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Heisenberg : 9/11/2019 9:02 am
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Tommy Beer
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The hope was that Frank Ntilikina would walk away from this tournament with a boost of confidence... hard to imagine a scenario that would give him more confidence than making arguably the two biggest jumpers in French basketball history to beat Team USA


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Knicks guard Frank Ntilikina hit two big fourth-quarter shots and defended well late in Franceís win over Team USA in the FIBA World Cup. The 21-year-old made a game-tying 3-pointer with 4:30 to play and knocked down a jump shot to put France up 6 with two minutes left.


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Alan Hahn
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In the France upset over US, Frank Ntilikina had 11 points, 3 assists and a steal with +22 in 25:13 of #FIBAWorldCup2019 Quarterfinal. He had 5 points in an 11-0 run that turned the game in the 4Q. Played an excellent role down the stretch for France. #Knicks
11 points.  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/11/2019 9:03 am : link
Max contract.
Good job Frankie  
Oscar : 9/11/2019 9:05 am : link
Hope he makes some real progress this season.
Hopefully it carries over  
larryflower37 : 9/11/2019 9:06 am : link
He is hard to root against.
I would love to see him put it all together and be that 3d guy off the bench we need
Hit the dagger over Celtic Junk Kemba Walker  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2019 9:09 am : link
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RE: Hopefully it carries over  
Heisenberg : 9/11/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14571330 larryflower37 said:
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He is hard to root against.
I would love to see him put it all together and be that 3d guy off the bench we need


You definitely saw that 3 and D potential today. Needs to carry it over to the NBA, of course. Had some nice drives to the rim too.
Don't worry folks... America doesn't suck,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/11/2019 9:32 am : link
just the Boston Celtics.

If Frank can hit jumpers, he can be a NBA role-player. The shot over Kemba was humongous.
He should be the third guard off the bench. I am not  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/11/2019 9:34 am : link
optimistic but I know aside from DSJ and Trier we donít have any worthwhile pieces in the backcourt going forward.

Unrelated, but Emoni Bates is good. The next three classes are fodders until he gets to college.
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Heisenberg : 9/11/2019 9:34 am : link
Tommy Beer
@TommyBeer
France trailed Team USA by seven points when Ntilikina checked back in the game with 8:11 left in the fourth quarter.

France outscored USA by 17 points over the final 8 mins.

Ntilikina (7 pts) outscored Kemba and Donvovan Mitchell combined in 4th quarter
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Didn't help that Donovan Mitchell thought driving the ball directly  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/11/2019 9:37 am : link
at Rudy Gobert was a good idea.
Just what the Knicks need  
ryanmkeane : 9/11/2019 10:08 am : link
a glimmer of hope for Frank so that everyone thinks heís decent now
Increase that trade value!  
Anakim : 9/11/2019 10:12 am : link
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Frank  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2019 11:10 am : link
I still have hopes he can be a good productive solid nba player. Knicks need to give him the opportunity this year. Zero reason to trade him at this lowest value. He looked good this morning.
On the negative side, we have the long history of Frank being  
Heisenberg : 9/11/2019 11:13 am : link
completely miserable offensively. On the positive side, he just turned 21 last month (younger than a bunch of last year's lottery picks, still) and there's still time for him to become a rotation player. I'm rooting for him
RE: On the negative side, we have the long history of Frank being  
TyreeHelmet : 9/11/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14571555 Heisenberg said:
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completely miserable offensively. On the positive side, he just turned 21 last month (younger than a bunch of last year's lottery picks, still) and there's still time for him to become a rotation player. I'm rooting for him


No denying how bad heís been on offense. But what he does bring- high overall IQ and defensive IQ, passing and skilled defense will be needed on this team. They really donít have another good defender besides Mitch who still has room to grow there.
He was always going to be a longterm project...  
Randy_Lahey : 9/11/2019 11:29 am : link
Its easy to embrace that on draft day, but 2 seasons of sucking can feel incredibly long under the New York microscope. This coming year is huge for him and I hope they give him consistent burn.
Yeah sometimes when they say a guy is a 3-4 year project  
Oscar : 9/11/2019 11:56 am : link
On draft day, thatís actually the case. Fans tend to translate that as 3-4 months if not weeks and then trash the guy.

Frank is at least a plus defender right now. Just be patient. Team is not currently in or anywhere near a title window.
Frank  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/11/2019 12:17 pm : link
is a good defender compared to the trash we thrown out there for the past decade. I think we tend to overrate his defense due to the fact heís so horrible offensively.
RE: Yeah sometimes when they say a guy is a 3-4 year project  
81_Great_Dane : 9/12/2019 12:47 am : link
In comment 14571621 Oscar said:
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On draft day, thatís actually the case. Fans tend to translate that as 3-4 months if not weeks and then trash the guy.

Frank is at least a plus defender right now. Just be patient. Team is not currently in or anywhere near a title window.
This.

He was drafted as a teenager. He was literally still growing, which affects coordination. I think we need to see what he turns into, knowing that he could turn into nothing much. But it would be nice to get some return on the investment of a #8 overall pick and two years of development time.
Pop likes foreign players  
Carl in CT : 9/12/2019 12:24 pm : link
I hope he liked him enough to deal for him.
You guys who  
GMEN46 : 9/12/2019 3:52 pm : link
Want the Knicks to just trade frank for nothing know absolutely nothing about basketball. He just turned 21 last week!!! As we all know I begged for the Knicks to take Mitchell, however I have always liked Frankís upside. Picking up the option is a no brainer. You will get all of this season, another offseason and then another full year, which he will only be 23 at the time. Letís trade Payton as soon as we can in December and let Smith jr and frank get a year and a half rotating st the point. I really think Frank can be a very good nba a player. He needs to figure out the 3 point shot for now, but I can really see a future as mark Jackson half court type pg. where he can run some sets out of the post. He has a high IQ and can certainly pass well. Imagine once he develops a little post game how dangerous he could be with his length. He is never going to be a 22 pt a night scorer, but his peak can certainly be 12-14 pts, 6 assists and 5 Rebs with very good defense. You need those guys on a team. Guys who are willing to be the last option offense but can still contribute.
Lost  
DanMetroMan : 9/12/2019 5:25 pm : link
me at Mark Jackson. One of the greatest facilitators and passers in the last 30+ years of the NBA. Jackson averaged 10.6 assists.... as a rookie. He's 4th all-time in assists.
he fuckin' sucks  
Greg from LI : 9/12/2019 5:29 pm : link
End of story. He's the worst guard I've ever seen with a ball in his hands.
frank needs to start concentrating  
nygiants16 : 9/12/2019 6:15 pm : link
on being the best defender he can and knock down 3s, he is not going to be a point guard on this team..

He can be a ball mover and open shooter..He should pattern his game after iguodola..
I often wonder what it would be like if GMEN46 created a post  
PhiPsi125 : 9/12/2019 7:55 pm : link
that didnít remind everyone that he wanted to draft Mitchell. Iím afraid weíll never know.
Yeah, we may over-estimate his defense...  
manh george : 9/12/2019 8:09 pm : link
but his plus-minuses in all of the games of the tournament were dazzling, up to the +22 against team USA. He was +20 to +30 in all of the other games. How does he get that and not be contributing, big, on defense? Not at all clear.

As far as his offense is concerned, he was clearly under-confident. He had dazzling 3-point shooting numbers in the under-18 league tournament. He shot 58.6% from 3-point range. Did that talent disappear, or was he just overwhelmed by the NBA? And, of course, he was hurt a lot, and still growing. Can he play the point? Probably not. Is he the #2 shooting guard behind Barrett? Quite possibly.

The Knicks are going to have a numbers problem at several slots.

It's hard to make the case that Trier and Dotson shouldn't get time, so who sits if Frank is playing the best D on the team and scoring pretty well? People forget that Dotson played from November to the end of the season as a shooting guard with a damaged shoulder. Given that, he could be a really attractive 3 and D this year. And Trier can flat-out score, and is athletic enough to improve as a 2 on D.

There is lots of depth at the 3 as well. Who sits? Who knows?
I think Barrett will play the 3 to start  
Del Shofner : 9/12/2019 8:12 pm : link
just given the numbers. Maybe the 2 is his long-term position, though.

Going to be interesting.
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