Kareem Martin to IR

Love, Chandler and Ballentine as well!

Martin accomplished very little since acquired.

This is a big opportunity for Ximines and Skipper. They will be be forced to contribute on defense. Let us hope that the Giants have found a couple of building blocks.

In comment 14571893 Torrag said:

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Martin accomplished very little since acquired.

Yeah Kareem Martin wasnt expected to do a whole lot. We didn't give him a boat load of money. And he wasnt J.T. Thomas bad.

Can't be any worse than Martin

$7.5M in guarantees, and the Giants got 1.5 sacks out of him through the first two years?

Sweet.

In comment 14571893 Torrag said:

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Martin accomplished very little since acquired.

Agree. And of the Arizona guys Bettcher brought in last year, we hung onto him but we let Mauro walk...meanwhile Mauro was hell on wheels against Denver on MNF.

In comment 14571893 Torrag said:

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Martin accomplished very little since acquired.

FIFY. Believe it or not, 2018 was Martin's best season by far.

In comment 14571905 Mike from Ohio said:

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$7.5M in guarantees, and the Giants got 1.5 sacks out of him through the first two years? Sweet.

I see three year 15 mil.

But still 10 mil for 1.5 sacks is no bueno

and not part of the long term solution. Now that the team has selected Eli's successor, maybe they can finally focus on legitimate ERs in the 2020 draft.

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bettcher brought in done anything of note?

In comment 14571917 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14571905 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: $7.5M in guarantees, and the Giants got 1.5 sacks out of him through the first two years? Sweet. I see three year 15 mil. But still 10 mil for 1.5 sacks is no bueno

I just googled it so I trust your numbers over what Wikipedia told me.

In comment 14571889 Chris684 said:

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Love, Chandler and Ballentine as well!

This sounds like ABC's thursday night prime time line up fron the 70s

Tune in for the adventures of X-Man and the Skipper followed by ABC's newest legal drama; Love, Chandler and Ballentine

just look at the contract and say they overpaid. Of course they overpaid. They did so for Vernon, Jack Rabbit, Solder and a few others. It is what the market was at the time and what the teams need was at the time as well as what cap room they had as well as who else was available at the time. I mean JJ is the ONLY one who was worth it and maybe we underpaid for him. It sucks that it didn't work out as well as we'd have liked with him but as was stated above you cant blame martin for getting as much as he could. And if they hadnt spent his money you'd be cursing the Giants as cheap...

and Lovey

In comment 14571926 twostepgiants said:

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bettcher brought in done anything of note?

Sure didn't see anything promising out of Bethea in the secondary against Dallas. Thought he was here for 'leadership on the back end' and 'to help guys get lined up.'

In comment 14571926 twostepgiants said:

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bettcher brought in done anything of note?

No.

Bettcher has pretty much lost me. If he turns it around I will change my mind, but I haven't liked what I've seen so far. He had the NFC Pro Bowl team with the Cards and he's looking like Barry Switzer so far.

One of the many ridiculous signings by this GM.

More than a stop gap guy
He may be a great guy but he is horrible
DG not a good early record on free agents
Draft different story
Money obviously an issue on FA

In comment 14571978 greek13 said:

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More than a stop gap guy He may be a great guy but he is horrible DG not a good early record on free agents Draft different story Money obviously an issue on FA

Jury still out on draft, SB great, Hernandez good to very good, still waiting on the rest.

Let's hope Skipper is an NFL talent, I guess we will find out. Another guy you want to root for though.

As for Martin, he was a JAG. I think a lot of the Arizona guys performed better in AZ because they had some studs and they were able to have success because of it. We have no studs yet, some of the young guys may turn out to be but no one on our D scares you. Until someone steps up teams can attack us any way they want. We will probably be able to stop the run though, its a good thing its a running league...lol.

by subtraction

If we stink this year if for no other reason than for convincing DG to get his men from Arizona. As far as I could tell, they all stink.

Martin
Pierre
Golden?
Bethea
Anyone else?

And because we picked up,these bums we have gotten rid of some pretty good players who are thriving elsewhere....Mauro and Kennard come to mind.

In comment 14571978 greek13 said:

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More than a stop gap guy He may be a great guy but he is horrible DG not a good early record on free agents Draft different story Money obviously an issue on FA

Agreed, DG has been doing well in the draft but his FA acquisitions are lacking (Bethea, Martin, Omameh, Stewart). Solder you could say was an overpay

In comment 14571996 5BowlsSoon said:

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If we stink this year if for no other reason than for convincing DG to get his men from Arizona. As far as I could tell, they all stink. Martin Pierre Golden? Bethea Anyone else? And because we picked up,these bums we have gotten rid of some pretty good players who are thriving elsewhere....Mauro and Kennard come to mind.

Mauro has 3 career sacks. he played well on Monday but he really hasn't done anything in the NFL. He is a marginal starter at best. Plus he was suspended last year for 4 games for PEDs. He wasnt going to improve the pass rush.

I had Professor X starting over Martin at LOLB all this time in Madden. Hes a good fit there, his good hands should let him be versatile and set the edge and get some pass rush.

In comment 14571987 gmenatlarge said:

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In comment 14571978 greek13 said: Quote: More than a stop gap guy He may be a great guy but he is horrible DG not a good early record on free agents Draft different story Money obviously an issue on FA Jury still out on draft, SB great, Hernandez good to very good, still waiting on the rest.

Lauletta was tearing up preseason!

In comment 14571996 5BowlsSoon said:

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If we stink this year if for no other reason than for convincing DG to get his men from Arizona. As far as I could tell, they all stink. Martin Pierre Golden? Bethea Anyone else? And because we picked up,these bums we have gotten rid of some pretty good players who are thriving elsewhere....Mauro and Kennard come to mind.

Mauro WAS a Bettcher/Cards guy when we signed him

waste of a signing.

Obviously was trusted to bring some people in - zero results so far-
His butt has to on the line this season

Personally I hate the 3/4
But I’m
Watching so far I still
Hate it - even more

In comment 14572045 greek13 said:

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Obviously was trusted to bring some people in - zero results so far- His butt has to on the line this season Personally I hate the 3/4 But I’m Watching so far I still Hate it - even more

Not like Giants had a rush with JPP and Vernon in 2017. And they were paid like QB's.

That’s going to force the Giants to play more talented, possibly better younger players??! Maybe even sign a better experienced Vet?? Can’t do that... smh

In comment 14572056 Toth029 said:

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In comment 14572045 greek13 said: Quote: Obviously was trusted to bring some people in - zero results so far- His butt has to on the line this season Personally I hate the 3/4 But I’m Watching so far I still Hate it - even more Not like Giants had a rush with JPP and Vernon in 2017. And they were paid like QB's.

Getting rid of them was fine. It's how they replaced them that's incredibly mediocre.

BBI already gave him the participation trophy, can’t ask for it back now.

More like a 4-2-5

decent player - but they need a serious pass rusher. he's not that

Davey Getts better drop this bum

Did rather well in college when he was healthy. He progressed from Monroe College for two years and then moved to Toledo. He has had a number of TFLs and sacks and even played a bit of DE.

Here's hoping he can be coached up and become an asset for the Giants.
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It's tough to understand why after being demoted to a part time player, management chose to retain Martin at nearly a 6M price tag.

I know it’s still early, but has this guy made one good free agent signing?

In comment 14571997 TommyWiseau said:

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In comment 14571978 greek13 said: Quote: More than a stop gap guy He may be a great guy but he is horrible DG not a good early record on free agents Draft different story Money obviously an issue on FA Agreed, DG has been doing well in the draft but his FA acquisitions are lacking (Bethea, Martin, Omameh, Stewart). Solder you could say was an overpay

I think one thing I’d say about FA, Solder is the only one I can think of that was a “go out and get him” kind of guy. One where we might have competed with other teams to sign. And even he was our backup plan to Norwood iirc. All the rest of the FA’s were guys we signed who weren’t wanted or who weren’t good enough for the previous teams to want to retain.

IOW, nobody was Bryce Harper type of FA, which is what I think most of us think about when we think FA. What we did was sign flotsam who were...well, free.

would hit though.

I don't think there has been a single one that we can say was a great or even good addition relative to cost. No pleasant surprises, no diamonds in the rough.

Also UDFA's havent come in to play. Reese had his Cruz, Hynoski, Herz and a few others during his time.

Our record in last 33 games right? Who is worse? Arizona ?Nothing else matters - we need more players / Martin is not part of the future
Free up more money
Who is our pro player personnel guy - failing class right now

Many fans, feel Martin was of limited to neglible value. Effective against the run ineffective pass rusher. Coaching staff loved him. Now the Giants have to play different players. One a rookie, one a guy just cut.

Hopefully as other posters have said this will result into a more effective pass rush and not a bunch of inexperienced players running around not knowing what to do

Is beyound shot hoping to squeeze one more season out of
him is a fail . Teams are still making moves I see no
reason to keep trotting him out there . I have no idea
his cap and contract situation . Peppers is not even
close to Collins I mean hope for some improvement but
damn we lack playmakers across the defense .

In comment 14572201 ron mexico said:

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would hit though. I don't think there has been a single one that we can say was a great or even good addition relative to cost. No pleasant surprises, no diamonds in the rough. Also UDFA's havent come in to play. Reese had his Cruz, Hynoski, Herz and a few others during his time.

Cody Latimer was a decent bargain bin signing in 2018 but thats about it. Jury is still out on his 2019 signings (Golden Tate, Marcus Golden, Bethea). One move I really love is the Zeitler move. He is a moose

In comment 14571932 ron mexico said:

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In comment 14571889 Chris684 said: Quote: Love, Chandler and Ballentine as well! This sounds like ABC's thursday night prime time line up fron the 70s Tune in for the adventures of X-Man and the Skipper followed by ABC's newest legal drama; Love, Chandler and Ballentine

pretty funny, you could also have BJ and the Man...