the bad calls that go against us.
Why bother blame the refs when its 35-17?  
WideRight : 9/10/2019 9:03 am : link
And could have been worse. Refs had zero impact on the outcome.
Spot on review.  
x meadowlander : 9/10/2019 9:04 am : link
Team has basically swapped a catastrophically bad OL for a catastrophically bad pass defense.

Worst of all?

GIANTS WERE HEALTHY ON DEFENSE.

I fear the potential for a top-3 draft pick is much higher than a winning record.

Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2019 9:05 am : link

Later in the drive, Manning had a 4th-and-1 play-action rollout where there was nothing to lose. The initial read was Sterling Shepard, who was running along the goal line more than open enough. Manning hesitated, again, and held onto the ball with multiple DAL defenders closing in on him. The cement-footed QB did his best version of a juke but it resulted in a sack-fumble. A turnover. He has to know by now that in a situation where you are down 18 in the second half and you are that close to the end zone, you have to throw it. Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it. Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.
I've said Bethea  
jeff57 : 9/10/2019 9:15 am : link
is an old and slow Landon Collins. Can't cover, and now is not much of a factor in the box.
RE: Lorenzo Carter also got away....  
giants#1 : 9/10/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14569855 Tesla said:
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with a blatant shot to Zak's head. We only tend to see the bad calls that go against us.


The Cowboys (Lawrence was one) also got away with 2 hits to Eli's head.

The big difference is that in 2 key situations they picked up (legit) flags thrown on Dallas. It's not like they didn't see the penalties in the heat of action (like Latimer? being pulled down on the hailmary). They literally got the calls correct and then a separate official overruled them.
RE: This is what I've been saying about Mannining  
Gman11 : 9/10/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14569538 Tesla said:
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Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.



He just looks like he's moving in slow motion....especially noticeable when you see Jones come in and play.


I've often said it, as players get older it isn't necessarily the foot speed that leaves them, it's reaction time. Their reflexes just aren't what they used to be. I hate to say it because it was the defense that blew this game, but if they lose to the Bills, it should be time for Jones to start.
RE: Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/10/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14569875 Jimmy Googs said:
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Later in the drive, Manning had a 4th-and-1 play-action rollout where there was nothing to lose. The initial read was Sterling Shepard, who was running along the goal line more than open enough. Manning hesitated, again, and held onto the ball with multiple DAL defenders closing in on him. The cement-footed QB did his best version of a juke but it resulted in a sack-fumble. A turnover. He has to know by now that in a situation where you are down 18 in the second half and you are that close to the end zone, you have to throw it. Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it. Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.


Not an odd take at all. He was open, he just waited too long.
Thanks for the review Sy  
Dinger : 9/10/2019 10:03 am : link
I rewatched the first half last night, and while I am a strong believer in not blaming the refs (good teams overcome bad officiating) they did stop our second strong drive where they missed a hack to Elis head by Lawrence and the PF/Int Grounding call. As much as Dallas marched down the field the rest of the game we were doing it in the first half or at least the first quarter. It felt like after that drive the OL play calling got too cute. Ad nauseum how do you not use Barkley if not twice at least once in that short yardage situations? He was bouncing off initial tacklers all night it seemed. I mean hand off up the middle to him the first one or two times then play fake it. It worked and will continue too. I felt the same way at the beginning of last year but Shurmur has some major flaws he needs to correct.
I'm not going to defend Eli here cause that debate will never end, but hey he had a 8-9 yard scamper during that second drive....he put Dak to shame! LOL. I can't remember the last time we drafted a decent linebacker. And I can't remember the last time we could stop anyting short over the middle. Maybe we had no pass rush because Dak was getting rid of the ball quickly for the most part. Their drives were long drawn out and tired our already bad defense. We have an improved OL. Run the Fing football. Go for the short vanilla passes under 10 yards. Matriculate the ball down field and keep our defense OFF if it. Thought this would be a good thread to bury 'My take on the game' instead of starting a thread. Thanks for your time.
RE: RE: Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14569942 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14569875 Jimmy Googs said:


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Not an odd take at all. He was open, he just waited too long.


It was a bit of sarcasm for the ever-lasting defenders...
The Giants  
weaverpsu : 9/10/2019 10:34 am : link
Did not have any 3 and outs. In review, it says they did before Dallas had a 13 play drive. Just FYI
RE: After  
Hammer : 9/10/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14569567 Eric from BBI said:
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reading Sy's take, I may force myself to re-watch the game just to watch Halapio.


I did just that and found that he played very very well.

In fact, the offensive line as a whole was pretty impressive. More so in light of recent years.
I think the  
Dnew15 : 9/10/2019 10:43 am : link
Cowboys are a top 5 NFL team right now.
Nothing from this game should have been surprising.
The Giants have the same problems on offense and defense that they did at the end of last year and the year before.
The Eagles would have done the same thing to them had the Eagles been the opening day opponent instead of the Cowboys.
It's like Groundhog Day with this franchise.
I say that with the exception of the  
Dnew15 : 9/10/2019 10:44 am : link
offensive line.

That group looked good on Sunday - which is a great sign.
Nice review Sy, thanks  
5BowlsSoon : 9/10/2019 10:51 am : link
Just a few rebuttals....

1. So what do we do with Bethea?
2. Do we feel better with the backups?
3. Is Ballentine ready?
4. I’m not worried about Baker. He missed three weeks and that was his first game.
5. I will withhold comments on our pass rush until we play a team that does not have a top 5 OL. You are not supposed to abuse those those guys...that is why they are top 5.
6. I’m glad we included Beal on the 53. This way he has a chance to play the second half of the season.
RE: So many personnel mistakes. Which was the worst?  
weaverpsu : 9/10/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14569683 SB 42 and 46 and ? said:
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Kill me with all the boobs running around in the Giants' secondary that Eli Apple, 10th overall pick in the 2016 draft, now solid starting LCB for Saints, and he just missed a trip to the Super Bowl last year.

You don't have to be Gil Brandt to know that you don't give up on a 10th overall after two seasons when his rookie year was very promising.

They could have probably kept Hankins (who just signed a two year deal with Raiders) or Harrison to be the run defender/no pass rush DT. Nope, they both go and we burn a first rounder on another run defense/no pass rush defender. Except we're not even sure how good he'll be against the run.


Apparently, you didn't watch the Saints game last night. Apple was awful. Got picked on all night and missed several tackles to boot.
Exactly..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2019 11:03 am : link
Apple was specifically targeted several times:

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So many personnel mistakes. Which was the worst?
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/9/2019 11:59 pm : link : reply
Kill me with all the boobs running around in the Giants' secondary that Eli Apple, 10th overall pick in the 2016 draft, now solid starting LCB for Saints, and he just missed a trip to the Super Bowl last year.


eli Apple last year accrued among the most penalty yards for a DB. And to start the year off, he gave up several completions last night, including a deep bomb to Fuller.

"Solid" does not describe his play, anymore than saying Hamilton as a starting CB means he is good.
RE: This is what I've been saying about Mannining  
GoDeep13 : 9/10/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14569538 Tesla said:
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Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.



He just looks like he's moving in slow motion....especially noticeable when you see Jones come in and play.

He also stared directly at a wide open Simonson on the intentional grounding play and couldn't pull the trigger for some reason.
Yep. My biggest problem with Eli right now. Everything seems two beats too slow.

The game is moving too fast for Eli at this point.
I do worry a little about  
Dnew15 : 9/10/2019 11:04 am : link
sending Baker out there and getting his confidence shook. A big part of his game at Georgia was the swagger with which he played.

Remembering Corey Webster's career - taking your lumps as a CB and coming back is hard, but not impossible.
RE: RE: RE: Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/10/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14569990 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14569942 McNally's_Nuts said:


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In comment 14569875 Jimmy Googs said:


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Not an odd take at all. He was open, he just waited too long.



It was a bit of sarcasm for the ever-lasting defenders...


Hey pal, we’re agreeing here!!!!!
RE: I do worry a little about  
weaverpsu : 9/10/2019 11:47 am : link
In comment 14570103 Dnew15 said:
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sending Baker out there and getting his confidence shook. A big part of his game at Georgia was the swagger with which he played.

Remembering Corey Webster's career - taking your lumps as a CB and coming back is hard, but not impossible.


Oh please. If you lose your confidence after a few games, it's likely you never had it. You know what would have been smart though? Putting Jenkins on Cooper all day, since he is by far, our best corner right now.
The Giants are a work in progress  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/10/2019 11:51 am : link
However that progress looks to be a year or three away.
Sy  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/10/2019 11:53 am : link
Thank you for a excellent review.

With Bettcher in his second year, are you seeing any flaws in the system itself or how he is calling games?

I understand there are some young players and talent deficiencies, but am curious to know if you are seeing trends with his defense that are being exploited.
RE: Exactly..  
Gman11 : 9/10/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14570099 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Apple was specifically targeted several times:



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So many personnel mistakes. Which was the worst?
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 9/9/2019 11:59 pm : link : reply
Kill me with all the boobs running around in the Giants' secondary that Eli Apple, 10th overall pick in the 2016 draft, now solid starting LCB for Saints, and he just missed a trip to the Super Bowl last year.



eli Apple last year accrued among the most penalty yards for a DB. And to start the year off, he gave up several completions last night, including a deep bomb to Fuller.

"Solid" does not describe his play, anymore than saying Hamilton as a starting CB means he is good.


He also had a penalty that gave the Texans a first down to keep a drive alive and had more than one missed tackle. But, yeah, he's great. Shoulda kept him.
RE: Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
Thegratefulhead : 9/10/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14569875 Jimmy Googs said:
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Later in the drive, Manning had a 4th-and-1 play-action rollout where there was nothing to lose. The initial read was Sterling Shepard, who was running along the goal line more than open enough. Manning hesitated, again, and held onto the ball with multiple DAL defenders closing in on him. The cement-footed QB did his best version of a juke but it resulted in a sack-fumble. A turnover. He has to know by now that in a situation where you are down 18 in the second half and you are that close to the end zone, you have to throw it. Even a blind, toss-it-up-and-hope-for-the-best throw would have been better than holding onto it. Manning’s reaction time, his sluggish movement on long-developing screen plays, and underlying fear to make things happen are going to get him on the bench at some point.
Googs...just outright say what you want to say. People are obtuse here.

Googs said much of this yesterday in a different thread and people kind of went berserk on him. Sy' says essentially the same and everyone...Great review Sy'
RE: RE: RE: RE: Gee, what an odd take by Sy here...anybody disagree?  
Jimmy Googs : 9/10/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14570140 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 14569990 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 14569942 McNally's_Nuts said:


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In comment 14569875 Jimmy Googs said:


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Not an odd take at all. He was open, he just waited too long.



It was a bit of sarcasm for the ever-lasting defenders...



Hey pal, we’re agreeing here!!!!!


Yes we are.
Matriculate is dead to me now  
Thegratefulhead : 9/10/2019 12:17 pm : link
Just sayin'
Great review  
ij_reilly : 9/10/2019 12:26 pm : link
Thank you.

It looks like it may be time for me to eat crow regarding Halapio. I will happily do so.

Coming into this season, I thought the upside for this team would be middle-of-the-pack. For me, this review supports that upside expectation (dream?).

The coaching looks pretty crappy though. Might be a long, long season. Again.
RE: RE: Oline looked solid against a purported all world star studded D  
Bramton1 : 9/10/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14569783 bw in dc said:
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Well Eli is on pace for 4800 yards, 95 QBR and a 68% completion to trigger corner.elihatecentral.com XD



Uh, Eli’s QBR was 22.4 His YPA was 6.95.

To quote Sy, the “cement footed QB” missed some key opportunities Sunday. He wasn’t dreadful but he wasn’t able to create enough points either.


I don't trust a rating system that you can't verify by putting in the data yourself. Those kind of rating systems can be manipulated to back up an agenda.

Because you're right. Eli wasn't dreadful. He just didn't create enough points. But a 22.3 QBR is dreadful. By comparison, Mayfield threw three picks. His QB rating said he sucked. So did his QBR. But according to QBR, he didn't have quite as bad a performance as that shitbag Eli Manning.
Whether DAL  
mittenedman : 9/10/2019 12:30 pm : link
is a strong team or not (they are) you would expect a division rival to be much better prepared to play them. We’ve been seeing this same DAL offense for 15 years now, you would think we’d have a handle on it by now. We look like we have no idea what they do.
I hope the drubbing that we just endured ...  
Manny in CA : 9/10/2019 12:56 pm : link

Is not wasted. The weaknesses that were so vividly exposed all need to be addressed.

Bottom line - The old vets, they're not going to get better. The young guys, they need to play, to grow; Jones, Connelly, X-Man, Ballentine Baker. I'd even like to see that kid LB on the practice squad, Tauaefa get a shot.
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 9/10/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14570207 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Thank you for a excellent review.

With Bettcher in his second year, are you seeing any flaws in the system itself or how he is calling games?

I understand there are some young players and talent deficiencies, but am curious to know if you are seeing trends with his defense that are being exploited.


Can't say I have the credibility to knock on the scheme.

But the biggest issue is this team can't generate pressure with 4, maybe even 5 rushers. They have to blitz, leaving the cover guys susceptible.
If players suck and can't play . . . .  
TC : 9/10/2019 1:49 pm : link
that's on them, and on those that acquired them. And while there's enough of that, there's even more not knowing WTF to do. And that's all on the coaches. And specifically a big, stinky t*rd on Betcher's doorstep. And he needs to clean that up.

If the defense is predicated on pressure and man cover, and you've got players who can't apply pressure, and can't cover in man, what are you going to do? You can't replace the whole roster, so you better make the best use of what you've got, and make sure they know what to do.

RE: Great review  
ColHowPepper : 9/10/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14570279 ij_reilly said:
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It looks like it may be time for me to eat crow regarding Halapio. I will happily do so.
Couple months ago I started a thread on Halapio. The gist of the thread was that he was more or less completely unproven (he was, maybe still is?), that FO was taking a big gamble in not grabbing a 'better', more experienced C. I didn't dump on his play because there weren't enough snaps over 1+ games to know whether he was bad.

All that said, it was a thread that raised serious doubts about Halapio. If they are being put to rest, am happy to eat that cold dish of crow too.
RE: RE: RE: Oline looked solid against a purported all world star studded D  
BillKo : 9/10/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14570281 Bramton1 said:
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But according to QBR, he didn't have quite as bad a performance as that shitbag Eli Manning.


Nice.
RE: RE: I do worry a little about  
BillKo : 9/10/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14570191 weaverpsu said:
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In comment 14570103 Dnew15 said:


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sending Baker out there and getting his confidence shook. A big part of his game at Georgia was the swagger with which he played.

Remembering Corey Webster's career - taking your lumps as a CB and coming back is hard, but not impossible.



Oh please. If you lose your confidence after a few games, it's likely you never had it. You know what would have been smart though? Putting Jenkins on Cooper all day, since he is by far, our best corner right now.


And getting Hamilton out of there and inserting Ballentine.

It's decisions - or lack of - that drive me crazy with NFL coaches.

Don't coach in fear, go get the victory.
44 passes  
Pep22 : 9/10/2019 2:06 pm : link
6 > 15 yards

The QB lost his courage for the game a while back. Look, OBJ has his own issues for sure, but when he said it was getting harder and harder to be successful here, he was referring to the QB not being willing to stay engaged long enough to throw a deep ball. Think about Watson's 2 passes on his last drive last night. When is the last time NYG went over the top like that? Our guy would rather check down or do his "hurl himself on the ground" routine. And when you don't present a deep threat, DBs get to walk their way closer to the LOS and take away space/opportunity.
Pep...  
Tesla : 9/10/2019 2:23 pm : link
I don't know if our QB has lost his courage for the game or not....but that video Dallas just released sure as hell shows that our opponents think he has. They were laughing at Eli for how afraid he was to get hit.
Saw the highlights after hearing game on fan  
idiotsavant : 9/10/2019 3:05 pm : link
Looked closer regarding coverages than it sounded .

LBs and safeties letting TEs get off the line completely untouched and unshadowed. Couple of missed guesses and couple of DBs having trouble with larger wrs.

Biting on run action and avoiding or ignoring tight ends
RE: RE: RE: Oline looked solid against a purported all world star studded D  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/10/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14570281 Bramton1 said:
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In comment 14569728 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Well Eli is on pace for 4800 yards, 95 QBR and a 68% completion to trigger corner.elihatecentral.com XD



Uh, Eli’s QBR was 22.4 His YPA was 6.95.

To quote Sy, the “cement footed QB” missed some key opportunities Sunday. He wasn’t dreadful but he wasn’t able to create enough points either.



I don't trust a rating system that you can't verify by putting in the data yourself. Those kind of rating systems can be manipulated to back up an agenda.

Because you're right. Eli wasn't dreadful. He just didn't create enough points. But a 22.3 QBR is dreadful. By comparison, Mayfield threw three picks. His QB rating said he sucked. So did his QBR. But according to QBR, he didn't have quite as bad a performance as that shitbag Eli Manning.

Shitbag Eli? Ban this troll.
Kudos Eric.  
MOOPS : 9/10/2019 4:01 pm : link
Front page picture for the win.
RE: After  
Canton : 9/10/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14569567 Eric from BBI said:
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reading Sy's take, I may force myself to re-watch the game just to watch Halapio.


Need to tweet Baldy to get some 22 tape...
Good thing about Pio ...  
Manny in CA : 9/10/2019 9:20 pm : link

From what I know is that he's never played center before. So, I think we need to give the man a lot of respect; I'm thinking he can't help but get better as he plays more.
After watching 2 replays of the game, yes I'm a masocist  
PatersonPlank : 9/10/2019 10:07 pm : link
I am of the opinion that the offense is going to be fine. We moved the ball a lot, we just shot ourselves in the foot with bad playcalling/mistakes. Also Dallas is a good D.

However our defense is awful, it may be beyond repair.

It's not the offense's fault. So having said that, I am of the mindset that replacing Eli because we only scored 17 is wrong. We will score points with Eli, and he will put up stats. However if we don't think the D will get better, and this is another list season, then what's the point. Wait until after the NE game, trade Eli to the Jags, and put in Jones.
I can't wait until the Cowboy's bimbette is not shown on BBI!  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/11/2019 3:09 pm : link
I detest seeing anything related to the Dallas franchise shown on this site. I don't care if she's hot or not! Take the Cowgirl's cheerleader off this site!
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