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Can the AFC East be fixed?

I Love Clams Casino : 9/10/2019 9:34 am
In my opinion, that division is ruining football and making it a less watchable game.

If you look from a pure numbers standpoint it's astounding.

Since 2001, the Patriots have participated in 52% of Super Bowls. Ridiculous.

Since 2001 the Patriots have won the AFC East 16 out of 18 years. The only OTHER AFC East playoff participants in that time fared as follows:

In 2002, the Jets had 1 victory in the playoffs, and in 2008, Miami lost immediately. That's it.

1993 was the last time an AFC East team OTHER than the Patriots participated in a Superbowl, The Bills who lost to the Cowboys. In 1993 Bill Clinton BECAME President for the next 8 years. Pretty sure BBI didn't even exist.
The last team other than the Patriots to WIN a Super Bowl from the AFC East was in 1973, The Miami Dolphins.

Going back this far, to 1993 and 1973, the Patriots didn't have "IT" yet, but there was already a void.

This is RIDICULOUS. The Patriots have a team building system and it's much better than other NFL teams systems. It's not a team. It's a computer program. It's an algorithm. The Patriots do not scout players. It's probably 1000 or more different player characteristics, criteria, attributes. It's almost cheating. The system spits out a player. If he's not there, the system spits out the next player. These players are puzzle pieces, and they have unique shapes which fit into the New England system, plug them in elsewhere, and the net effect just isn't the same.

I wish somebody would hack the Patriots and figure out what they're doing.

Is my supposition of how they do it completely out of bounds? If you think about it, and look at those numbers, am I really crazy about how they do it?

Rant over.
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Part of the reason I posted this -  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/10/2019 10:09 am : link
I went to a sports bar on Sunday to check out the game and I went early. I watched this poor bastard watch his Jets completely blow the game to the Bills.

He was so vested in the game and crushed when they lost. I chuckled to myself and thought, "doesn't this poor bastard know that no matter what happens in this game, it just does not matter, the Patriots win the division?" I also had an eye on the Redskins Eagles and even though the Redskins had a lead, I just knew it wouldn't last.

Then I watched my Giants get crushed. Then I monitored the score of the Sunday night game, Patriots crushing the Steelers. I am starting to fear that Philadelphia might be the new Patriots and we are the Jets. God help us if this happens.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2019 10:09 am : link
Giants are 3-2 versus the Patriots since 2007 with the two losses being by a total of four points.
Dolphins  
BSIMatt : 9/10/2019 10:12 am : link
2001, 2008,2016...all losses.

Jets 2001, 2002,2004,2006,2009,2010...6 wins.

Bills 2017 playoffs...loss.

You missed a bunch.
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HomerJones45 : 9/10/2019 10:14 am : link
In comment 14569955 Eric from BBI said:
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I ran the math a couple years ago and the Jets/Bills/Dolphins were about league average teams when excluding games against the Patriots over a period of like a decade+.

I think the Pats would be 12-4 against any division.



You think if the Patriots had to play the Steelers and Ravens four times a year, they would still be 12-4 every year? I don't buy that.
Absolutely. Steelers looked great against the Pats on Sunday night and have been world beaters going into Foxboro.
You have a division which has been dominated by one team for  
Dinger : 9/10/2019 10:15 am : link
2 decades. You can argue that Rex Ryan's Jets challenged them for a couple of years, but really, they play 6 games a year where 4 of them typically are against a new head in their division and the other two are against a coach on his way out. They have better records against the Steelers and Ravens in that time frame but if you had to play those teams twice a year you'd get banged up and exposed a more. I give tons of credit to Brady and BB, to all time greats, but I'm also a bit of a conspiracy theorist and believe they will do everything they can to gain an advantage, legal or illegal(NFL game wise).
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pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 10:16 am : link
In comment 14569964 Big Rick in FL said:
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2009 and 2010 from history. The Jets went to back to back AFC Championship games.

they lost to the Colts and Steelers.

The AFC East is better top to bottom than the NFC East during the Patriots dynasty.

And did you ever consider it's the Patriots being so good that makes the other AFC East teams records worse, not the other way around.

To support my comment you only need to look at the Patriots record out of division (better than in division) and out of conference (better than in division).

Delete this post.



What are you basing the AFC East being better than the NFC East?

Pats > Giants
Eagles > Jets
Cowboys > Miami
Washington > Buffalo


Your language is way too subjective.

Like most teams the Cowboys and Eagles have had ups and downs.

The Cowboys have had just 7 winning seasons since 2001.
The Jets have had 8 winning seasons in that time frame.

the Cowboys have won 2 playoff games in that time, the Jets have won double that many games.

The Dolphins have had 6 winning seasons in that time
The Giants have had 8 winning seasons in that time (2 SB wins)

The Eagles have had 12 winning seasons in that time (1 SB win)
The Patriots have had 18 winning seasons in that time (6 SB's)

The Bills have had just 3 winning seasons in that time
The Redskins have had just 4 winning seasons in that time

so my premise is still a) the Patriots being so consistently dominant CAUSES their division rivals to be worse in the standings every year MORE than the division rivals being bad CAUSES the Patriots to breeze into the post season.

Sagarin used to have division rankings on USA Today, not sure if he still does, but the science behind his rankings squarely refutes any attempt to explain away the Patriots success due to a weak division.
Patriots take advantage of an entire league that's been weakened  
ghost718 : 9/10/2019 10:24 am : link
but yeah, the AFC East has to get it's act together.

The Jets might be our only hope
It’s both. The division has been a gift to the Patriots post season  
Ben in Tampa : 9/10/2019 10:24 am : link
chances

But to dismiss the level of success they’ve had because of their division is just short sighted.

For example, the Colts absolutely dominated the AFC South from 2003-2010 and produced exactly 1 world championship winner.
I hate the Patriots to be clear  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 10:28 am : link
only slightly less than the NFC East teams, but it's time to drop this fallacy.


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Potential knocks against the Patriots' dynasty are fleeting fast. If you thought the Patriots' regular season dominance had to do with a consistently weak AFC East, think again.

Field Yates did his best "MythBusters" impression when he tweeted out a series of Patriots win-loss records against their division and the NFL's best since 2001.

While the Patriots' 86-24 record against the AFC East is staggering, their winning percentage (134-44, .753) against everyone else is the best in the NFL, while they have 25 more non-division victories than any other team.

New England's record against eventual division winners (24-14) makes them the only team in the NFL with a winning record in this category. Against teams who eventually made the playoffs in a given season, the Patriots (60-33, .645) are the best in the league, with the Steelers at a not-so-close second with a .480 winning percentage.

Their success against teams who finished with a winning record (75-45, .625) is also an NFL-best mark, with the Steelers trailing by a considerable margin at a .440 winning percentage.

It's settled then. The Patriots don't just take care of business against the AFC East, but no team is even close to their level of success against teams outside their division.

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The Pats' win % is almost identical in- and out-of-division  
Bockman : 9/10/2019 10:31 am : link
Didn't someone do that math in another thread the other day?
Didn't the Jets make it to two AFC championships in a row  
bradshaw44 : 9/10/2019 10:32 am : link
back in 2009/2010?
Why are we relying  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 10:38 am : link
on the AFC East to stop the Patriots?

Last year alone, the Patriots lost 5 games to non playoff teams (Detroit, Titans, Steelers, Dolphins and Jaguars).

Want to know who they beat? Chiefs x2, Colts, Texans, Bears, Chargers and Rams.

Patriots are good because they beat good teams. Not because they play in the AFC East.

The biggest advantage the Patriots have with their division is they could get a first round bye with an 11-5 record while teams last year like the Chargers have to play 3 games on the road as a wild card even though they had a better record at 12-4.

I did the math...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 10:38 am : link
The Pats have won 79% of the AFC East games since 2004.

They have won 78.5% of their non-AFC East games since 2004, and that includes considerably more game.

What we have here is envy - pure and simple. The Pats are the sports greatest dynasty and people just can't reconcile that. I suggest you table your jealousy and enjoy this Haley's Comet of football...

RE: I did the math...  
Bockman : 9/10/2019 10:43 am : link
In comment 14570051 bw in dc said:
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The Pats have won 79% of the AFC East games since 2004.

They have won 78.5% of their non-AFC East games since 2004, and that includes considerably more game.

What we have here is envy - pure and simple. The Pats are the sports greatest dynasty and people just can't reconcile that. I suggest you table your jealousy and enjoy this Haley's Comet of football...


Thank you for this, I thought I remembered reading it.
RE: Patriots take advantage of an entire league that's been weakened  
John In CO : 9/10/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14570019 ghost718 said:
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but yeah, the AFC East has to get it's act together.

The Jets might be our only hope


Nice timing on this subject. The Bills have a VERY legit defense and have completely rebuilt their offense-and I mean damn near every player who started last years first game on offense has been replaced! Offense will take time to jell obviously, but looking forward to seeing what they have this weekend and what we can do with that defense.
Little Bill  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/10/2019 10:54 am : link
Seems to quote Sun Tzu to his team, not surprising with his quasi-military background. Principles he adheres to is always adapt, deception, study and know yourself and your opponent, utilized every advantage possible.

Unlike the Giants running constantly poorly disguised predictable Cover 0 against Amari Cooper with a brand new secondary.
I also mentioned this other day...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 10:57 am : link
when this Pats envy bubbled to the surface.

The AFC East could have looked a lot differently if the 2002 re-alignment didn't take the Colts out of the AFC East. Both conferences re-aligned to 4 divisions and the Colts got moved to the AFC South.

Which leads me to this. If Peyton didn't have the major neck injury, this same conversation likely occurs for the AFC South, assuming Peyton is still playing, because the Colts dominated the AFC South like the Pats have dominated the AFC East.
AFC East is terrible  
WillVAB : 9/10/2019 11:00 am : link
The Pats don’t have to do much to win that division every year. Who has had a decent QB in that division to compete the last 20 years? Pats backup QBs would be the best QB for the rest of the division over the last 20 years.

I also don’t think you can just transpose Pats record vs Balt/Pitt and conclude they’d smoke that division as well. The Pats lose some division games here and there as is even when they’re heavy favorites.

The Pats don’t have a sense of urgency in the division because none of those teams are ever a threat. It’s like the Pats use division games to warm up for tough conference games and late season games because those games mean more in terms of byes/tie breakers and playoff readiness. Usually by week 12-13 the Pats have already locked up the division. They’re rarely in a dogfight to win the division.

NFCE is no comparison over the same time period. Two teams are essentially lock playoff teams out of the NFCE and they’ve had years with 3 playoff teams. The AFCN would be a tough division as well.

The Pats are a dynasty, probably the greatest dynasty in sports. But they’ve had a competitive advantage every year by essentially being able to sleepwalk to a division title every single year.

This year will be no different. Jets, Bills, and Dolphins look to be picking top 10 this year. Miami is the worst team in the league.
RE: AFC East is terrible  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14570096 WillVAB said:
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The Pats don’t have a sense of urgency in the division because none of those teams are ever a threat. It’s like the Pats use division games to warm up for tough conference games and late season games because those games mean more in terms of byes/tie breakers and playoff readiness. Usually by week 12-13 the Pats have already locked up the division. They’re rarely in a dogfight to win the division.



Yeah, Bill Belichick clearly overlooks the rest of the AFC East. He's not the greatest coach or anything because he doesn't take anyone for granted. Nope. Bunch of bullshit.
The  
AcidTest : 9/10/2019 11:07 am : link
other teams need to play and draft better.
How about instead of doing  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 11:07 am : link
the mental gymnastics on move the Patriots to another division. How about moving the Buffalo Bills to the NFC East. Would they be as bad as they are now? I doubt it.

Every division is a crap shoot except the AFC East. That's because the Patriots are the greatest dynasty ever.
If the Giants...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 11:08 am : link
were dominating the NFCE over the last 20 years like the Pats would this thread exist?

Belichick  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/10/2019 11:33 am : link
is just so much better than everybody else imo. Coaches, players leave and it just keeps rolling along. Other factors:

1. Bill used his defensive genius to build a offensive system to consistently beat NFL defenses. The exception being teams that get get to Brady with their front 4 and those that can run the ball.

2. Ernie Adams. This is Bill's right hand man as there is little known of him which I think is by design. This guy is the one who talks to Bill on his headset during games. Ernie was hired by Ray Perkins and he brought Belichick to the Giants. I really think this guy plays a crucial role.

When comparing AFC East versus NFC East I think the big difference has been the NFC East has been the tougher teams at the line of scrimmage and especially on defense. Sure you had pass happy Miami with Marino, the k-gun with Buffalo but really never the great defenses. For all the Pittsburgh-Baltimore talk, the NFC East historically has been a Very hard-nosed division.

Little Bill is no doubt the greatest of all time imo but how would he have fared if say the coaches in his division were Parcells, Gibbs and Ryan? Or more modern Reid and Coughlin twice a year? Maybe not the automatic first week bye every year. Who has he gone up against? Edwards, Rex, Mangino, all the failed Miami and Buffalo coaches. That coupled with those teams front offices certainly has helped imo?

Pats get  
GiantsRage2007 : 9/10/2019 11:40 am : link
On average 5 free wins a year in the AFC East

Basically they are 5-1 to begin the year... just go 5-5 the other 10 games and you're 10-6.... every damn year

Then factor in that they are actually, you know... good... and that 5-5 is more like 6-4 or 7-3 most years and you're at 11-5 or 12-4 with a 1st round bye and/or home-field yearly.

If the teams in the AFC could just split with them, you know, on occasion... and maybe give them a run for the division... ahhh - someday



RE: I did the math...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/10/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14570051 bw in dc said:
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The Pats have won 79% of the AFC East games since 2004.

They have won 78.5% of their non-AFC East games since 2004, and that includes considerably more game.

What we have here is envy - pure and simple. The Pats are the sports greatest dynasty and people just can't reconcile that. I suggest you table your jealousy and enjoy this Haley's Comet of football...


I don't know if we have to enjoy it...
Perfectly balanced..  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 11:46 am : link
just get Thanos and his big dumb purple ass down here to fix this mess.
Of  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2019 11:50 am : link
course we're all jealous of the Patriots. You'd be nuts if you weren't.

But give me a guaranteed 5-1 record in my division every year and I like my chances to be in the conference championship game. And then you are 50/50 to be in the Super Bowl.

Now the argument here seems to be would the Patriots be 5-1 in ANY division EVERY year. I have a hard time accepting that. And yes, there is a difference between 5-1 and 4-2... it may mean another playoff game, a road playoff game, etc.

The bottom-line results strongly suggest the modern-day Patriots are just as imposing as the 1960s Packers, 1970s Steelers, 1980s 49ers. But are they? Or is the league more watered down?
for example  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/10/2019 11:54 am : link
what the 49ers did was extremely impressive when you consider the other teams of the decade... Redskins, Giants, Bears, Cowboys.
RE: RE: Did you just erase  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/10/2019 11:56 am : link
In comment 14569964 Big Rick in FL said:
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2009 and 2010 from history. The Jets went to back to back AFC Championship games.

they lost to the Colts and Steelers.

The AFC East is better top to bottom than the NFC East during the Patriots dynasty.

And did you ever consider it's the Patriots being so good that makes the other AFC East teams records worse, not the other way around.

To support my comment you only need to look at the Patriots record out of division (better than in division) and out of conference (better than in division).

Delete this post.



What are you basing the AFC East being better than the NFC East?

Pats > Giants
Eagles > Jets
Cowboys > Miami
Washington > Buffalo

Now do it again with their actual standings from last year. It's a lot easier to make the NFC East look good if you waste the worst team against the AFC East's best.

Was that intentionally misleading or you just didn't understand how that would skew your comparison?
The Pats Era...  
bw in dc : 9/10/2019 11:58 am : link
is more imposing because the economics of a hard cap and the YoY roster turnover. It's preposterous what they are doing...

The Packers, Steelers, Raiders of the '60s and '70s could horde players and didn't have to deal with free agency or just more teams in the way.

San Fran is the only dynasty in the conversation with the Pats. But they also did it without the cap. However, they were incredible innovators and played during an amazing era in the NFC.
Giants are home dogs to the Bills  
shyster : 9/10/2019 12:03 pm : link
and if NYG does not take control of the game, the many Bills' fans present who are very excited to watch their 1-0 team will be making themselves heard.

I claim no crystal ball but do think it advisable to see what happens Sunday before proclaiming who, exactly, is making football less watchable.
Brady and BB  
Les in TO : 9/10/2019 12:03 pm : link
Will eventually retire or slow down. When they do, the East should be more competitive
Would any team in the NFC East  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 12:07 pm : link
go over to the AFC East and just go year after year 6-0 or at worst 4-2 for a decade plus in that division? (Bills, Dolphins, Jets)
RE: Brady and BB  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/10/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14570236 Les in TO said:
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Will eventually retire or slow down. When they do, the East should be more competitive


I feel like people have been saying this for 5, 6 years.
Pats  
rocco8112 : 9/10/2019 12:12 pm : link
need a higher league. What that franchise has done is unreal. I for one can't wait for the Thursday night road game in Foxboro. I am sure our boys in blue will give them a real good game.
RE: I did the math...  
jestersdead : 9/10/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14570051 bw in dc said:
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The Pats have won 79% of the AFC East games since 2004.

They have won 78.5% of their non-AFC East games since 2004, and that includes considerably more game.

What we have here is envy - pure and simple. The Pats are the sports greatest dynasty and people just can't reconcile that. I suggest you table your jealousy and enjoy this Haley's Comet of football...


It would be interesting to see what the winning percentage is for the other 3 teams during the same period
RE: RE: I did the math...  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/10/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14570290 jestersdead said:
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The Pats have won 79% of the AFC East games since 2004.

They have won 78.5% of their non-AFC East games since 2004, and that includes considerably more game.

What we have here is envy - pure and simple. The Pats are the sports greatest dynasty and people just can't reconcile that. I suggest you table your jealousy and enjoy this Haley's Comet of football...




It would be interesting to see what the winning percentage is for the other 3 teams during the same period


The combined record for the rest of the AFC East is .443, the near equivalent of having a 7-9 record.

Put another way, over the last 7 years, the combined win percentage of the 3 teams from the AFC East is higher than the Giants win percentage the last 7 years (.431 vs. .419).
What would be  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 12:49 pm : link
a better measure would the other 3 teams in the AFC East record in games not against the Patriots.
I see both sides of this  
Enzo : 9/10/2019 1:03 pm : link
and I think both sides are right. The Pats do beat everybody - and their AFC East opponents have simply been lousy for most of the seasons since 2001. What was the best Dolphins/Jets/Bills season since then? Other than the Browns and Raiders, have any AFC teams been as bad as the Jets/Dolphins/Bills since 2001?
The Pats are simply smarter than everybody else ...  
Manny in CA : 9/10/2019 1:22 pm : link

Bill, "Skunk Works" Ernie Adams, OL Genius Coach Dante Scarnecchia and Tom.

They morph, take the head cases from other teams and clean them up, discard the losers quicker than anybody else. They simply DO everything that other teams wish they had the guts to do better and with more efficiency.
RE: I see both sides of this  
BigBlueinChicago : 9/10/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14570350 Enzo said:
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and I think both sides are right. The Pats do beat everybody - and their AFC East opponents have simply been lousy for most of the seasons since 2001. What was the best Dolphins/Jets/Bills season since then? Other than the Browns and Raiders, have any AFC teams been as bad as the Jets/Dolphins/Bills since 2001?


Since 2001:

Buffalo: 5 seasons of 8-8 or better
Best season: 9-7 on 3 occasions

NY Jets: 9 seasons of 8-8 or better
Best season: 11-5 in 2010

Miami: 7 seasons of 8-8 or better
Best season: 11-5 in 2008

Basically, the Dolphins and Jets have been essentially average franchises with the Jets being a bit above average based on their W/L records. Just based on their yearly records, if you replaced the Patriots in their schedule with just a somewhat above average team, their records likely would be better.

If you compare the Bills and the Redskins the last 18 years, they are about the same team.
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WillVAB : 9/10/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14570107 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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The Pats don’t have a sense of urgency in the division because none of those teams are ever a threat. It’s like the Pats use division games to warm up for tough conference games and late season games because those games mean more in terms of byes/tie breakers and playoff readiness. Usually by week 12-13 the Pats have already locked up the division. They’re rarely in a dogfight to win the division.





Yeah, Bill Belichick clearly overlooks the rest of the AFC East. He's not the greatest coach or anything because he doesn't take anyone for granted. Nope. Bunch of bullshit.


When was the last time the Pats were a dog in a division game?

The Pats would be dogs on the road plenty vs Steelers/Ravens/Eagles/Cowboys etc if those games were considered division games.

The Pats will have the AFC least locked up in November. That shit wouldn’t happen in a more consistently competitive division.
RE: I see both sides of this  
pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 1:50 pm : link
In comment 14570350 Enzo said:
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and I think both sides are right. The Pats do beat everybody - and their AFC East opponents have simply been lousy for most of the seasons since 2001. What was the best Dolphins/Jets/Bills season since then? Other than the Browns and Raiders, have any AFC teams been as bad as the Jets/Dolphins/Bills since 2001?


Do people just come on here and not read anything and then post? This is rhetorical.

Reading is actually fundamental, it's not just a catchy phrase, reading is fundamental to learning.

the Jets went to TWO AFC title games back to back in 2009 and 2010. Those teams had really good defense and decent offense.

that's the same number of titles game appearances the Giants have been to and two more than either the Redskins or Cowboys have been to in that time frame (as an example).
RE: RE: RE: AFC East is terrible  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/10/2019 1:50 pm : link
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The Pats don’t have a sense of urgency in the division because none of those teams are ever a threat. It’s like the Pats use division games to warm up for tough conference games and late season games because those games mean more in terms of byes/tie breakers and playoff readiness. Usually by week 12-13 the Pats have already locked up the division. They’re rarely in a dogfight to win the division.





Yeah, Bill Belichick clearly overlooks the rest of the AFC East. He's not the greatest coach or anything because he doesn't take anyone for granted. Nope. Bunch of bullshit.



When was the last time the Pats were a dog in a division game?

The Pats would be dogs on the road plenty vs Steelers/Ravens/Eagles/Cowboys etc if those games were considered division games.

The Pats will have the AFC least locked up in November. That shit wouldn’t happen in a more consistently competitive division.


Do you think any of the Steelers/Ravens/Eagles/Cowboys could go over to the AFC East and duplicate the Patriots success within the division?
RE: RE: I see both sides of this  
Enzo : 9/10/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14570429 pjcas18 said:
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and I think both sides are right. The Pats do beat everybody - and their AFC East opponents have simply been lousy for most of the seasons since 2001. What was the best Dolphins/Jets/Bills season since then? Other than the Browns and Raiders, have any AFC teams been as bad as the Jets/Dolphins/Bills since 2001?



Do people just come on here and not read anything and then post? This is rhetorical.

Reading is actually fundamental, it's not just a catchy phrase, reading is fundamental to learning.

the Jets went to TWO AFC title games back to back in 2009 and 2010. Those teams had really good defense and decent offense.

that's the same number of titles game appearances the Giants have been to and two more than either the Redskins or Cowboys have been to in that time frame (as an example).

if those TWO Jet seasons are the two best seasons out of the last FIFTY FOUR combined Jets/Bills/Dolphins seasons....I rest my case.



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pjcas18 : 9/10/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14570501 Enzo said:
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and I think both sides are right. The Pats do beat everybody - and their AFC East opponents have simply been lousy for most of the seasons since 2001. What was the best Dolphins/Jets/Bills season since then? Other than the Browns and Raiders, have any AFC teams been as bad as the Jets/Dolphins/Bills since 2001?



Do people just come on here and not read anything and then post? This is rhetorical.

Reading is actually fundamental, it's not just a catchy phrase, reading is fundamental to learning.

the Jets went to TWO AFC title games back to back in 2009 and 2010. Those teams had really good defense and decent offense.

that's the same number of titles game appearances the Giants have been to and two more than either the Redskins or Cowboys have been to in that time frame (as an example).


if those TWO Jet seasons are the two best seasons out of the last FIFTY FOUR combined Jets/Bills/Dolphins seasons....I rest my case.




Ok. It's the same as the NFC East. the Giants have been to two title games and then there's the Eagles. none for Redskins or Cowboys.

How is that better than the Jets going two title games and then there is the Patriots?

I'm glad you rested your case though.
RE: AFC East is terrible  
Enzo : 9/10/2019 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14570096 WillVAB said:
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The Pats don’t have to do much to win that division every year. Who has had a decent QB in that division to compete the last 20 years?

best might have been Pennington for both the Jets and Dolphins?
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WillVAB : 9/10/2019 3:54 pm : link
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In comment 14570096 WillVAB said:


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The Pats don’t have a sense of urgency in the division because none of those teams are ever a threat. It’s like the Pats use division games to warm up for tough conference games and late season games because those games mean more in terms of byes/tie breakers and playoff readiness. Usually by week 12-13 the Pats have already locked up the division. They’re rarely in a dogfight to win the division.





Yeah, Bill Belichick clearly overlooks the rest of the AFC East. He's not the greatest coach or anything because he doesn't take anyone for granted. Nope. Bunch of bullshit.



When was the last time the Pats were a dog in a division game?

The Pats would be dogs on the road plenty vs Steelers/Ravens/Eagles/Cowboys etc if those games were considered division games.

The Pats will have the AFC least locked up in November. That shit wouldn’t happen in a more consistently competitive division.



Do you think any of the Steelers/Ravens/Eagles/Cowboys could go over to the AFC East and duplicate the Patriots success within the division?


Definitely. Would those teams have the same playoff success and rings? No.

This isn’t to take anything away from the Pats. They’ve put together the most impressive dynasty in sports. But the division they’re in has definitely made their path a lot easier.
Mike Tomlin  
BigBlueCane : 9/10/2019 4:02 pm : link
vs Belicheck is a horrible, horrible mismatch.

Coughlin on the other hand, knew BB and prepped the Giants accordingly.

As someone pointed out, Belicheck and Ernie Adams, combined have re-written everything there is to know about how teams are built and coached at this level yet 99% of the league is too stupid or scared to attempt to do what they've done.
Realignment  
Gruber : 9/10/2019 4:13 pm : link
Geographically, Miami should bump Indianapolis out of the AFC South, who should then bump Baltimore out of the AFC Central and into the AFC East. That would straight away make the East more competitive.
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