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NFT: What was Howard Cosell like?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/10/2019 9:04 pm
Not sure if to label this a FT or NFT since he was involved in both, but I just started reading this biography on him by Mark Ribowsky called 'Howard Cosell: The Man, the Myth, and the Transformation of American Sports'. I'm only 30 odd pages in so I've yet to get to the meat of his career & he's a bit before my time. I'm curious, to the BBIers who were around during his hayday, what did you think of him? I remember reading an article about him a couple of years back that some '70s poll had him as the most beloved & hated TV personality so he definitely invoked strong feelings on both sides.

Did you like him? Did you hate him? Was he as controversial as history made him out to be?
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Howard  
liteamorn : 9/11/2019 8:04 am : link
Announced the John Lennon murder .

You loved to hate Howard, and he played that role well, but when he announced the Lennon murder, he put it all in perspective.
RE: RE: Look at that little Meggett run!  
liteamorn : 9/11/2019 8:18 am : link
In comment 14571264 aquidneck said:
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HC's call during a mid-eighties MNF game featuring the NYG.



Actually, I'm thinking now it was Madden. Guess all things blend together over time.


What Howard caught a lot of flak for for saying was "look at that little Monkey run" in reference to a Redskin (I forget who) .
He made his name  
Gman11 : 9/11/2019 8:25 am : link
as a boxing announcer and was excellent at it. Then, he got a big head and acted like people watched the sports just to listen to him. He became unlistenable. He went from being naturally controversial to forcing it. At the end of his run I couldn't stand him.
He made Monday Night football  
Gettledogman : 9/11/2019 8:28 am : link
a big deal. His halftime highlights were worth the wait. One of the Best narrators ever. One of the best sports entertainment Journalists ever.
Professionals like Cosell, Madden, Keith Jackson  
JonC : 9/11/2019 8:30 am : link
are a big reason today's broadcasts feel so homogenized and ho hum.
RE: Professionals like Cosell, Madden, Keith Jackson  
crick n NC : 9/11/2019 8:32 am : link
In comment 14571298 JonC said:
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are a big reason today's broadcasts feel so homogenized and ho hum.


Real (cosell, Madden, Jackson) vs manufactured (today)

In my opinion.
Cosell complimented me on TV  
Alan in Toledo : 9/11/2019 8:52 am : link
McEnroe vs. Henrik Sundstrom at Forest Hills in May, 1985 where McEnroe won in three sets.

I served as chair umpire for a near-perfectly umpired match. Then, just a couple of weeks later, I (with wife & daughter) sat right next to McEnroe & Tatum in a play shown in a small theater on, I believe, west 42nd St.
Alan  
Bill2 : 9/11/2019 9:11 am : link
I was there for that match. Cant say I remember the Chief Umpire. Went to see McEnroe

Very cool. Bravo. That's a cool and unique experience
RE: RE: Professionals like Cosell, Madden, Keith Jackson  
JonC : 9/11/2019 9:13 am : link
In comment 14571302 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14571298 JonC said:


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are a big reason today's broadcasts feel so homogenized and ho hum.



Real (cosell, Madden, Jackson) vs manufactured (today)

In my opinion.


Very few are really good and unique at their job these days. It's the old 80s joke about stuffing a talking mannequin up there in front of the camera. Or, it's just a product of me being older and feeling like I've seen it all, and few stick out.

Even my crush Diana Russini needs some improvement on her field work.
Hated him  
Post Time : 9/11/2019 9:18 am : link
He kissed Ali's ass but Ali treated him like his little bitch, which Cosell tried to laugh off.

Surprised nobody mentioned the little monkey comment...
Too young to have seen him on TV  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2019 9:27 am : link
other than the occasional interview. My father generally hated him, though he did say the one thing Cosell did well was boxing.

Dad blamed him for coining a term he hated,"foot speed" - "The hell does that mean? What other kind of speed is there when you're talking about how fast someone runs? Just say speed"
RE: RE: RE: Professionals like Cosell, Madden, Keith Jackson  
crick n NC : 9/11/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14571341 JonC said:
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In comment 14571302 crick n NC said:


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In comment 14571298 JonC said:


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are a big reason today's broadcasts feel so homogenized and ho hum.



Real (cosell, Madden, Jackson) vs manufactured (today)

In my opinion.



Very few are really good and unique at their job these days. It's the old 80s joke about stuffing a talking mannequin up there in front of the camera. Or, it's just a product of me being older and feeling like I've seen it all, and few stick out.

Even my crush Diana Russini needs some improvement on her field work.


👍
RE: Cosell complimented me on TV  
AndyMilligan : 9/11/2019 9:57 am : link
In comment 14571319 Alan in Toledo said:
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McEnroe vs. Henrik Sundstrom at Forest Hills in May, 1985 where McEnroe won in three sets.

I served as chair umpire for a near-perfectly umpired match. Then, just a couple of weeks later, I (with wife & daughter) sat right next to McEnroe & Tatum in a play shown in a small theater on, I believe, west 42nd St.


great story
Howard  
Carson53 : 9/11/2019 11:26 am : link
could not be described in a few words, one of those
complex individuals. He could be articulate, arrogant,
condescending, compassionate, etc. A lot of layers to that
particular onion. I did enjoy his ongoing repartee with
Ali years ago. I know I read a book about him back in the
day, forget who wrote it? Maybe Dick Schapp?
RE: RE: RE: Look at that little Meggett run!  
Emlen'sGremlins : 9/11/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14571284 liteamorn said:
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In comment 14571234 aquidneck said:


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HC's call during a mid-eighties MNF game featuring the NYG.



Actually, I'm thinking now it was Madden. Guess all things blend together over time.



What Howard caught a lot of flak for for saying was "look at that little Monkey run" in reference to a Redskin (I forget who) .


It was Art Monk.

"I said Monk! I said Monk!"
It was Alvin Garrett  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2019 1:01 pm : link
.
Cosell hated the football draft  
gtt350 : 9/11/2019 2:04 pm : link
said it was the biggest much ado about nothing getting coverage.
He would be rolling over in his grave seeing it today
He was OBNOXIOUS...  
x meadowlander : 9/11/2019 2:12 pm : link
...he was a massive HYPOCRITE in real-time - countless memories of him burying a player or coach with criticism only to sing praises from high heaven after that same person did something amazing - just a massive blowhard - I loved Gifford and it drove me nuts when Cosell would overtake an entire evening, just rambling on and on.

I for one was not entertained by celebrity interviews in the middle of a fucking game. I got annoyed when MNF got bigger than the game.

The sum of that trio was greater than it's parts. Someone here said they were the best trio ever, and I concur - it was a golden age of football and they were a major part of it.

Cosell drove people nuts, but he was also a reason you tuned in.
RE: RE: Fuck it, I'll draw first blood.  
smshmth8690 : 9/11/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14571135 Del Shofner said:
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I hated him. I always thought he was arrogant, full of himself, and he seemed to talk down to people. I remember seeing on tv, a bar that used to have a raffle every Monday Night. The winner of the raffle used to get the honor of throwing a brick through the tv when he came on during Monday Night Football. I loved that! Was he as bad as I remember him, probably not, but since it always seemed like he was sucking up to the Cowboys, Raiders, and Steelers I found him annoying. Probably because the Giants were terrible. I also liked Frazier more than Ali.



all valid Drew - all true. But he monetized that personality and in that sense was way ahead of his time. Can't argue that he drew viewers - "eyeballs" or "hits" in today's internet terms.


That is a perfect comparison.
Loved him as a little kid  
jpkmets : 9/11/2019 3:00 pm : link
He made MNF have this mystique to me.

Probably would hate him now tho. Seems very much of his times.
Simple question - - - - extremely complex answers  
Phil in Joisey : 9/11/2019 6:57 pm : link
I had the privilege (yes privilege) of working with Howard.
First things first: he was the most professional broadcaster I've ever seen. Never utilized a script but if you asked him for 30 seconds, he gave you exactly 30 seconds and he hardly ever used a stop-watch either. He
was charming, funny and kind to those he worked with.
He was a devoted family man. When his wife passed away
he was inconsolable and his own life began to wither.
He revolutionized the art of commentary on radio and tv.
There was no "telling it like it is" before Howard.
Did he have his faults? Surely. His ego was bigger
than the Goodyear blimp. Was he a drunk. Absolutely not! However he did over-indulge one night on the air in
Philadelphia and I don't think he ever lived that one down. He was mortally embarrassed by that mistake but in true Cosell fashion he tried to bluff his way through it claiming it never happened.
Did he help boost ratings? Damn right he did. There is something called the "Q" quota which measures popularity and negativity. Howard led the league in both! Half the audience tuned in because they loved him - - - - the other half tuned in hoping he'd screw up.
His appearances as an after-dinner speaker and host for charity and sports events were unparalleled. Everybody wanted Howard to headline their affair. He gave his time and efforts as frequently as anyone in the business and he was the best. I heard him give a speech at a radio and tv luncheon about the Olympic massacre of the Jewish athletes in Munich that had the entire audience in tears.
His unique voice was dramatic beyond belief. When Howard spoke, you listened!
Did I personally like the man? I adored him! Both on-the-air and in person he was THE man.
A small personal story: One evening my Mother and Father were in a NYC restaurant and there was Howard a few tables away having dinner with an ABC executive. My Dad
had never met Cosell but was a big fan and walked over to his table and introduced himself mentioning that I was his son. Though he was interrupted from his dinner, Howard was quite gracious to my Dad and said some very nice things about me. A few minutes after returning to
my Mom and their table the waiter brought them a bottle of wine saying "Compliments of Mr. Cosell".
Howard Cosell was one helluva guy. May he rest in eternal peace.
Phil in Joisey  
arniefez : 9/12/2019 11:17 am : link
Thank you. That was great to read.
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