I didn't catch their game/haven't read much about their performance. What happened to the media's darlings? Anyone catch the game? I saw Odell was wearing some absurdly expensive bling.
I must admit I used to have a soft spot for the Brownies. Not anymore with all their yapping.
As many people believed, their OL is GARBAGE and mayfield was rattled a ton. i loved watching them play like shit. i hope it continues and OBJ bitches, moans and gives them as big a headache he gave us with his antics and injuries and shit.
When they finally scored again, the defense immediately allowed a 75 yard screen pass to Derrick Henry (who isn't exactly Tyreek Hill out there). Mayfield followed that up with a few picks that put the game FAR away.
The Titans are an ugly team but they’re very solid up front on both sides of the ball. All the stat dorks overlook them because they don’t have any flashy skill guys that pop on stats.
We saw this first hand last year in Giants stadium. The Giants were riding high on a little win streak and they came in and punched them in the mouth with ugly smash mouth football.
The countdown to implosion is on in Cleveland. Kitchens is a doofus yokel who doesn’t have the chops to refocus all of those personalities. The Browns are a bunch of paper tigers without the pelts to backup the hype.
The Titans are an ugly team but they’re very solid up front on both sides of the ball. All the stat dorks overlook them because they don’t have any flashy skill guys that pop on stats.
We saw this first hand last year in Giants stadium. The Giants were riding high on a little win streak and they came in and punched them in the mouth with ugly smash mouth football.
The countdown to implosion is on in Cleveland. Kitchens is a doofus yokel who doesn’t have the chops to refocus all of those personalities. The Browns are a bunch of paper tigers without the pelts to backup the hype.
Very well-said all around, nice post.
I live in Nashville and agree the Titans are the last team anyone is talking about, but they were a week 17 win away from the playoffs last year and I really think Vrabel is a better coach than given credit for.
People overlook the importance of being strong upfront (on BOTH sides of the ball), it's probably the most important piece to having any hope of having a winning season in football at any level. Football is won and lost in the trenches, period.
Thought defense would be better - Titans not an offensive juggernaut.
Beckham looked good - Landry even better
Sheldon Richardson - late hit - on QB personal foul. Titan balls in redzone 3rd and 4 - Richardson jumps offsides
And it leads to undisciplined play because they THINK they are better without actually going out and proving it.
The way they've gone about the offseason is acting as if just stepping on the field is going to be a win. We'll see how they respond, but when you have guys having personal fouls out of frustration, I bet it won't be positive.
Dumbest thing I saw yesterday was Miles Jack flipping out after he got ejected for hitting a KC Chief in full view of everyone watching the game. What did he think was going to happen? If Minshew didn't look good after he came in, that would've been a complete and total disaster of a game for Jacksonville.
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They have a trash OL and a bunch of losers in their front 7 on D.
The Titans are an ugly team but they’re very solid up front on both sides of the ball. All the stat dorks overlook them because they don’t have any flashy skill guys that pop on stats.
We saw this first hand last year in Giants stadium. The Giants were riding high on a little win streak and they came in and punched them in the mouth with ugly smash mouth football.
The countdown to implosion is on in Cleveland. Kitchens is a doofus yokel who doesn’t have the chops to refocus all of those personalities. The Browns are a bunch of paper tigers without the pelts to backup the hype.
Very well-said all around, nice post.
I live in Nashville and agree the Titans are the last team anyone is talking about, but they were a week 17 win away from the playoffs last year and I really think Vrabel is a better coach than given credit for.
People overlook the importance of being strong upfront (on BOTH sides of the ball), it's probably the most important piece to having any hope of having a winning season in football at any level. Football is won and lost in the trenches, period.
The Titans are a tough squad. If the Giants could switch their OL and D front 7 with the Titans they’d be a legitimate SB threat that no one would be talking about.
The Titans are consistent, solid QB play away from being a threat imv.
1)they were overhyped
2)Titans defense is for real
I honestly didn’t understand the firing of Williams (and promotion of Kitchens) at all. Williams goes 5-3 as interim head coach, why mess with whatever chemistry/hierarchy/dynamic you have there already? The guy has been a respected D coordinator in this league for literally decades, he actually had some head coaching experience with the Bills for 3 years. Even if flawed, He knows how an NFL team is run and how to manage NFL players, plain and simple. You’re going to throw him out and promote Kitchens, who’s very first year as an OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was 2018 (before that he was just a positions coach). I did not understand the logic at all and I could not understand how so many people were picking them to win the super bowl with a completely unproven head coach.
Dirty motherfucker.
Not like the old days when the Sunday morning ESPN preview showed you the 10 biggest hits of the prior week.
Can't believe that tech hasn't produced better protective gear. Aren't they wearing essentially the same helmets that they were wearing sixty years ago?
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Gregg Williams. He was the guy who actually caused the "turnaround". Jettisoning him for Kitchens was a huge mistake.
I honestly didn’t understand the firing of Williams (and promotion of Kitchens) at all. Williams goes 5-3 as interim head coach, why mess with whatever chemistry/hierarchy/dynamic you have there already? The guy has been a respected D coordinator in this league for literally decades, he actually had some head coaching experience with the Bills for 3 years. Even if flawed, He knows how an NFL team is run and how to manage NFL players, plain and simple. You’re going to throw him out and promote Kitchens, who’s very first year as an OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was 2018 (before that he was just a positions coach). I did not understand the logic at all and I could not understand how so many people were picking them to win the super bowl with a completely unproven head coach.
Which again highlights a blind spot with stat dorks. They don’t know how to evaluate coaching or how to quantify good coaching from bad coaching. They see productivity an automatically quantify that with solid coaching. That’s not always the case.
Kitchens is a doofus. Your reasonably educated fan wouldn’t be able to distinguish between Kitchens the NFL head coach and Yokel McGee the local Alabama Wal-Mart assistant manager. It boggles my mind some of the decisions that multi billion dollar businesses (NFL teams) make regarding the leadership of their product.
Now they should trade Barkley for a pass rush. He'll just be wasting his prime years here anyway playing for a losing team. In his best interest.
Nothing can turn a team around faster than a fearsome pass rush. Covers a multitude of sins in the rest of your defense.
Said with a wink.
Or maybe only a half-wink.
2. Starting LT thrown out of game for kicking someone in the head
3. Backup OL didn't get the job done
4. Baker picked off twice and both throws looked to be softballs for the D.
Undisciplined? poorly coached? sure sounds like the giants defense...
I think you would absolutely have to take that offer.
Which again highlights a blind spot with stat dorks. They don’t know how to evaluate coaching or how to quantify good coaching from bad coaching. They see productivity an automatically quantify that with solid coaching. That’s not always the case.
Oh yeah, that sounds exactly what "stat dorks" would do.
Just remember, your buddy Gettleman is the one who hired Shurmur, Cleveland's reject. So the joke here is definitely on you.
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Gregg Williams. He was the guy who actually caused the "turnaround". Jettisoning him for Kitchens was a huge mistake.
I honestly didn’t understand the firing of Williams (and promotion of Kitchens) at all. Williams goes 5-3 as interim head coach, why mess with whatever chemistry/hierarchy/dynamic you have there already? The guy has been a respected D coordinator in this league for literally decades, he actually had some head coaching experience with the Bills for 3 years. Even if flawed, He knows how an NFL team is run and how to manage NFL players, plain and simple. You’re going to throw him out and promote Kitchens, who’s very first year as an OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was 2018 (before that he was just a positions coach). I did not understand the logic at all and I could not understand how so many people were picking them to win the super bowl with a completely unproven head coach.
Which again highlights a blind spot with stat dorks. They don’t know how to evaluate coaching or how to quantify good coaching from bad coaching. They see productivity an automatically quantify that with solid coaching. That’s not always the case.
Kitchens is a doofus. Your reasonably educated fan wouldn’t be able to distinguish between Kitchens the NFL head coach and Yokel McGee the local Alabama Wal-Mart assistant manager. It boggles my mind some of the decisions that multi billion dollar businesses (NFL teams) make regarding the leadership of their product.
Great point. And it's the most of a Browns thing to do. I'm, sure Williams got the boot more for personal reasons or something ego-related(ownership simply not liking him as a personality representing the team perhaps?) rather than being based on actual football knowledge. But there's a reason why the Browns have been SO bad for SO long... this was just another instance of them basically overthinking/outsmarting themselves. It looked like they picked the right QB in the draft, were putting together a nice roster, even found the right coaching dynamic when they got rid of the useless Hue Jackson. They finish the 2nd half of the season 5-3 after going 3-36-1 leading up to that. They looked like they finally turned a corner. So what do they do? Fire a long-time proven veteran and promote an unproven slack-jawed yokel who has one year of experience as an O-coordinator. And they will soon be back to irrelevance after they lose another few games and OBJ complains / fakes an injury and quits the season.