...getting to a soft corner?
Lost in all of the gaudy Dak Prescott passing stats were a couple of third down QB runs that looked way too fooking easy. They were killers, prolonging Dallas drives.
I can't recall a Giants defense that has NOT fallen for fake hand-offs that led to QBs waltzing around our end.
Josh Allen will be one more test for a team that has failed so often. Can we play it straight up and honor the edge, or will our defenders just dive for the first fake and allow him soft corners?
Is there anyone on this defense who knows what they are about?
That said it is only one game. After settling down from the beating Sunday a stat that really stood out was Giants 2/10 versus Dallas 6/10 on third down. So basically defense get of the field and offense stay on and everything is fixed!
Allen is very talented and the QB I wanted last year. His has been prone to fumbles and interceptions but don't be surprised if he emerges eventually as the top one from last years class.
2. We have a couple of promising young guys hurt.
3. CB is one of the hardest positions to learn in the NFL.
https://www.nj.com/giants/2019/09/why-giants-as-they-groom-daniel-jones-should-look-at-what-bills-did-with-josh-allen.html
2. We have a couple of promising young guys hurt.
3. CB is one of the hardest positions to learn in the NFL.
Fair points Beer Man. I think the staff is high on Beal and had big plans for him. Baker essentially missed half of camp. But they have to find a way to get some pressure to help the secondary out.
That said it is only one game. After settling down from the beating Sunday a stat that really stood out was Giants 2/10 versus Dallas 6/10 on third down. So basically defense get of the field and offense stay on and everything is fixed!
Allen is very talented and the QB I wanted last year. His has been prone to fumbles and interceptions but don't be surprised if he emerges eventually as the top one from last years class.
You think Bettcher should feel some heat for what?! Not sure there's a DC out there who would be successful with the players we have.
We had 17 players play more than 25% of the snaps and 12 of those players have played in less than 35 career NFL games.
Sure they are talented, but most of them are rookies or 2nd year players. Anybody expecting the defense to be decent this year was delusional. You can't play that many young guys and be successful.
Whose fault is it for not being able to stop the qb from running for first downs on third and long? Players or coaching?
What are they practicing all week long?
Let’s face it....Bettcher was planning against Dallas by looking at last years Cowboys. This is a new offense under a new OC.
Maybe we also need a creative fresh mind calling plays for us. But, knowing we are limited with old stiff Eli, maybe that won’t work. Clearly, Eli’s limitations can’t go away.
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If this defense does not bounce back big time then Betcher should really feel some heat. He has had a lot of input in selecting these
players imo.
That said it is only one game. After settling down from the beating Sunday a stat that really stood out was Giants 2/10 versus Dallas 6/10 on third down. So basically defense get of the field and offense stay on and everything is fixed!
Allen is very talented and the QB I wanted last year. His has been prone to fumbles and interceptions but don't be surprised if he emerges eventually as the top one from last years class.
You think Bettcher should feel some heat for what?! Not sure there's a DC out there who would be successful with the players we have.
We had 17 players play more than 25% of the snaps and 12 of those players have played in less than 35 career NFL games.
Sure they are talented, but most of them are rookies or 2nd year players. Anybody expecting the defense to be decent this year was delusional. You can't play that many young guys and be successful.
Okay Big Rick I am delusional then. Thank you. Sorry, but second year in the system I expect more as a unit. He had a big hand in picking these players. How long are we to wait for improvement? There is enough experienced players that were selected by this staff. Let's see the big jump from last years players.
They have Baker, Lawrence, Ximines, Connelly & McIntosh (Essentially a rookie) playing a good amount of snaps.
I'm not complaining. I knew this was a lost season so I'd rather have the young guys get the experience. There's no possible way you could have expected much from the defense as a whole. Plugging in rookies here and there could possibly work. When 70% of your top guys are somewhere between 1-33 career NFL games it's hard for a defense as a unit to succeed.
We'll see what happens, but to me fans acting like they expected the performance we got on Sunday are missing something.
In regards to Lawrence and Baker, one was the 17th overall pick, and the other we traded up for at 29.
Giving up 350 yards of total offense and 24 points would be reasonable - 490 and 35 by early 4th quarter before calling the dogs off..... Let's keep making excuses.
Let's give it another year or two and then switch out the staff and players and repeat!
In regards to Lawrence and Baker, one was the 17th overall pick, and the other we traded up for at 29.
Giving up 350 yards of total offense and 24 points would be reasonable - 490 and 35 by early 4th quarter before calling the dogs off..... Let's keep making excuses.
Yeah because first round picks normally just come into their first game and dominate. That ALWAYS happens. McIntosh played 25% of the snaps. So he got included.
Expecting the Giants to hold one of the best offenses with the best OL in the NFL to 24 points is just ridiculous. The Cowboys are a very good experienced team. The Giants team is full of inexperience. Which as I said is fine if it's in 1 or 2 positions. It's not. It's all over the defense.
Here are the career games for 13 of the 17 players that played 25% of the snaps
Peppers - 30
Baker - 1
Hill - 17
Carter - 16
Tomlinson - 32
Lawrence - 1
Hamilton - 26
Connelly - 1
Tae - 15
Ximines - 1
McIntosh - 6
Pierre - 24
Haley - 10
Literally one player who has 2 seasons worth of game experience and you expect them to go on the road and stop one of the best offenses in the league? That seems to be a little unfair. Blaming the DC is even more unfair. Nobody is succeeding like that.
Clean pocket, no one near his feet, no one close enough to hurry him, clean vision, step up, like playing catch in 7 on 7
Josh Allen will shred this Giants defense if they play similarly to last week.
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
Agree with you 100%. Our defense is ripe to get ripped apart. Shredded.
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
He also makes a lot worse decisions then Prescott. I don't think our Defense is good, but let's not pretend like Josh Allen is good either. So far he's a below average QB that can run. Obviously that can change, but that's what he's shown so far.
I don't expect our defense to magically turn a corner this weekend, but I also don't expect them to give up 5 consecutive TD drives that look so easy a caveman could do it.
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better be prepared to feel shitty Sunday. He will get yards, he will make plays and he will hit WR's and backs against us. If we let guys run free like we did last week, he will torch us.
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
Agree with you 100%. Our defense is ripe to get ripped apart. Shredded.
+2.
This is the one area our Head Coach was dead on about. To paraphrase what he said several months ago, there comes a time when the QB needs to do something on his own (like run for a first down) that can be the difference between winning and losing. Can Eli all by his lonesome take off at a crucial juncture of the game and keep a drive alive? We all know the answer.
Which is exactly why I don’t understand the premise that the Giants offense did its part Sunday. 2 conversions on third down is no way to sustain drives.
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
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better be prepared to feel shitty Sunday. He will get yards, he will make plays and he will hit WR's and backs against us. If we let guys run free like we did last week, he will torch us.
We are not the Jets front 7. We have to bring extra guys to get pressure and Allen can run. He is more mobile and bigger than Prescott and his arm is a cannon. John Brown is a legit deep threat. Allen's com % may be lower but his big plays will be much higher this year.
I fear that unless the offense dominates, we will be ripe for the Bills who know they played loose with the ball last week and got somewhat lucky. This is a chance to make a statement with two victories on the road to start the season.
This is by far a much tougher game than people think!
Good to hear from someone who actually watched Allen play against the Jets. The guy reminds me of Terry Bradshaw circa 1972. There was one play where Allen escaped the rush, flicked his wrist and threw a rocket that hit the TE between the numbers- 29 yards downfield. Let's hope last week was a good day for him and this week will be a bad day.
He had 4 turnovers. Let's stop pretending he had a good game. He got lucky the Jets Kicker missed an XP & FG.
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NYG absolutely need to find ways to sustain drives and stay on the field offensively. The best thing they can do on Sunday is ride Barkley. The Bills have a really tough secondary, and if we're without Shepard, we just don't have WR's who are going to find much space back there. Trying to throw on them would be a poor game plan. We really need to be run-first on Sunday and Barkley needs a lot more than 11 carries.
Which is exactly why I don’t understand the premise that the Giants offense did its part Sunday. 2 conversions on third down is no way to sustain drives.
We had some drives stall it spots where we couldn't afford it.
But when the defense gives up 5 consecutive TD drives, there's not a whole lot you can do. We just couldn't keep pace.
I wouldn't say the offense did their job incredibly well, but I wasn't that upset by the offense. If the defense could have managed something... anything at all in the way of a few stops or a turnover at a key point... the game would have been winnable.
We did move the ball. I thought Eli was pretty sharp. We just got away from Barkley too fast and were too concerned with fooling the defense than running plays that had the best shot at succeeding.
I think this offense is NFL caliber and good enough to win some games with. But you can't win when your defense is as bad and clueless as ours was on Sunday. We were positively awful in the secondary. No one could make a play, there were blown assignments all over the field. It was just a really poor defensive showing - one that most offenses in this league aren't going to overcome.
That said, we have to control the ball better and stay on the field longer. We can't get cute. Barkley is the best RB in football. 11 carries just isn't going to cut it.
Literally one player who has 2 seasons worth of game experience and you expect them to go on the road and stop one of the best offenses in the league? That seems to be a little unfair. Blaming the DC is even more unfair. Nobody is succeeding like that.
Interesting comments. If you are suggesting inexperience and communication were the real culprits in why we were exposed then there is some merit to that...
However, to me, there were some scheme issues that fall on the DC. For example, Baker, despite having tight coverage skills, struggled and definitely needed over the top help. And I don't think that adjustment was really made.
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Literally one player who has 2 seasons worth of game experience and you expect them to go on the road and stop one of the best offenses in the league? That seems to be a little unfair. Blaming the DC is even more unfair. Nobody is succeeding like that.
Interesting comments. If you are suggesting inexperience and communication were the real culprits in why we were exposed then there is some merit to that...
However, to me, there were some scheme issues that fall on the DC. For example, Baker, despite having tight coverage skills, struggled and definitely needed over the top help. And I don't think that adjustment was really made.
I think there were a bunch of issues. Inexperience, communication, scheme & effort. When looking at the youth on the team I'm not sure how anybody can say the DC is on the hot seat. Would any DC be successful with this group of guys? It's not a knock of the players talent. I think a lot of them will be really good. They are just really young.
Lets hope it was just a bad week 1 matchup for us and the mistakes we have get fixed. When you make mistakes against a good team things seem to get worse in a hurry and I we were not able to recover. Teams are going to play action us to death. The odd thing is we stopped the run so play action should have been less effective and our guys should have been looking for the pass but we fell for it everytime.