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Giants biggest need? After Week 1

superspynyg : 9/11/2019 9:16 am
In the offseason? Either through FA or draft.

Iím going to ask this question a few times at different points in the season.everyomes serious opinion is wanted. There is no wrong answer.

This week is based on how you feel after this 1 game?

Mine...Edgerusher. Our biggest need is an elite pass rusher from the outside. Giving Dak all that time to make throws was terrible. I still believe the cbs will develop. It was Bakers 1st game.

Odd enough going into this game I would have said Elite WR.
I agree that ER is the biggest need.  
Section331 : 9/11/2019 9:18 am : link
I know the DB's struggled, but they're a young group just trying to get their feet wet. If Bethea continues to struggle, I hope they try Love at FS.

My 2nd would be LB, we need a sideline-to-sideline guy in the worst way.
No need to ask every week it will be the same  
larryflower37 : 9/11/2019 9:20 am : link
Anyone to rush the QB.
They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.
Pretty much the same as last year in terms of the D  
ChicagoMarty : 9/11/2019 9:20 am : link
1. ER
2. Pass covering LB
3. Safeties who can cover
4. Cb's who can cover
RE: No need to ask every week it will be the same  
superspynyg : 9/11/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14571361 larryflower37 said:
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Anyone to rush the QB.
They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.


Not every week after week 4, 8, then last game
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arcarsenal : 9/11/2019 9:23 am : link
The secondary won't look this bad all year - there's a lot of inexperience and youth back there. I expected them to start slowly and struggle a bit. Maybe not quite as bad as what we saw Sunday - but they were probably going to struggle.

There's talent back there. They'll get better.

Edge rush is where we just have little to nothing. That should be every single person's answer right now to this question. We just don't have the horses there and we're going to have a really hard time trusting many guys in secondary on an island right now - so Bettcher is going to have a heck of a time trying to find ways to generate pressure.
A new Coach or Offensive Play Caller  
Rudy5757 : 9/11/2019 9:24 am : link
The lack of use of our best player in a divisional game was the worst part of Sunday. He was on the field but we under utilized him, he is a threat to score any play. He was getting large chunks in the run game and should have been leaned on until he was stopped.

I agree on edge rusher but give it some time, Dallas has a great OL and our DC didn't exactly have creativity when rushing Dak.

Overall on O and D it was a poorly coached game. Way too many questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Our D was a mistake waiting to happen. Even if we rushed the passer there were guys open everywhere.
It's still Edge  
JonC : 9/11/2019 9:25 am : link
they could use two starting caliber OLBs.
Head Coach  
Mr. Bungle : 9/11/2019 9:29 am : link
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This is going to sound way to simple and probably is....  
GiantBlue : 9/11/2019 9:41 am : link
but after watching the Saints-Texans on Monday Night....it dawned on me that while we have made improvements and our D really needs to improve a whole lot more.....we don't have that one intangible that could be a real difference maker.

A QB that puts the team on his back and wills his team to victory. I watched Brees basically overcome a great deal to make play after play to put his team in a position to win....to stay in the game when Houston was scoring TD's and to get Lutz in position to kick the FG.

Same with Houston. Deshaun Watson did everything to put his team on his back to get the victory and if not for a 58 yard kick, would have done it in an angry, loud stadium against the great Drew Brees.

Eli is okay....nice padded stats with the Cowboys mainly in prevent but eh.....he is not putting this team on his back to do whatever is necessary to win the game.

Will Jones? I don't know. It is a special power. Eli had it in the SB's and playoffs.....but I don't see it anymore. I see a guy wanting to play out his contract and get another one.
a win at home  
V.I.G. : 9/11/2019 9:52 am : link
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Based on 1 game (which is folly in itself)  
mavric : 9/11/2019 9:54 am : link
I have to agree that we need a high octane edge rusher - probably through free agency as a healthy veteran who is not in the twilight of his career would be most impactful. Hard to get - will cost much dollas

I think the backend of the defense will grow and become a strong point. The guys just need experience under their belt. I do think a high end safety is needed.

After that, I really want the Giants to continue to develop the o-line and get some depth behind the tackles. I have faith in the middle three, but worry if one of the ends go down
RE: No need to ask every week it will be the same  
Diver_Down : 9/11/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14571361 larryflower37 said:
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Anyone to rush the QB.
They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.


I disagree. They did address it though not adequately. They gave a below market prove-it deal to Golden who is 2 years removed from his ACL. A guy who is familiar with Bettcher's system and had proven production under it.

They also have expectations that Carter will take the next step. Young, talented, healthy and in his 2nd year, he should be expected to produce.

X-Man is the next man in the pipeline. Expectations won't be high, but he isn't some late round lottery pick. There should be some expectation that he shows he belongs.

BJ Hill also set the rookie sack record at 5.5. Certainly, it is expected that he builds on the production.

We certainly need a stud pass rusher. And while OV was the sack leader last year, let's not get confused that we lost some elite talent. The good news is that we'll be in position next draft to pick a stud or spend in FA (Yannick, please!).
We may learn that our current DB's (aside from Jack Rabbit)  
GeofromNJ : 9/11/2019 9:56 am : link
are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs.
RE: We may learn that our current DB's (aside from Jack Rabbit)  
arcarsenal : 9/11/2019 9:59 am : link
In comment 14571420 GeofromNJ said:
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are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs.


I don't think speed is the issue. Corey Ballentine especially will not have this problem when he gets more PT. Nor will Baker when he gets more experience.

It's not the track speed, it's the game speed.
The defense looked totally unprepared  
Steve in ATL : 9/11/2019 10:01 am : link
so it difficult to get a clear read. Coaches need to do a much better job of getting players ready to play.

ER
Pass covering LB
Free Safety
Experience for the many young players
Dynamic edge guy is needed  
Dankbeerman : 9/11/2019 10:02 am : link
Carter and Ximines have upside enough to cover on side but we need a no doubt about it stud on the other side.

Aslo an everydown ILB and OT.

LB  
Greg from LI : 9/11/2019 10:12 am : link
You can't run a 3-4 effectively if your LBs suck.
RE: It's still Edge  
AcidTest : 9/11/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14571373 JonC said:
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they could use two starting caliber OLBs.


Agreed.
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Toth029 : 9/11/2019 10:28 am : link
Edge but ILB is so crucial in this scheme too.

Safety is too. He had Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu balling out in the Cardinals defense. Where are those cover skills now?
2 LB  
NikkiMac : 9/11/2019 11:06 am : link
And FS WR OT DL CB next years draft
Wr who can separate  
Bill L : 9/11/2019 11:18 am : link
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RE: Pretty much the same as last year in terms of the D  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/11/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14571364 ChicagoMarty said:
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1. ER
2. Pass covering LB
3. Safeties who can cover
4. Cb's who can cover

I'll look for a textbook $backer, like a Buchanon or Landon Collins.
RE: Wr who can separate  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/11/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14571568 Bill L said:
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I wonder why our WRs can't widely separate like Edelman, Thielin, Diggs, Allen... with their crazy body movement and route running. Even obj really didn't do it. Forget his name who said Cruz was the hardest receiver to cover with his basketball moves.
We need 2 edge rushers  
adambear : 9/11/2019 11:54 am : link
Not just 1.

And we need someone at least as competent as Jackrabbit in the secondary. Or we're going nowhere.
The secondary's best friend  
gmenatlarge : 9/11/2019 12:51 pm : link
a stinking pass rush, so ER...ER...ER!!
RE: RE: Wr who can separate  
HomerJones45 : 9/11/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14571607 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In comment 14571568 Bill L said:


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I wonder why our WRs can't widely separate like Edelman, Thielin, Diggs, Allen... with their crazy body movement and route running. Even obj really didn't do it. Forget his name who said Cruz was the hardest receiver to cover with his basketball moves.
they all suck, thatís why. OBJ was doubled and tripled. Cruz played with Nicks and Manningham- you couldnít double all of them and you ďcanít cover no option routes all day.Ē
Julian Love  
MotownGIANTS : 9/11/2019 1:07 pm : link
@ FS has to at least get some heavy reps in practice ... If Bethea shits the bed again make the change ... at least one guy might get better with experience
A defensive coordinator  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2019 2:03 pm : link
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RE: RE: We may learn that our current DB's (aside from Jack Rabbit)  
GeofromNJ : 9/11/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14571427 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14571420 GeofromNJ said:


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are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs.



I don't think speed is the issue. Corey Ballentine especially will not have this problem when he gets more PT. Nor will Baker when he gets more experience.

It's not the track speed, it's the game speed.

If it's primarily game speed, I look forward to watching the young DBs improve as the season moves along.
Its been what it has for at least the last 4 years  
Dinger : 9/11/2019 2:07 pm : link
Someone who can consistently pressure the QB or who attracts so much attention that someone else on the line can. This was my biggest disappointment on draft day when Jones name was announced. It was a little bit of a shock, as I don't pretend to know who the Giants will take, but when they had a couple of options at an edge rusher and they went QB. Kinda said 'we're gearing up for the future'. I'm ok with the Jones pick and it took me a day or two to understand where they were with it, but if you don't put pressure on the QB your team will not succeed. They brought in Vernon and he was average. We had JPP and he was above average when he wanted to be (and before he blew his hand off). Really we havent had a force there since Osi?
'Giants biggest need? After Week 1'  
Torrag : 9/11/2019 2:09 pm : link
Improved defensive coaching and communication. Betcher has to start proving his reputation by quickly getting improved performance the next several games. His defense has been abysmal since his hire. No more excuses.
RE: 'Giants biggest need? After Week 1'  
Diver_Down : 9/11/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14571812 Torrag said:
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Improved defensive coaching and communication. Betcher has to start proving his reputation by quickly getting improved performance the next several games. His defense has been abysmal since his hire. No more excuses.


This 100%. He has no more excuses. These are all Bettcher Boys. While ultimately the performance is up to the individual players, the defense as a whole is all his. Bettcher should be on the hot seat. The end of each week shouldn't result in the opponent being voted offensive player of the week.
New Defensive Coordinator  
x meadowlander : 9/11/2019 2:43 pm : link
Guys being slow or getting beat is one thing.

Sunday was inexcusable.
I'd say  
santacruzom : 9/11/2019 6:12 pm : link
a new coach, though I'm not actually basing that merely on week 1.
Another hand of god type player  
Jimmy Googs : 9/11/2019 6:16 pm : link
for defense...
Coaches did not have anyway to prepare for Cowboy  
joe48 : 9/11/2019 8:33 pm : link
Kellen Moore new offense.
RE: Coaches did not have anyway to prepare for Cowboy  
gmenatlarge : 9/11/2019 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14572151 joe48 said:
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Kellen Moore new offense.


Yeah, the Cowboys ran that exotic drop back and hit the guy open by 10 yards offense,
RE: RE: Coaches did not have anyway to prepare for Cowboy  
Zeke's Alibi : 9/11/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14572161 gmenatlarge said:
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Kellen Moore new offense.



Yeah, the Cowboys ran that exotic drop back and hit the guy open by 10 yards offense,


They were clearly confused on defense, like all preason, and when you are going against an offense that they have never seen before it looks exponentially worse. Personally, I am not hopeful, but I'm withholding judgement till Week 2.
I want a sideline to sideline mean SOB LB  
djm : 9/11/2019 9:21 pm : link
Need that badly.

But really, just give me a great defensive player anywhere on D and Iíll take it.
I'd settle for a play making QB  
xman : 9/11/2019 10:57 pm : link
who can control the clock and make drives that keep the our D rested and off the field
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christian : 9/11/2019 11:10 pm : link
It will be quite disappointing if both Ximines and Carter don't materialize into good players.

If high 3rd round picks don't pan out, that starts to feel like the old regime.
Communication and knowledge of schemes  
justafan : 9/11/2019 11:35 pm : link
particularly in the secondary. Without that, they won't win a game this year.
A win !  
Bluesbreaker : 9/12/2019 12:59 am : link
Free safety Right tackle left tackle WR
tackling machine LB DE go back to the 4-3 defense !
RE: I want a sideline to sideline mean SOB LB  
gmenatlarge : 9/12/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14572186 djm said:
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Need that badly.

But really, just give me a great defensive player anywhere on D and Iíll take it.


+1 in desperate need of a playmaker on the defense preferably up front!
So again  
santacruzom : 2:06 pm : link
Barkley will only finish with 15 or so touches because the game just made it that way, after a brilliant start. Shurmur will act like the 2nd offensive possession with us up 7-0 never happened.
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