Giants biggest need? After Week 1

I know the DB's struggled, but they're a young group just trying to get their feet wet. If Bethea continues to struggle, I hope they try Love at FS.

My 2nd would be LB, we need a sideline-to-sideline guy in the worst way.

Anyone to rush the QB.
They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.

1. ER
2. Pass covering LB
3. Safeties who can cover
4. Cb's who can cover

In comment 14571361 larryflower37 said:

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Anyone to rush the QB. They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.

Not every week after week 4, 8, then last game

The secondary won't look this bad all year - there's a lot of inexperience and youth back there. I expected them to start slowly and struggle a bit. Maybe not quite as bad as what we saw Sunday - but they were probably going to struggle.

There's talent back there. They'll get better.

Edge rush is where we just have little to nothing. That should be every single person's answer right now to this question. We just don't have the horses there and we're going to have a really hard time trusting many guys in secondary on an island right now - so Bettcher is going to have a heck of a time trying to find ways to generate pressure.

The lack of use of our best player in a divisional game was the worst part of Sunday. He was on the field but we under utilized him, he is a threat to score any play. He was getting large chunks in the run game and should have been leaned on until he was stopped.

I agree on edge rusher but give it some time, Dallas has a great OL and our DC didn't exactly have creativity when rushing Dak.

Overall on O and D it was a poorly coached game. Way too many questionable calls on both sides of the ball. Our D was a mistake waiting to happen. Even if we rushed the passer there were guys open everywhere.

they could use two starting caliber OLBs.

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but after watching the Saints-Texans on Monday Night....it dawned on me that while we have made improvements and our D really needs to improve a whole lot more.....we don't have that one intangible that could be a real difference maker.

A QB that puts the team on his back and wills his team to victory. I watched Brees basically overcome a great deal to make play after play to put his team in a position to win....to stay in the game when Houston was scoring TD's and to get Lutz in position to kick the FG.

Same with Houston. Deshaun Watson did everything to put his team on his back to get the victory and if not for a 58 yard kick, would have done it in an angry, loud stadium against the great Drew Brees.

Eli is okay....nice padded stats with the Cowboys mainly in prevent but eh.....he is not putting this team on his back to do whatever is necessary to win the game.

Will Jones? I don't know. It is a special power. Eli had it in the SB's and playoffs.....but I don't see it anymore. I see a guy wanting to play out his contract and get another one.

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I have to agree that we need a high octane edge rusher - probably through free agency as a healthy veteran who is not in the twilight of his career would be most impactful. Hard to get - will cost much dollas

I think the backend of the defense will grow and become a strong point. The guys just need experience under their belt. I do think a high end safety is needed.

After that, I really want the Giants to continue to develop the o-line and get some depth behind the tackles. I have faith in the middle three, but worry if one of the ends go down

In comment 14571361 larryflower37 said:

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Anyone to rush the QB. They failed to address this in the off-season and it will kill them all year.

I disagree. They did address it though not adequately. They gave a below market prove-it deal to Golden who is 2 years removed from his ACL. A guy who is familiar with Bettcher's system and had proven production under it.

They also have expectations that Carter will take the next step. Young, talented, healthy and in his 2nd year, he should be expected to produce.

X-Man is the next man in the pipeline. Expectations won't be high, but he isn't some late round lottery pick. There should be some expectation that he shows he belongs.

BJ Hill also set the rookie sack record at 5.5. Certainly, it is expected that he builds on the production.

We certainly need a stud pass rusher. And while OV was the sack leader last year, let's not get confused that we lost some elite talent. The good news is that we'll be in position next draft to pick a stud or spend in FA (Yannick, please!).

are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs.

In comment 14571420 GeofromNJ said:

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are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs.

I don't think speed is the issue. Corey Ballentine especially will not have this problem when he gets more PT. Nor will Baker when he gets more experience.

It's not the track speed, it's the game speed.

so it difficult to get a clear read. Coaches need to do a much better job of getting players ready to play.

ER
Pass covering LB
Free Safety
Experience for the many young players

Carter and Ximines have upside enough to cover on side but we need a no doubt about it stud on the other side.

Aslo an everydown ILB and OT.

You can't run a 3-4 effectively if your LBs suck.

In comment 14571373 JonC said:

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they could use two starting caliber OLBs.

Agreed.

Edge but ILB is so crucial in this scheme too.

Safety is too. He had Tony Jefferson and Tyrann Mathieu balling out in the Cardinals defense. Where are those cover skills now?

And FS WR OT DL CB next years draft

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In comment 14571364 ChicagoMarty said:

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1. ER 2. Pass covering LB 3. Safeties who can cover 4. Cb's who can cover

I'll look for a textbook $backer, like a Buchanon or Landon Collins.

In comment 14571568 Bill L said:

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I wonder why our WRs can't widely separate like Edelman, Thielin, Diggs, Allen... with their crazy body movement and route running. Even obj really didn't do it. Forget his name who said Cruz was the hardest receiver to cover with his basketball moves.

Not just 1.

And we need someone at least as competent as Jackrabbit in the secondary. Or we're going nowhere.

a stinking pass rush, so ER...ER...ER!!

In comment 14571607 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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In comment 14571568 Bill L said: Quote: . I wonder why our WRs can't widely separate like Edelman, Thielin, Diggs, Allen... with their crazy body movement and route running. Even obj really didn't do it. Forget his name who said Cruz was the hardest receiver to cover with his basketball moves.

they all suck, that’s why. OBJ was doubled and tripled. Cruz played with Nicks and Manningham- you couldn’t double all of them and you “can’t cover no option routes all day.”

@ FS has to at least get some heavy reps in practice ... If Bethea shits the bed again make the change ... at least one guy might get better with experience

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In comment 14571427 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 14571420 GeofromNJ said: Quote: are not fast enough to cover most receivers. If so, we have too glaring needs. ERs and DBs. I don't think speed is the issue. Corey Ballentine especially will not have this problem when he gets more PT. Nor will Baker when he gets more experience. It's not the track speed, it's the game speed.

If it's primarily game speed, I look forward to watching the young DBs improve as the season moves along.

Someone who can consistently pressure the QB or who attracts so much attention that someone else on the line can. This was my biggest disappointment on draft day when Jones name was announced. It was a little bit of a shock, as I don't pretend to know who the Giants will take, but when they had a couple of options at an edge rusher and they went QB. Kinda said 'we're gearing up for the future'. I'm ok with the Jones pick and it took me a day or two to understand where they were with it, but if you don't put pressure on the QB your team will not succeed. They brought in Vernon and he was average. We had JPP and he was above average when he wanted to be (and before he blew his hand off). Really we havent had a force there since Osi?

Improved defensive coaching and communication. Betcher has to start proving his reputation by quickly getting improved performance the next several games. His defense has been abysmal since his hire. No more excuses.

In comment 14571812 Torrag said:

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Improved defensive coaching and communication. Betcher has to start proving his reputation by quickly getting improved performance the next several games. His defense has been abysmal since his hire. No more excuses.

This 100%. He has no more excuses. These are all Bettcher Boys. While ultimately the performance is up to the individual players, the defense as a whole is all his. Bettcher should be on the hot seat. The end of each week shouldn't result in the opponent being voted offensive player of the week.

Guys being slow or getting beat is one thing.

Sunday was inexcusable.

a new coach, though I'm not actually basing that merely on week 1.

for defense...

Kellen Moore new offense.

In comment 14572151 joe48 said:

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Kellen Moore new offense.

Yeah, the Cowboys ran that exotic drop back and hit the guy open by 10 yards offense,

In comment 14572161 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 14572151 joe48 said: Quote: Kellen Moore new offense. Yeah, the Cowboys ran that exotic drop back and hit the guy open by 10 yards offense,

They were clearly confused on defense, like all preason, and when you are going against an offense that they have never seen before it looks exponentially worse. Personally, I am not hopeful, but I'm withholding judgement till Week 2.

Need that badly.

But really, just give me a great defensive player anywhere on D and I’ll take it.

who can control the clock and make drives that keep the our D rested and off the field

It will be quite disappointing if both Ximines and Carter don't materialize into good players.

If high 3rd round picks don't pan out, that starts to feel like the old regime.

particularly in the secondary. Without that, they won't win a game this year.

Free safety Right tackle left tackle WR
tackling machine LB DE go back to the 4-3 defense !

In comment 14572186 djm said:

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Need that badly. But really, just give me a great defensive player anywhere on D and I’ll take it.

+1 in desperate need of a playmaker on the defense preferably up front!

Barkley will only finish with 15 or so touches because the game just made it that way, after a brilliant start. Shurmur will act like the 2nd offensive possession with us up 7-0 never happened.